I have a question to ask the religious experts here.
I have a hindu friend. He is the kindest and most nicest person I have ever met. Not a single person has ever said a bad thing about him nor has he sad a bad thing about anyone. He is obedient to his parents. Never did anything sinful.
But he is a Hindu.
Will he go to Hell when he dies because he is non-muslim, even though he is so kind hearted?
Please explain
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Quran 4:48
*Lo! Allah forgiveth not that a partner should be ascribed unto Him. He forgiveth (all) save that to whom He will. Whoso ascribeth partners to Allah, he hath indeed invented a tremendous sin. *
and the good deeds of such people go waste as the verse tells us....
Quran 18:105
*Those are they who disbelieve in the revelations of their Lord and in the meeting with Him. Therefor their works are vain, and on the Day of Resurrection We assign no weight to them. *
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Quran 4:48 *Lo! Allah forgiveth not that a partner should be ascribed unto Him. He forgiveth (all) save that to whom He will. Whoso ascribeth partners to Allah, he hath indeed invented a tremendous sin. *
and the good deeds of such people go waste as the verse tells us.... Quran 18:105 *Those are they who disbelieve in the revelations of their Lord and in the meeting with Him. Therefor their works are vain, and on the Day of Resurrection We assign no weight to them. *
Obviously ^ this is absolutely wrong if you by these quotes infer that the good person's good deeds will be for naught.
Good deeds result in good karma and depending upon where this person is in the overall karmic cycle of his atma (soul) he will reap the just rewards of his deeds.
So what will happen i sthat when his atma has reached a stage by sufficent good thoughts and deeds it would merge with the brahman. If not, it will get to the next higher strata of karmic cycle on its way to that stage.
Think of it as the multi-level airline rewards program. You fly enough to become a silver member; as a silver member you get more credits per flight till you make gold; as a gold member the bonus miles are even biger multiplier and so on....
Idea being, each good deed makes the next good deed easier and more rewarding to the soul.
BTW you don't have to await the next karmic cycle to see proof for this.
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yes but if u look at it by the approach of a balance:
you'll have all the kinda things he did do in this life on one side of the scale
and a hugely major "sin" on the other side of the scale, the sin of ascribing partners to Allah. That alone will overweigh all the good that he did. so it may go to waste in that sense, not that they just won't be accounted for at all.
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on this earth we cant say anything untill his last breath has been taken then only God can decide....
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yes but if u look at it by the approach of a balance:
you'll have all the kinda things he did do in this life on one side of the scale and a hugely major "sin" on the other side of the scale, the sin of ascribing partners to Allah. That alone will overweigh all the good that he did. so it may go to waste in that sense, not that they just won't be accounted for at all.
Not at all...why would he ascribe partners to Allah? You may think he is and that would be your fault, not his.
When I pray to Lord Vishnu I am not praying to anybody but Sri Vishnu.
If you think Sri Vishnu and Allah are distinct Gods, then him praying to Sri Vishnu does not make the two partners. It is like you like two types of sweets but by consuming one, there is no + or - to the other.
If you think that Sri Vishnu and Allah are simply different names for the same universal God, then again it is unity and there cannot be a partnership of one!
Finally if you believe Sri Vishnu is not a god and only Allah is (which is what I suspect many muslims believe. though they are wrong) then again where is the partnership created?
In conclusion, under no scenario can a good person committing good deeds can not reap the good rewards of his life.
In fact by Sanathana Dharma, the effects of good thoughts and deeds are even more powerful than God! By some interpretations they ARE God! Such is the beauty of Dharma!
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yea i know...but isn't the Hindu faith based on different dieties...?
and when you're praying to Sri Vishnu...who exactly are u praying to? I mean names are not the issue here...It's there in the Quran that all good names are for Allah.
It's the faith...who do you submit to? an idol....or a supreme being!
Please don't get offended, i have immense respect for everyone.
I'm just saying...prostrating to or asking something of an idol is like ascribing partners with Allah. Because an idol is a creation of man. If its not the idol one worships, then who exactly?.....a supreme being? then why the need for idol...
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An idol is not a necessity for any Hindu to pray to. It is just another form of prayer, something to focus on...many people don't pray ti idols yet pray to the same God that others pray to through the idol.
Spiritual inquiry leading to awareness is considered more important than prayers to God.
PS: How is somebody prostrating before a murthy of Sri Krishna make Allah His partner? The person prostrating is not even thinking about anything else or anyone else but Sri Krishna....so the question of partnership does not occur. On the contrary people who think these are different are actually creating in THEIR minds a COMPETITION between Allah and Sri Krishna, which as you know is the OPPOSITE of partnership. And therefore since there is opposite of partnership how will it refuse the rewards of the good deeds?
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if u say so :)
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if u say so :)
No problem.
Also please take a look at the "PS:" I added to my earlier post since I had an after thought
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I know what you're saying....trust me i do!
But prostrating before an idol, in itself, is an issue. Because it signifies submission to that before which you are postrating. I for a fact don't think of the whole thing as a competition, not a single bit because to me the supreme being (Allah) has no competition, all is under him.
For any muslim, submission means to humble yourself, connect with Allah almighty, through faith and not through a handmade artifect that we hope would give us a sort of attachment to the Lord Almighty.
To make offerings to an idol, to ask an idol of something/anything is like ascribing partners with Allah (SWT) because what you're saying basically is that, this idol has a spirit to it, and it is this spirit that fulfills your wishes or duaas as we'd say. However, it is Allah that fulfills man kind's requests because we're all his creation. Some obey him, some dont. And the record of all that's done will be presented before us on the day of judgement.
The point i'm making here is that worship of idol, no matter what the mentality behind it is shirk (joining partners with Allah, the one Alone worthy of worship). and this worship of Idols....has been coming alone from the earliest of days of mankind....i'd explain it all but...it defeats the purpose at hand here...
:)
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^ likewise I know what you're trying to say thought obviously it is wrong.
But here the discussion was/is about what the thread starter asked in response of which two verses were quoted by someone from Quran and I pointed out that those the actions of the 'good person' was not imputing any partnership.
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I have a question to ask the religious experts here.
I have a hindu friend. He is the kindest and most nicest person I have ever met. Not a single person has ever said a bad thing about him nor has he sad a bad thing about anyone. He is obedient to his parents. Never did anything sinful.
But he is a Hindu.
Will he go to Hell when he dies because he is non-muslim, even though he is so kind hearted?
Please explain
simple thing he will go to his swarg if he is gud and nark if he is bad as ascribed in hindu religion.no muslim jannat no jahannumor christian heaven helll for him.if we can divide earth as christian/hindu /musim then y not swarg/nark,heaven/hell and jannat/jahannum.each of seprate religion's after death place saying entry restricted for non-believers of any other religion.
And one logic i cannot understand is if non-believer cant go to muslim jannat then how he can go into the muslim jahannum coz he is more sinner than the muslim residents of jahannum by being a non believer.so only conclusion i can draw is there must be other place for non believers other than the pious islamic jannat/jahannum which r only for believers.
PS:we dont the given life of almighty happily and care about life after death.
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^ likewise I know what you're trying to say thought obviously it is wrong.
But here the discussion was/is about what the thread starter asked in response of which two verses were quoted by someone from Quran and I pointed out that those the actions of the 'good person' was not imputing any partnership.
If you say so :)
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I have a question to ask the religious experts here.
I have a hindu friend. He is the kindest and most nicest person I have ever met. Not a single person has ever said a bad thing about him nor has he sad a bad thing about anyone. He is obedient to his parents. Never did anything sinful.
But he is a Hindu.
Will he go to Hell when he dies because he is non-muslim, even though he is so kind hearted? Please explain
Merc2k ..i know ur a nice and intelligent guy and I never expected you to raise such questions.
I have repeated this many times ...Do you think that god will care whether u call him allah or bhagwan..coz we all are calling him in respect? Do you think it matters to him whether you pray in temple or mosque?
When a child is born do you see any difference between hindu or muslim child? All what matters to him is how you live your life? whether u helped poor,needy or not?
What difference do you see in muslim than other religion? all have to work/eat/breathe to survive.
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Merc2k ..i know ur a nice and intelligent guy and I never expected you to raise such questions. I have repeated this many times ...Do you think that god will care whether u call him allah or bhagwan..coz we all are calling him in respect? Do you think it matters to him whether you pray in temple or mosque? When a child is born do you see any difference between hindu or muslim child? All what matters to him is how you live your life? whether u helped poor,needy or not? What difference do you see in muslim than other religion? all have to work/eat/breathe to survive.
did u ever visit any mosque?
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did u ever visit any mosque?
Yes , I have been to tajul masjid in bhopal. I guess its the biggest mosque in india.
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Yes , I have been to tajul masjid in bhopal. I guess its the biggest mosque in india.
so whats the difference you saw between the mosque and the temple?
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overall karmic cycle of his atma (soul) he will reap the just rewards of his deeds.
Very correct. I share your understanding... the biggest Shirk (setting up partners with God) in this world is to violate the rights of fellow humanbeings for sake of dogmatism and paradigms. People forget that giving into one's desires and being blinded by tradition is also Shirk.
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it's topics like these these that have made question any sort of religion. So basically a guy who has done little wrong in his life but is non-muslim will go straight to hell but a mass murdering muslim will eventually go to heaven. What a bunch of crock.