AShti Spumanti: How come you know all about what these girls do? Just remember girls hang out with girls and you r sisters might be hanging out with these girls… Tauba tauba…40 yr old guys… 
We had a lesbian from attock in our boarding school by the way. Ewwwww.
^ hmmm dorm room stories 
Yeah! Quite a few.
^ open a thread
No corner room :(
^ but it can come under Health and ** Relationship **..?
You can’t keep your eyes closed like a dope bag, when this sort of stuff is happening you find out willingly or unwillingly.
I only have two brothers and no female sibling but I know how I’m going to raise my daughters if I have any and I keep and eye out for my female cousins.
Those of us who do have sisters keep an eye on where they go and what they do, it’s not like go where you want, parties, sleepovers etc. In fact for a Jawaan girl to sleep at a relatives house is even frowned upon.
and he was butt ugly. :yukh:
Ashti what about having some trust in the ladies, believing they will do the right thing and not indulge in sinful acts??? Do they ever get to use their own brain? And if they cannot be trusted without male supervision then why are the boys? The boys should be spied upon too no? If you had had a guardian with you, you wouldn;t have had girls making advances at you at that sufi insitution would you? What say?
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*Originally posted by Femme Fatale: *
We had a lesbian from attock in our boarding school by the way. Ewwwww.
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Attock is home to a lot of different people, Pathans, Punjabis, Kohistanis, Indians, Kashmiris and Africans no where did I say that all are decent, they are not. Even in the shareef ethnicities you’ll get a few bad people and good people in the bay-ghayrat ethnicities but a few doesn’t help form the image, it’s the majority what matters, compare Karachi and Lahore to a town in Chach.
No thanks I don't have the patience or need to make such useless comparisons to stroke my ego.
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*Originally posted by Femme Fatale: *
Ashti what about having some trust in the ladies, believing they will do the right thing and not indulge in sinful acts??? Do they ever get to use their own brain? And if they cannot be trusted without male supervision then why are the boys? The boys should be spied upon too no? If you had had a guardian with you, you wouldn;t have had girls making advances at you at that sufi insitution would you? What say?
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Equality, freedom.. all rubbish excuses to give women the licence to do what they want.
In societies where women have got this azaadi to think on their own bay-hayaai is rampant, west ho ya fer Pak ki cities.
I didn’t attend the Sufi college, that’s my mate just generally in Lahore I’ve been chatted up at the park, arcades etc.
Kids and teenagers should be kept an eye on both boys and girls but with a girl it’s a different matter, she is the izzat of the family, you know wot I mean? You gotta protect her from harassment and the dodgy environment etc. more than a boy.
I had my butt pinched in a few Bazaars in Lahore, big deal,if I knew who it were I'd punch his lights out but it was confsuing because of the hustle and bustle and temp etc. so I didn't get a chance, just ignored it but if that had been a female from the family we'd have to go find that guy and kill him.
Men eventually have to go out and work and earn a living for themselves, his other half, kids and parents so it’s necessary for him to be out there.
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*Originally posted by Ashti: *
In societies where women have got this azaadi to think on their own bay-hayaai is rampant, west ho ya fer Pak ki cities.
I didn’t attend the Sufi college, that’s my mate just generally in Lahore I’ve been chatted up at the park, arcades etc.
Kids and teenagers should be kept an eye on both boys and girls but with a girl it’s a different matter, she is the izzat of the family, you know wot I mean? You gotta protect her from harassment and the dodgy environment etc. more than a boy.
I had my butt pinched in a few Bazaars in Lahore, big deal,if I knew who it were I'd punch his lights out but it was confsuing because of the hustle and bustle and temp etc. so I didn't get a chance, just ignored it but if that had been a female from the family we'd have to go find that guy and kill him.
Men eventually have to go out and work and earn a living for themselves, his other half, kids and parents so it’s necessary for him to be out there.
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So the women need to be given a license , they need permission to do what they want to. They are second grade human beings basically? The men have a God-given license to do whatever they wish just cos they were born men!
Women are the izzat of the family, so they are not to be trusted on their own, men on the other hand can go and do what they wish that ofcourse doesn't bring a bad name to the family at all does it? Cos it's the men doing it all, right? I think it has more to do with double standards than ghairat.
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*Originally posted by Mamaof3: *
To Mr Ashti,
I see that you are very young, THere is still time yet for you. A question for you: do you plan to live and work in America? If so, you will find yourself in much trouble one day with the views that you are expressing. If you are fortunate enough to get a college education, the professional world here is rife with females. One of which may be your boss. They wear skirts (oh MY!!!!) , they tell you what to do and they determine whether you get a raise or not. You will find yourself working with females. Your colleagues that you are in direct competition with for promotions etc. You may have to resport to depending upon them to complete a project assigned to you. All the while, if you display any contempt or disrespect you will be fired. That will follow you for the rest of your life, so your professional career in the US of A would effectively be over. These are the types of things you need to consider - thats what I meant by the use of "when in rome...."
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I don’t live in America, I live in a village in England and I’m planning on staying in my village, if I do move anywhere else it’d be my ancestral village in Pakistan.
Yes the work environment is mixed over here, but that’s necessity and hence pardoned in our religion, of course we are required to be on our guard all the time and lower our gaze whenever necessary.
I like Ashti’s views 
they reflect Islam,
and alot of the practicing people over here in the UK (and the US) do live like that :k:
also to clarify another point, many hijabis do just wear their scarves to shut their parents up, and many of them are paid prostitutes, its a booming buisness in this country, and noone really recognises a woman in hijab, so getting picked up by a guy is a piece of cake for them
i blame the education system and the parents, theres nothing abt holding women back from doing anything, they should be out there giving there all,
ofcourse there are mixed places, and living in this society you have to get on with guys at some point, for those who dont want to its not a problem, for others they are fine with it
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*Originally posted by Femme Fatale: *
So the women need to be given a license , they need permission to do what they want to. They are second grade human beings basically? The men have a God-given license to do whatever they wish just cos they were born men!
Women are the izzat of the family, so they are not to be trusted on their own, men on the other hand can go and do what they wish that ofcourse doesn't bring a bad name to the family at all does it? Cos it's the men doing it all, right? I think it has more to do with double standards than ghairat.
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Stop putting words in my mouth, men are the head of the household and the protectors of women and yes this is their God given right but that doesn't mean to say women are inferior or second class citizens (these are western terms), they are just different with different responsibilities.
I am amused at how you people come out with all your posh talk and long winded crap to make us look backward but I don’t care, I’d rather be like this than live my life without any ghayrat, a man is not a man until he has ghayrat inside him.
When did I say that if a man does something indecent it's all right?
Men just have to have that bit more freedom as they are the head of the household and have responsibilities which require them to be out there.
Another thing I’d like to add is men are less prone to emotion, he’ll shag a girl if he doesn’t have any values but if he does have he’ll suppress his urge but with a girl she can be the most decent and shareef but if a guy talks sweet talk to her and pretends to be in love with her coz he wants to get laid, its more likely that her heart will melt and she’ll fall for the luvy duvy piyar shiyar crap and end up doing it with him only to get dumped straight afterwards.
There's sum girls who stay strong but most give in, they're not necessarily bad, its just the way women are, so you have to take the precautions.
This is not just empty talk like you who ignores reality and lives by political correctness, I interact with these sorts of people on a daily basis, I know how their brains work and how they live like.
Thanks Zara, appreciated :)
Ashti opinion may be based on islam, but the way hes explaining them is rather immature and stupid.
I think rather than forcing segregation, parents would be better of explaining the reasons and benefits behind them. Cause otherwise as some people have said, the moment they turn their backs, the kids get upto stuff.
In my house the men and women usually sit in seperate rooms, but its never that strictly imposed.
There isnt much that I disagree with on Mr Ashti's views with the exception of the extreme (as I see it) separation of the sexes. How could a woman ever function normally "out there" in a western society after being segregated all her life?? Its just not possible.
I am one of those disdained "gorahs" but I do beleive that a woman should be at home, making it a nice place for the family. That the woman should respect her husband and be completely supportive of his responsibility of "bringing home the bacon". That she should be modest out there in public.
But I am college educated and worked as a professional on wall st for a number of years too. If I had no exposure to men growing up, it just would not have been possible for me to function in the professional world. But now, both my husband and I agree that its a good thing that if anything should ever happen to him, I would be able to support my boys, put good food on the table and put them thru college. That is a source of comfort for both of us. It can be no other way in this crazy world. Or it could be but look at the alternative - I work a menial job, make just enough to put food on the table, no college for the boys, no health benefits. I could go on and on. But I think you should consider my point. If you are a female living in the western world, segregation is possible but detrimental to the welfare of her future, her social skills and her ability to function in society. It really IS possible to mix with the opposite gender and not be a "whore". Its all in how you were raised and how you are taught to adapt to the culture you decide to live in, no?
I think there are certain things that should be left behind in the mother country, like this attitude towards women. It is disgusting. 