How Religion Spoils Everything.
anyone read? 
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not really, all rules and regulation will benefit us at the day of judgment. 
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^ STA, for that, one has to believe in The day of judgement! 
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and when will that be?
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Mr. Hitchens had a drink too much...
All major wars of our time were secular wars. What did he have to say about that? Not much? Blah Blah Blah, religion starts wars...And just to piss those Mozlems off, I'll write a few lines in support of the Iraq war. LOL
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Mr. Hitchens had a drink too much...
All major wars of our time were secular wars. What did he have to say about that? Not much? Blah Blah Blah, religion starts wars...And just to piss those Mozlems off, I'll write a few lines in support of the Iraq war. LOL
Imagine there was a person in history that told people to bow down to him. They people didn't. So he erased an entire civilization because he had a temper tantrum as a result. Other people praise him for doing that and support him. Sound crazy? No one in the world will ever do that?
That's true. No one has ever done that.
Except for god. He proudly commits genocide when people don't do what he says. He has committed MANY documented genocides according to stories in the bible, quran, torah, the vedas. I do not have too much knowledge of other religious texts, but you see where i am going with this. If you claim hitler was a secular fella, well no one supports him and worships him as a result. Same thing with mr. stalin, or mr. edhi amin, etc.
What's more important is, that in today's world, religious people are the carnivorous cannibals. That is important to see.
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Imagine there was a person in history that told people to bow down to him. They people didn't. So he erased an entire civilization because he had a temper tantrum as a result. Other people praise him for doing that and support him. Sound crazy? No one in the world will ever do that?
That's true. No one has ever done that.
Except for god. He proudly commits genocide when people don't do what he says. He has committed MANY documented genocides according to stories in the bible, quran, torah, the vedas. I do not have too much knowledge of other religious texts, but you see where i am going with this. If you claim hitler was a secular fella, well no one supports him and worships him as a result. Same thing with mr. stalin, or mr. edhi amin, etc.
What's more important is, that in today's world, religious people are the carnivorous cannibals. That is important to see.
You don't have Knowledge at all to discuss about Religions. You have only Knowledge about what you see.
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Mr. Hitchens had a drink too much...
All major wars of our time were secular wars. What did he have to say about that? Not much? Blah Blah Blah, religion starts wars...And just to piss those Mozlems off, I'll write a few lines in support of the Iraq war. LOL
Imagine there was a person in history that told people to bow down to him. They people didn't. So he erased an entire civilization because he had a temper tantrum as a result. Other people praise him for doing that and support him. Sound crazy? No one in the world will ever do that?
That's true. No one has ever done that.
Except for god. He proudly commits genocide when people don't do what he says. He has committed MANY documented genocides according to stories in the bible, quran, torah, the vedas. I do not have too much knowledge of other religious texts, but you see where i am going with this. If you claim hitler was a secular fella, well no one supports him and worships him as a result. Same thing with mr. stalin, or mr. edhi amin, etc.
What's more important is, that in today's world, religious people are the carnivorous cannibals. That is important to see.
Humans will always form tribes and groups, and pretend that their way is better than "those guys". The motive for almost every single war is power and resources, not theology. People just use religion, or any other excuse, to justify war.
This means that you can't blame wars for being "secular", almost every war is. That would be like calling any other colour, "not black". It's idiotic. This also means that you can't say that religion is the cause of so many wars because you can bet that if religion didn't exist, some other excuse would be used to wage said wars.
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Humans will always form tribes and groups, and pretend that their way is better than "those guys". The motive for almost every single war is power and resources, not theology. People just use religion, or any other excuse, to justify war.
This means that you can't blame wars for being "secular", almost every war is. That would be like calling any other colour, "not black". It's idiotic. This also means that you can't say that religion is the cause of so many wars because you can bet that if religion didn't exist, some other excuse would be used to wage said wars.
perfect!
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Imagine there was a person in history that told people to bow down to him. They people didn't. So he erased an entire civilization because he had a temper tantrum as a result. Other people praise him for doing that and support him. Sound crazy? No one in the world will ever do that?
That's true. No one has ever done that.
Except for god. He proudly commits genocide when people don't do what he says. He has committed MANY documented genocides according to stories in the bible, quran, torah, the vedas. I do not have too much knowledge of other religious texts, but you see where i am going with this. If you claim hitler was a secular fella, well no one supports him and worships him as a result. Same thing with mr. stalin, or mr. edhi amin, etc.
What's more important is, that in today's world, religious people are the carnivorous cannibals. That is important to see.
Dr. LuLworth
Read what I highlighted in your post and read it again and again ... until you see that your scenario is a fallacy ... A person - does not tell us to bow down to him ... For example - let's say I kill that person then we don't bow to him do we? Or let's say this person doesn't know we are not bowing to him ... whenever he visits we bow and when he leaves we do our own thing ... By putting a person in that position you have made a blunder in analogy ... God is not another person He is The Creator of all those who must bow to Him ...
Secondly ... God also makes us die regardless of our beliefs ... If a person's disbelief in The Deity benefits him in any way then ask that person to escape death - He can't whether he was an obedient slave or a rebelious one ... Just as our lives are not in our hands our death is also not in our hands ... To deny Deity on the grounds of "Arrogance" or for being too proud to be subdued in to obedience is an aimless rebellion because a rebellion must have it's aims achievable ... If our disobedience will gain us anything then surely it should gain us everlasting life in this world and no death ... No such rebellion has availed us that ... nor do we claim that by being religious we will be saved from death ...
Thirdly - your knowledge in world history is tainted with holes ... Look to Chinese miltary history ... That civilisation is proof of the fact that people have been subdued to obedience through fear of death. Of course, it is better to be offering a reward ... and your point is silent on that - Deity has given us the threat of the stick may be, but Deity has also given us the promise of the carrot.
The correct analogy should be like this:
A mother lives on a mountain cliff with her children ... The garden is surrounded by a fence for safety ... There are big children and little children playing in the garden ... The garden is a wonderful area, but the patches outside the garden look appealing, but the elder children know that going over the fence will result in the ground breaking away and their siblings falling to their doom. So the elder children warn the younger ones to stay inside the fence to enjoy play safely ... Some younger children however still climb over the fence and fall to their doom - the reason for doing so is that they failed to realise that mother's fence was protecting them, they thought that mother's fence was stopping them and imprisoning them ...
The fence = rules of morality
mother = the loving nature of Deity
elder children = prophets and guides
younger children = the rest of humanity
falling off the edge = sin and bringing harm to oneself
play = life
safety = moral and good conduct
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Humans will always form tribes and groups, and pretend that their way is better than "those guys". The motive for almost every single war is power and resources, not theology. People just use religion, or any other excuse, to justify war.
This means that you can't blame wars for being "secular", almost every war is. That would be like calling any other colour, "not black". It's idiotic. This also means that you can't say that religion is the cause of so many wars because you can bet that if religion didn't exist, some other excuse would be used to wage said wars.
Last sentence is circular logic IMO. We can only go by evidence.
Didn't much care for Christopher Hutchinson. I assume he wrote this book?
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You don't have Knowledge at all to discuss about Religions. You have only Knowledge about what you see.
So who exactly has the prerequisites to discuss religion. The good doctor makes valid points.
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I remember seeing the author of "God is Not Great" on a talk show last year. His reasons of coming to such a horrible conclusion was due to the facts that he faced bad times in life and lost loved ones. So he concluded God is not great.
Some people deny the existence of God altogether when afflicted by a calamity. He on the other hand decided to degrade God.
I think people start believing as atheist or as someone who does not like God because they totally fail to understand the purpose of life. They close their eyes and deny anything related to God/Religion.
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^if you read the book, he makes it clear, he believes in no god. he didnt even think jesus existed.
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interesting to know. I did not read the book. Did not want to waste my time and money at all.
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^ If you don't read why some people are atheists, if you can't even read about their experiences and beliefs, then you're being pretty close minded. Just my opinion. Reading about "the other side" is not going to ruin your piety.
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^:D water cooler apka hua.
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Humans will always form tribes and groups, and pretend that their way is better than "those guys". The motive for almost every single war is power and resources, not theology. People just use religion, or any other excuse, to justify war.
This means that you can't blame wars for being "secular", almost every war is. That would be like calling any other colour, "not black". It's idiotic. This also means that you can't say that religion is the cause of so many wars because you can bet that if religion didn't exist, some other excuse would be used to wage said wars.
while wars may be fought for a lot of reasons other than religion, religion does play a huge role in rousing opinion in favor of many wars, including the current ones. for eg., a lot of edumacated american christians believe izlam has declared war on them, and still continue to back the pointless conflict. religion may not be the cause of many wars, but its dogmatic and volatile nature makes it an easy tool for manipulating masses into taking positions they wouldn't go along with if they were to behave rationally.
religiosity also makes for a very easily exploitable achilles heel in heterogeneous communities - look at how quickly iraqi society crumbled under shia-sunni violence.
also at least a couple of the most dangerous threats to peace in the world today even if you exclude the ongoing wars, are religious in nature, or have religion playing a lead role.
which is not to say atheists are any less dangerous. they just don't have quite that big a platform of acceptable irrational hatred for "the others" built up from centuries, maybe even millenia, at their disposal.
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^ I agree with you, but most religious conflicts are political in nature. Some of the most horrific wars in history have been purely political, and not at all theological. Even the Crusades were political. That said, you are absolutely correct in that religion allows one to easily manipulate the populace but this can be done with any group, all one requires is a distinction. American vs German, Pakistan vs India, China vs Japan. I realize that many other factors come into effect, but the main point I'm trying to make is that boundaries and distinctions cause wars, and religion is just one such distinction, albeit an easily subverted one.
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^:D water cooler apka hua.
Hain? Explain please lol.