God is Not Great

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Peace queer

The people who want power will play on the religiosity of people to achieve their ends ... this is different to saying that religion has a huge role to play in rousing opinion. The fact is that people are religious, but they are not very smart - when they see a wolf (not in sheep's clothing but) in shepherd's clothing they follow those wolves as though they are shepherds ... the religion is not to blame, but the people who allowed themselves to be misled in the name of their religion and the real culprits are those vampires who prey on the masses ... This is why they want us to be clever enough to be productive, but dumb enough to be led around without question.

This essentially is warmongery and not religion ... included in this warfare process is the role played by the "global markets and banks", "entertainment and news industry" and the reason why atheism is being spearheaded by these warmongers is because they have found that ...

"those who don't believe in something, believe in anything" - ironically atheism is not freedom of the mind, but confinement to the idea that there is no "moral" purpose beyond life. This way people are more likely to value their lives over what we consider as nominal morality and hence become controllable ... atheism in Islamic terms is to replace Deity with man ... i.e. the fear that we aught to place in Deity, is placed in those who are in power. Islamically it is impossible to be an atheist - since something will be worshipped in kind - be that the human form of beauty, wealth, or power.

Religion based on Deity actually liberates the people and puts all people as equals amongst each other - irradicating religion will then bind us to view each other with other standards - such as power and influence.

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Clearly thats not bowing, did u even get a tiny little pinch for that ?

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Those who have the knowledge. The doctor makes no valid points. He showed his ignorance when he said that God proudly commits genocide. I want proof!

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I am pretty happy to know that I am closed minded when it comes to declare that God is not great. Only pathetic people claim that God is not great, because they are coward to face the death and dying.

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so atheists don’t die? :hehe:

one could argue that it is religious people who are scared of death, and rely on the crutches of myths of afterlife and a heaven with rivers of milk and honey and other ridiculously absurd pleasures.

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psyah man, i know you mean well with your circular logic essays, but they have to at least have some truth to them. equal amongst each other? shall we ask baobihari or shardmanny how equal they feel after quoting mucho religious scripture about their shia brethren? i dont know why these two arent banned. perhaps the religion forum mods are selectively blind in their idea of equality? :hehe:

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I should have explained it and spelled out actually. Only Atheist want to deny the wrath and punishments that their own hands earn in this world by going against the guidance provided by God (in any religion you take). So, they bury their head in the sand and declare there is no God and hence no accountablility of their life/acts in this world.

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really pal? only atheists? so what about the religious people who kill, steal, sin on a daily basis all around us?

you are confusing atheism with immorality. just because someone doesn't believe in god doesnt mean they will rape your wife and cook your kids. this is why you should read a book or two as mr. ghost is suggesting.

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pseudo-atheists are everywhere now a days…:hoonh:

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Two wrongs don't make one right. If publically declared religious person is doing wrong, it means he is essentially denying the punishments at the back of his mind too. This also means he is denying that God is there to hold you accountable for your deeds. Difference being that one openly denies God's existence and publically known as atheist, the other is publically somoeone on religion but denies the teachings.

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lol so by your logic, everyone who has committed a sin is effectively an atheist. good going..

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Ok I am just curious, how do atheist rationalize the inequality, injustice in this world? I mean those of us who believe in God can at least resort to the final reckoning and the eventual justice to try to make sense of gross unfairness in this world (whether this is flawed or not is debatable). How do atheist come to term with this? Look at the mass murderers, even if they end up getting a punishment befitting their crime in this world, from a truly just perspective they only die once. How does that account for the death of each and every person they killed. I doubt they understand the agony each one of their victims and their families went through.

Just want to understand. For me to each their own.

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You got it partially wrong, actually. Committing sin does not make one atheist. Believing that there is no God does. when a person who believes in God commit sin, at that moment, he forgets that God is watching and in that moment of time his faith is suppressed by the burden of sin. Declaring that there is no God is a sin in itself in many religions. So, when an atheist declares there is no God at all, according to religions, he is in a state of a continuous sin. A person who is in such state of mind is declared atheist but a sinner who repents and comes back to faith is still a religious person.

Point being that most atheist I have come across or read about are the ones who deny the existence of God because they felt that life is not just, their is no peace here, why their loved ones died, why are there earthquakes, tsunamis, flood etc. So, they come to the conclusion that if there was a God, there would not have been such a chaos in this world.

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would you accept candy as consolation from someone who let someone else break your leg? that is the nature of justice in afterlife.

i honestly don't think believing in justice in afterlife helps as consolation to say.. a mom who lost her child. believers and non-believers feel the same pain, atheists don't have higher rates of depression or suicide compared to believers.

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that's exactly how an atheist mind think.

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atheists like logic, atheists like justice. atheists are better looking, fitter, and have bigger peepees. :snooty:

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coming back to the discussion, here the religious people's take on the above is (Muslim View):

Everything that happens in this world happens with the permission of Allah. If a person harms me, he can only harm me if Allah allows him to. And Allah allows it given the circumstance and physical laws of this universe that He has established. What a person is doing is not dictated or told by Allah to do. It's person's own choice to pick a wrong way because he is accountable for his actions and therefore, Allah has given both ways to pick from. However, Allah taught humans and also sent guidance on what is right and what is wrong. A person does not need a messenger or a book to tell him between right and wrong. Messengers and books are there to help him and believing in them guide him to the right path.

So if a person killed me, it was not Allah who told him to kill me. He in fact asked everyone not kill unjustly. However, he allowed that to happen that way because 1) the other person chose to murder 2) my time was up and this was to be made reason for my time. However, because of other person's choice, he will be punished.

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that brings us back to the usual free-will vs. god's will paradox that religious people just can't seem to explain properly.

  1. everything that happens in this universe is God's will.
  2. crimes are committed by people who exercise their free will.
  3. God did not will the crime to happen, the human did.

3 and 1 contradict.

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"Will" and "Permission" are two different things when it comes to Islamic point of view.

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I'm not atheist but I would say that inequality would be harder to justify as a theist. How do you rationalize AIDS-stricken children born in poverty? They have literally done nothing and are plagued with enormous burdens. Why would God allow this? And it's not hard to imagine that someone in poverty would resort to violence. Would you then condemn this person?

An atheist would say that there is no justice and equality. People are born, and we do what we can. Humans have empathy because it helps the "tribe" survive. People who lie, cheat, and steal, would get outcast from the tribe.