Giving birth on visitor's visa

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I honestly don't want to go into specifics. Giving too much personal info about them isn't right. The reason I asked in the first place is because they don't want to do anything that's wrong. If they did, they wouldn't even ask other people, they would just do it.

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^makes sense.. thats why we are assuming a lot of stuff here so dont be offended. :-)

I do want to know how things work out for them.. please do share later if you dont mind!! and I dunno any of the guppans who gave birth in the US on visitors visa.. so probably thats why you cant find more information about it here.. tell them to search on visajourney.com... it's all about immigration issues.. they may find someone there with a similar experience. :-)

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umm thanks

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I still can't wrap my head around how she managed to get a visitor's visa IF she revealed to the U.S. embassy that she's married to a U.S. GC holder. I never said that they "lied". I've known a few couples who managed to get a visitor's visa while having a spouse who's a GC holder or U.S. citizen's.....and the "way" they did it is that they never "legally" married and never told the U.S. embassy that their spouse is permanently settled in the U.S. You'll need to forgive my reluctance in accepting this....but off the top of my head....searching through all the different "ways" to apply for a visitor's visa and the "rules".....I'm not able to come up with a single policy that makes sense in this situation (ie. U.S. embassy granting visitor's visa to a woman whose husband is obviously settled in the U.S.....hence from their perspective, there is a HUGE chance she'll overstay her visa).

If and when her husband applies for U.S. citizenship....and IF and when the wife applies for GC....IF USCIS wants to....they can deny their application based on the fact that they seeked public assitance. That's why people generally need a financial "sponsor" when applying for GC's here. USCIS wants to make sure that people being granted residency/citizenship are not going to become burden on the public system.

The #1 thing to know about U.S. immigration is that it's NEVER "simple". Nothing in immigration is black and white. It's not "illegal" for the wife or even the husband to depend on taxpayers money. But use common sense and think about this......Why would an USCIS officer grant GC or citizenship to a woman who came here on a visitor's visa and applied for public assistance? Put yourself in their shoes. If you can't even convince everyone on this forum that has "everyday" people that this couple's intentions are genuine....just imagine trying to convince an USCIS officer!

All that being said....Is it "illegal" for the wife to seek public assistance even though she's not a green card holder? No. She'll get the help and no one's going to take her to jail.

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^you hit the nail on head... like i mentioned before my husband was declined visa and they very clearly told him that if someone can get an immigrant visa to go to the US, they dont give them the non immigrant visa just becase tehre is no guarantee that they will ever come back!! we were really upset because we knew he would never overstay the visa or do anything here that could put the rest of the situation in jeoopardy!But of course we are talking immigration to the US, that is becoming harder and harder as teh days go by!

so yes they have to be very careful with how they deal with it "legally" and dont burn their boats behind them.

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Not guppans but I know quite a few people who’ve done this. Along with desis…many Chinese women do this too (ie. come on visitor’s visa, give birth). Some stay here illegally and others go back…b/c all they want is a U.S. passport for the baby who can return later in life.

The issue here isn’t the wife giving birth on visitor’s visa. That won’t necessarily “hurt” her later on. The issue here is seeking public assitance. Forget visitor’s visas…most immigration lawyers I know personally warn clients that already have GC NOT to apply for any type of public assistance until they get citizenship. USCIS really frowns upon people who give off the impression that they’ll need financial assitance from the government. I know of cases (not necessarily pregnancy related) where USCIS has denied applications for people who depended on government assitance. This is the whole reason they want a financial sponsor for immigrants.

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Nice that you researched about all of this. But let me tell you again, this girl was granted 10 years visitor's visa and entered the US with her husband who went to her country to travel back with her. I can't give you more straight forward answer than this. Like I said earlier I don't want to go into specific. I know they didn't do anything illegal to enter the U.S. The girl's situation was a bit different. She wanted to see her mom who was living here and her dad is dead so she didn't have anyone elsewhere who would take care of her. And a lot of different things convinced the immigration to grant her the visa. Anyway, thanks for all the responses!

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Ladies ladies ladies.. lol.. the girl has no U.S application.. GC.. immigration filed from the hubby. I've said it so many times.. Don't assume that she already has an application filed. She doesn't. In GTG's husband's case, she filed for his immigration that's why he was denied visit visa. This girl doesn't have that filed so it was a totally different case.

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Spiral.. no one said that she entered the US illegally.. we are just curious how she got the visa if they knew that her husband and even the mother lives here.. I am just trying to understand that.. probably they were just nice to her and unfair to us :-(

Even with the 10 year visitor visa doesnt mean she can live here for 10 years.. tehre is a limit for each visit, mostly 3-6 months but they can come and go within the next 10 years!!

oh well, I am out of this trhead.. it implies that USCIS has different rules for different people which I know is not the case and dont have time or patience to argue that!

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NO I hadnt filed for my husband.. we were newly nikahfiled, we didntt want to settle in the US at that time, i had a green card and I was supposed to go back to Pakistan after my graduation! We had no intention to live here until I moved back to Pakistan, stayed tehre for 8 months in Karachi, away from my family in Punjab, hated it there and decided to come back to pursue my citizenship and apply for my husband.. I came back in February, applied for him on GC, got my citizenship in September, upgraded teh status and he was in the US within 11 months!

We were married for 3 years, when we decided to move to the US and APPLY!!

BUT he wanted to come for graduation and in his application he stated that he wanted to attend his wife's graduation and was declined visa telling him that I should apply for him and they cant give him visitor visa!

Hope it explains!

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Lets just say that.. lol... it does happen... even my BIL got vist visa to the U.S.. all his family lives here. His parents have GC, brother, sister everyone... its rare but it does happen. He did nothing illegal. He comes here to the U.S visits everyone and leave in few weeks.

Oh i don't think the girl intends to live here after her limit is over.

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ohhhhhhhhhhhhh i see.. yeah well.. Isn't this copule lucky!

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I never said that the girl already has an application filed. That' why I wrote "IF and WHEN" she does apply. If she receives public assistance right now....and then applied for a GC 5 years from now.....do you honestly believe that USCIS won't find out that she once received public assitance while on visitor's visa? Believe it or not....USCIS has a way of "discovering" things when you least expect it....especially when it comes to govt. records.

At the end of the day....you really should not rely on people on this forum or any other forum for this type of info. If seeking public assitance is something this couple is seriously considering....and if their immigration "situation" is so special........then I strongly recommend they consult with a reputable immigration lawyer regarding the POTENTIAL effects of doing this in any of their FUTURE applications. And they should do it *BEFORE signing any legal documents accepting public assitance.

I do understand what you're saying (even though it might not seem like it). But as someone who works in the legal field...I can also tell you that I've seen MANY sad endings where people took a risk and thought it wouldn't effect them (and this isn't isolated to immigration).

At the end of the day....the POINT I'm trying to get through is that IF the wife does apply for GC or citizenship in the future....OR if the husband applies for the wife in the future......there is a potential they could get denied if they do this. It's not about NOW....it's about the risks in the future if this couple is planning on building a life in the U.S. long-term (legally).

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I believe you. I don't think they now plan on having the child here.. but I am also a strong believer that don't do anything wrong to risk your future. I know you can't hide these things.

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sorry to chime in here, but if these guys are working full time, it is legal law in the US to offer benefits, or option for benefits, which includes insurance.. so i find that a little hard to believe...

@Paheli00 i agree with you completely. on this part "But guess what....when a man has a pregnant wife who doesn't have a stable job w/ benefits (especially in the U.S.)....perhaps that's a time for him to think about his responsibilities and how he's going to PAY for the responsiblities he CHOSE to have.

It's great that someone wants to devote their life to research & publishing papers....but that still doesn't make it "ok" for them to expect that me and other taxpayers will pay for their "wants" (having a wife & child at the end of the day is a "want")."

I mean if you can't handle the responsibility of a child, then don't have one...

this makes me sick.. my hard earned tax dollars go to people like this.. i would much rather that they go to some poor person.

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No... It depends on the job. I graduated in HR .. so no that's not true. If I work 40 hours but I am a temp with a company. I am working full time but I get no benefits. If I do unpaid/minimum pay research but devote my 40 hours doing research, should the company legally offer me benefits. NO. When you get a job they explain you all they are offering and if benefits is not part of their package what can you do.

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Look for another job?

I know this has nothing to do with the point of this thread...and I'm not sure how the people you know think. But I know for myself, my fiance, and my "social" group....."benefits package" is a major factor in determining whether or not a job offer is accepted. Especialylly for a man who has a wife and is planning on having a child....finding a job that offers good health insurance should be a MUST.

My fiance has GREAT health/dental insurance through his hospital. My insurance sucks compared to his. He alrady talks about how he can't wait to add me to his once we're married b/c of this. We also have discussions on his 401K plan and how that effects our future stability. Once 2 people choose to get married and want to become parents.....these are the things that need to be thought of. It's great that someone wants to do a job b/c they love it or they want to have children.....but as adults, we also need to think about who will pay for our care and/or our children and at least attempt at having a "plan".

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I would know all of this! Not my fiance, but my HUSBAND has a good insurance and I make decisions as to what we need/want and what we don't.
Its good to stick to the topic ;)

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I hope you include your HUSBAND in making those decisions! :) LOL....yes, it's great that you and your HUSBAND discuss and plan all this out. But as clearly shown by the example of your "friend and her husband"....unfortunately not all couples do that. And when many other couples choose not to do that and end up on public assitance....people like me, you, your husbnad, and other taxpayers end up footing their bill b/c they chose not do have a plan at all.

Back to topic.... :)

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very true statement. Any type of fraud would get him deported and there are many cases where that has happened.