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that would be unfair...if because of HER comment I got punished
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Queer, Why do you let it bother you? Does it hurt, Hindians (I assume that means Hindu Indians), does it hurt Hinduism, the Hindu god? Did shiva come down and tell you that it hurt him? will he open his third eye and destroy the world? I don't think so.
TNWB: FYI, Hindians don't perceive anyone questioning the veracity of their god as an affront to their God. Their God is a GOD not a child that needs supplication.
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PD, it doesnt. but i hate it when the same person whines and moans when someone does the same to his/her religion. why dish it out when you cant take the same treatment?
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^ well that is why there are asinine rules in Religion forum. It showcases the inferiority complex aptly. It needs to be one way otherwise God will get mad. Apparently he has a hotline to the mods. 
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LOL @ TNWB. Hilarious stuff.
ok coming back to the topic, dont worry queer and phinny, you guys are'nt Gog and Magog. :)
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Sometimes your knowledge (ignorance) amazes me, really! 
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Actually, they will be quite large and well built. Your facts are all wrong, and so are your deductions.
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Hm, I doubt God needs the supplication...more like...humans need it.
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Who Are Gog and Magog (yajuj and Majuj:
Ya’juj (Gog) and Ma’juj (Magog) are derived from ajj or ajij in the forms of yaf’ul and maful and ajij means the flaming of fire. But ajja also means asraa i.e. he walked fast. This is the meaning given in the Lisan al-`Arab. Imam Raghib says that Ya’juj and Ma’juj have been compared to the flaming fire and surging water because of their intense agitation.
Gog and Magog (Ya’juj and Ma’juj) are mentioned twice in the Qur’an. Once they are mentioned in the eighteenth chapter in association with the description of Dajjal. Towards the end of this chapter, a great potentate, Dhu-l-Qarnain, is spoken of as undertaking journeys in different directions to fortify the frontiers of his empire. This potentate is historically proved to be Darius I, the emperor of Persia (cyrus the great). His first journey is spoken of as terminating on the Black Sea:
Until when he reached the setting place of the sun (or the westernmost point), he found it going down into a black sea (18:86.).
Then there is a reference to his eastern journey:
Until when he reached the (land of) the rising sun, he found it rising on a people to whom We had given no shelter from it (18:90.).
Still further there is a reference to his northern journey:
Until when he reached (a place) between the two mountains (18:93.).
The reference here is to the mountains of Armenia and Azarbaijan. In this last northern journey, Dhu-l-Qarnain comes across a people who speak a different language; in other words they do not understand the Persian language. These people appeal to Dhu-l-Qarnain in these words:
O Dhu-l-Qarnain! Gog and Magog do mischief in the land. May we then pay thee tribute on condition that thou raise a barrier between us and them? (18:94.)
Further we are told that Dhu-l-Qarnain actually constructed this wall, and there is mention of iron and copper in this connection, which were used for the gates:
Bring me blocks of iron. At length when he had filled up the space between the two mountain sides, he said, Blow. Till when he had made it (as) fire, he said, Bring me molten brass to pour over it (18:96.).
Immediately after speaking of Gog and Magog fighting each other in verse 102, the account reverts to the subject of Dajjal:
Do those who believe think that they can take My servants to be friends besides Me?
This shows that the Qur’an identifies Dajjal with Gog and Magog. They are given two different names because of their two functions. As for the identity of Gog and Magog, the commentators differ. Ibn Kathir says that they are descendants of Adam, and this view is supported by the hadith in Muslim and Bukhari. According to Ruh al-Ma`ani, they are two tribes from among the descendants of Noah’s son Japheth, of whom the Turks form a part, being so called because they were left (turiku) on the other side of the wall. Moreover, the Qur’an’s own description shows clearly that they are human beings, to ward off whose invasions the wall was constructed.
The second reference to Gog and Magog occurs in
21:96:
Even when Gog and Magog are let loose and they sally forth from every elevated place (21:96.).
Sallying forth from every elevated place evidently means that they will establish their supremacy all over the world. The way the Qur’an speaks of them in both the places shows that a time will come when these people will overpower all the nations of the world. It also appears that they already existed at the time of the revelation of the Book, but that their movements were to remain checked until a certain time, after which they would wield uncontrolled authority in the whole world.
Why Quran Does not Mention Dajjal?
The reason is that the word Dajjal, as shown above, means a “liar” or a “fraud”; and no one, howsoever great a liar and a cheat he may be, likes to be called by this epithet. Gog and Magog, on the other hand, being the names of the people concerned, no one can take exception to this name. In fact, the English people have installed statues of Gog and Magog in front of the Guildhall in London. That is why the Qur’an uses the names Gog and Magog and not the word Dajjal which means a liar. The Books of Hadith, on the other hand, use the word Dajjal, because the name Antichrist (Dajjal), as also the prophecies relating thereto are met with in the older Scriptures. It was felt necessary, accordingly, to explain in what manner these prophecies were to be fulfilled.
Besides, the word Dajjal, indicates only one aspect of the question, viz., the lies and deceptions of these people, whether it be in matters religious or in matters worldly. But apart from this dark side of their character, there are bright sides of it as well. From the worldly point of view, their material prosperity must be regarded as one of their good points. It is in view of this that in hadith, one eye, the worldly eye, of Dajjal has been described as a shining star. The Qur’an also speaks of their skill in manufacture. Thus the epithet Dajjal is only a partial description.
have already shown that the Qur’an while speaking of the Gog and the Magog towards the end of the chapter entitled – the Cave, reverts to the mention of the Christian nations, which shows that it makes no difference between the two. As for the Bible, it says explicitly, as already shown, that the Gog and the Magog are none others than the Russians and other nations of the same land, i.e. Europe.
A common misunderstanding that is prevalent about Gog and Magog as described in the Books of Hadith, is that they are regarded as a peculiar kind of creation, although many hadith make it quite clear that they are human beings just like ourselves:
Verily Gog and Magog are of the progeny of Adam (Kanz al-`Ummal Vol. 7, No. 2158.).
Another hadith says that God will reveal to the Messiah:
Verily I have created some of My servants whom no one can destroy but Myself (Ibid., No. 3021.).
In the same book vol. 7, we have another hadith (No. 3032) in which it is expressly stated that they are of the progeny of Adam. Perhaps the misunderstanding on this score has its origin in a statement in the hadith which says that they will drink up the whole mass of water in the world. The hadith runs as follows:
T
hey will drink the water of the world so much so that when some of them will pass by a stream they will drink all that is in it and leave it dry (Ibid., No. 2157.).
Another hadith says that the advance guards of Gog and Magog will cross the gulf of Tiberius and they will drink the whole mass of water in it (Ibid., No. 3021.). And it is remarkable that in the hadith of Tamim Dari, Dajjal also asks Tamim Dari about the Gulf of Tiberius:
Tell me about the Gulf of Tiberius … Is there any water in it? (Ibid., No. 2027.)
This gulf is situated on the borders of Isreal and much of Israel’s water supply comes from it. And it is also a matter of contention between jordan and Israel for fears that it may be dried out due to over consumption.
This incidentally shows that Dajjal and Gog and Magog mean the same thing. But their drinking up the water means no more than that all provisions of life will be in their control, because water is the source of life. Again, the fact that the prophecies relating to both Dajjal and Gog and Magog occur in connection with the expected Messiah, is a further proof that they are identical. A little reflection will reveal that the respective descriptions of the two express practically the same ideas, only in different words. About both it has been said that their earthly power will reach the climax. They will have control over every kind of provisions of life, and “no one will have power to stand against them”. They will spread over the whole surface of the earth and will be an object of great trial for the Muslims. All these common features of their appearance show that they are one and the same people, and both apply fittingly to the nations of Europe. As a matter of fact, the two names have been adopted to express two different aspects of their appearance. The name Dajjal indicates their acts of deception through provisions of life, and Gog and Magog is to express their political and military power. It should be borne in mind that these prophecies about the predominance of the Christian nations came to be recorded by the Muslims at a time when their own power and supremacy had eclipsed all other powers in the world.
"And then Allah would send Gog and Magog and they would swarm down from every slope. The first of them would pass the lake of Tiberias and drink out of it. And when the last of them would pass, he would say: There was once water there. "
Tiberias , city in northeastern Israel, on the western shore of the Sea of Galilee (Lake Tiberias), located about 209 m (about 686 ft) below sea level. One of the holy cities of Judaism, Tiberias was a center of Jewish learning from its founding in AD19 until the Middle Ages. The city was founded by Herod Antipas, who named it for the emperor Tiberius. After the Roman destruction of the Temple at Jerusalem in AD70, Jewish scholars began to settle in Tiberias, where the highest rabbinical court, the Sanhedrin, convened.
Jordan Times
Wednesday, August 18, 1999
AMMAN ; Israel has accepted a Jordanian request to directly take its water share from the Yarmouk River instead of storing it in Lake Tiberias before pumping it here, a source confirmed on Tuesday.
At the request of Jordan, Israel agreed that only this summer, the Kingdom directly gets the water from the Yarmouk instead of storing it in Tiberias,; Israeli embassy spokesman Roey Gilad told the Jordan Times last night. If Jordan wants this to be carried out every year, the joint water agreements must be changed, and I believe the two countries do not want to do such a thing.;
(tibir´ees) Lake Tiberias , or Lake Kinneret , lake, 64 sq mi (166 sq km), 14 mi (23 km) long, and 3 to 7 mi (4.8-11.3 km) wide, NE Israel; its surface is c.700 ft (210 m) below sea level. The lake, occupying a downwarped basin, is fed and drained by the Jordan River. The Syria border follows part of the eastern shore. Mineral springs, some of them hot, discharge into the lake, giving it a saline character. Israel’s National Water Carrier Project uses the Sea of Galilee as a reservoir for water pumped south, via the National Water Conduit, to the Negev desert for irrigation and to the coastal plain to recharge the overdrawn watertable. However, despite the project, Israel’s water supply in the late 20th cent. was restricted by a drop in the sea level due to seasonal drought. In the time of Christ there was a flourishing fishing industry in the lake; some fishing is still carried on. In the Old Testament the Sea of Galilee was called the Sea of Chinnereth or Chinneroth. In the New Testament it is named variously from nearby geographical featuresGalilee, Gennesaret, or Tiberias.
Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition, Copyright © 2003.
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** my own views**, just occurred to me today while reading surah kahf, that perhaps yajooj majooj r not things of the past and neither is zulqarnain a king of the ancient times....
perhaps they r both to come in the future and what is narrated to us about them will take place in a future....
yajooj majooj will be released, will cause fasaad in the land, then a king called zulqarnain will block them by building a lead-enforced wall....
why i think so????
other place in the Quran it mentions that yajooj majooj will appear at the end of times and only after they r controlled will the qayamat come....
in surah kahf, it says exactly after mentioning that zulqarnain puts them behind a wall "On that day We shall leave them to surge like waves on one another: the trumpet will be blown, and We shall collect them all together. " (which is ofcourse the announcement of the coming of qayamat).....
wallahu aalam bissawab
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Not the whole of the world has been explored (maybe mapped) and satellites and planes don’t show something that is hidden behind a barrier (forest, mountains etc) does it? 
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Hello ? ?
Where did all the forum magogs go? :D
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so who will be yajjoj and majjooj? any theories or references? between two mountains could be anywhere.
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if we really "knew" the location of Yajooj and Majooj, wouldn't we have nuked that place already? :) It will remain mystery, we will keep guessing about such things, only Allah swt knows and He will reveal it when the time comes :).
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yes and when Allah will destroy them believers will use their weapons as fuel for many years(nukes???)
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According to my research by Holy Quran, Gog & Magog is not a creature but water which is frozen on the mountains. Gog (Joj) Magog (Majoj) is taken from Jajan Majooja means surrounding water, storming water....which surrounds ships. Mauj means wave of water.
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^ could you please explain more ......it is the first time i have heard anything like this
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One thing I’ve always wondered is how much of the hadith on Gog and Magog are allegorical rather than literal.
For example, Islamic sources refer to the Gog and Magog using arrows.
"They will carry on digging and come out against the people. They will drink all the water, and find the hole exactly as they left it, and the people will entrench themselves in their fortresses. Gog and Magog will fire their arrows into the sky, and they will fall back to earth with something like blood on them. "
Arrows have no effect on tanks and bunkers… it’s extremely hard to understand how they could defeat people anymore.
On the other hand, arrows falling back to earth with something like blood on them easily brings to mind something falling down to earth with a red tip.
I know something that is vaguely arrow-shaped (pointy at the end) and which you fire up into the sky and which then falls towards the enemy with a red tip: artillery shells, which turn red hot on the tip on their way down to earth.
A storm of artillery shells could pretty easily wipe out any army people could place before Gog and Magog.
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About Gog Magog it is written in Holy Quran, it rests on the tops of mountains and when the time will come, it will come down from every peek (height). It will ruin every thing with it, it will take away every thing with it.
Apnay saath har cheez ko baha kar lay jaye ga.
Jajan Majooja = Storming Waves of Water. Jajan = Storm, Majooj = Wave
Hope made any sense.