Geo Vs ISI

[Ali_Syed]

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@khoji

If you give people like Ansar Abbasi and Hamid Mir then we will end up with Ameerul Munafiqeen Nawaz Sharif dictator.
All this campaign against Army and ISI is to strengthen hands of civilian dictatorship of Nawaz Talibani. Just like what another civilian dictator Bhutto tried earlier.
When ISI was under khariji influence then people like Ansar Abbasi and Hamid Mir were ardent supporters of its nefarious activities in Afghanistan.

I do NOT support Geo, I dont even watch it now. I prefer Dunya or Dawn News to it. But the allegations (regarding ISI) that are coming from different quarters are alarming, if unchecked they will only create problems for the country.

[Green_Beret]

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@Ali_Syed

What do pashtuns want?

Loy Afghanistan.

[Ali_Syed]

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@Green_Beret

Loy Afghanistan.

You are living in the past then…thats all I can say.

[Green_Beret]

Re: Geo Vs ISI

@Ali_Syed

You are living in the past then…thats all I can say.

Nope, talk to any pashtoon, most of them are loyal to Afghanistan first.

[khoji]

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@Ali_Syed

I do NOT support Geo, I dont even watch it now. I prefer Dunya or Dawn News to it. But the allegations (regarding ISI) that are coming from different quarters are alarming, if unchecked they will only create problems for the country.

Well, allegations which are justified should be raised. But this case is a total Nawaz ploy. Nawaz is using ol’ friend Jang to use this opportunity to jump on ISI and Army. His purpose is civilian dictatorship. Just like what he tried in his last term, and which ultimately resulted in the coup.

ISI did murder journalists earlier. Like Saleem Shahzad. But the manner in which Mir was attacked is totally un-ISI like. Such hit-and-run method is more a Taliban tactic than that of a powerful systematic organization like ISI.
ISI could have kidnapped him and ensured that he was dead for sure, instead of first threatening him and then employing a method which leaves risk of survival of victim.

Taliban has threatened Mir earlier for his support to Malala.

[Ali_Syed]

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@Green_Beret

Nope, talk to any pashtoon, most of them are loyal to Afghanistan first.

For the first time in KPK’s history ANP got a government from 2008-2013, and even ANP has resigned to the fact that they have to live with Pakistan. KPK’s issue is not Pashtunistan but Talibanization which the state has itself propagated in that area.

[Ali_Syed]

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@khoji

Well, allegations which are justified should be raised. But this case is a total Nawaz ploy. Nawaz is using ol’ friend Jang to use this opportunity to jump on ISI and Army. His purpose is civilian dictatorship. Just like what he tried in his last term, and which ultimately resulted in the coup.

ISI did murder journalists earlier. Like Saleem Shahzad. But the manner in which Mir was attacked is totally un-ISI like. Such hit-and-run method is more a Taliban tactic than that of a powerful systematic organization like ISI.
ISI could have kidnapped him and ensured that he was dead for sure, instead of first threatening him and then employing a method which leaves risk of survival of victim.

Taliban has threatened Mir earlier for his support to Malala.

Even Saleem Shahzad was tortured, the guys didnt know that he had had an operation a few days before.

[khoji]

Re: Geo Vs ISI

@Ali_Syed

I do NOT support Geo, I dont even watch it now. I prefer Dunya or Dawn News to it. But the allegations (regarding ISI) that are coming from different quarters are alarming, if unchecked they will only create problems for the country.

Well, allegations which are justified should be raised. But this case is a total Nawaz ploy. Nawaz is using ol’ friend Jang to use this opportunity to jump on ISI and Army. His purpose is civilian dictatorship. Just like what he tried in his last term, and which ultimately resulted in the coup.

ISI did murder journalists earlier. Like Saleem Shahzad. But the manner in which Mir was attacked is totally un-ISI like. Such hit-and-run method is more a Taliban tactic than that of a powerful systematic organization like ISI.
ISI could have kidnapped him and ensured that he was dead for sure, instead of first threatening him and then employing a method which leaves risk of survival of victim.

Taliban has threatened Mir earlier for his support to Malala.

BBC News - Hamid Mir failed attack claimed by Pakistani Taliban
27 November 2012 Last updated at 15:22 GMT

The Pakistani Taliban have said they were behind a failed attempt on Monday to kill one of Pakistan’s best known television presenters, Hamid Mir.
Half a kilogram of explosives was found under Mr Mir’s car outside his home in the capital, Islamabad.

The Taliban threatened Mr Mir and other journalists for their coverage of the militants’ shooting of schoolgirl Malala Yousafzai last month.

     She and two other girls were injured but survived.

     In a phone call to the BBC Urdu service, a Taliban spokesman  said **they would target Mr Mir, who works for Geo News, a Pakistani  private television channel, and other journalists in the future**.

[Amal]

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@Jolie

Ha! You must think very highly of yourself in that case.

And where did you get that from? I would like to know. Perhaps it’s you who need to stop being the judge on my views. I appreciate your attempt to be profound, but please refrain from drawing any unnecessary assumptions. Maybe reading my posts from the very first page of this thread may help you make a better argument against me. Just for the sake of record, I do not want to see bloody TV channel to emerge as a replacement for another Holy Cow, so please register this. I will not waste anymore breadth explaining this numerous times.

Now your posts carry a generous amount of paranoia. I’m neither moved nor amused by that. But I will have to say that you are severely mistaken if you think I advocate ‘weakening’ of Army (whatever on earth that really means in Pakistan) to strengthen other institutions. You are simply seeing (or just assuming) what you want to see (or imagine). But the points remains, the civilian anchor person you deem inferior to a military man makes thousands of programs lambasting politicians, elected heads of the parliament, judges, businessmen, activists, locals and foreign powers throughout the year, but it takes couple of reporting on Balochistan to have the army feel all threatened and weakened? An army that feels so weak at a mere mention of its name in any critical report is not a strong army to begin with. Why is it a crime and sin in Pakistan to report on Balochistan, and say the stakeholders have failed?

If desiring just mere minimal level of accountability, transparency, communication and efficiency is akin to weakening the army (only in Pakistan!) so be it.

Thank you for your comments.

[SID_NY]

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@Anwer_Pasha

http://i.dawn.com/thumbnail/2014/04/535764043baf3.jpg?r=2106480226

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Cool, I didnt know Santa Clause is in Pakistan these days watching Nawaz Sharif on TV

@Shamraz_Khan

Btw, am I the only who finds Mubashir Luqman extremely distasteful person?

Dude, Once a crook always a crook. He’s the most opportunist person and not even sure why is he called a journalist. Infact both Express news and ARY channel seem to trying the most out of this situation.

[Green_Beret]

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@Ali_Syed

For the first time in KPK’s history ANP got a government from 2008-2013, and even ANP has resigned to the fact that they have to live with Pakistan. KPK’s issue is not Pashtunistan but Talibanization which the state has itself propagated in that area.

And do you know why the establishment supported radicalization in Afghanistan and the tribal areas?Because Afghanistan was the only country that voted against Pakistan’s existence, they didn’t recognize the Durrand line(a treaty they signed after selling their land to the British) and their PM Daud Khan actively supported separatist movements in Pashtun parts of Pakistan, as well as supporting Baloch rebels, so Pakistan had every right to protect it’s territorial integrity; if they Afghans respected our borders, perhaps we would have respected theirs, and the world would’ve been a better place, but many of them still eye our land.

[Anwer_Pasha]

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@Green_Beret

And do you know why the establishment supported radicalization in Afghanistan and the tribal areas?Because Afghanistan was the only country that voted against Pakistan’s existence, they didn’t recognize the Durrand line(a treaty they signed after selling their land to the British) and their PM Daud Khan actively supported separatist movements in Pashtun parts of Pakistan, as well as supporting Baloch rebels, so Pakistan had every right to protect it’s territorial integrity; if they Afghans respected our borders, perhaps we would have respected theirs, and the world would’ve been a better place, but many of them still eye our land.

What we did with Afghanistan ?

[Anwer_Pasha]

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@khoji

Well, allegations which are justified should be raised. But this case is a total Nawaz ploy. Nawaz is using ol’ friend Jang to use this opportunity to jump on ISI and Army. His purpose is civilian dictatorship. Just like what he tried in his last term, and which ultimately resulted in the coup.

ISI did murder journalists earlier. Like Saleem Shahzad.** But the manner in which Mir was attacked is totally un-ISI like.** Such hit-and-run method is more a Taliban tactic than that of a powerful systematic organization like ISI.
ISI could have kidnapped him and ensured that he was dead for sure, instead of first threatening him and then employing a method which leaves risk of survival of victim.

Taliban has threatened Mir earlier for his support to Malala.

**BBC News - Hamid Mir failed attack claimed by Pakistani Taliban
** 27 November 2012 Last updated at 15:22 GMT

The Pakistani Taliban have said they were behind a failed attempt on Monday to kill one of Pakistan’s best known television presenters, Hamid Mir.
Half a kilogram of explosives was found under Mr Mir’s car outside his home in the capital, Islamabad.

The Taliban threatened Mr Mir and other journalists for their coverage of the militants’ shooting of schoolgirl Malala Yousafzai last month.

     She and two other girls were injured but survived.

     In a phone call to the BBC Urdu service, a Taliban spokesman  said **they would target Mr Mir, who works for Geo News, a Pakistani  private television channel, and other journalists in the future**.

But the manner in which Mir was attacked is totally un-ISI like
I agree with you , I am already saying this , This was a pure MQM style
Pakistan’s biggest hope - kuch nazar idhar bhi

&
**BBC News - Hamid Mir failed attack claimed by Pakistani Taliban

We discussed that , That was not Taliban style too
**Geo News’ anchor Hamid Mir escapes car bomb plot

[Anwer_Pasha]

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Now ,
PTI against ban on any channel, says Imran Khan :PAKISTAN
http://images.geo.tv/updates_pics/imrankhan-hamidmir-geonews-PTI_4-25-2014_145664_s.jpg
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) chairman Imran Khan has condemned attack on Geo News anchorperson Hamid Mir and said his party is against restrictions on freedom of media besides ban on … more…

[PyariCgudia]

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Pushtuns don’t want their terriroty seceded to Afghanistan. Not sure about prior generations, but at this point, the new generation is Pakistani since their birth, and apart from crazy people who have joined the terrorist movements (they’re not just pushtuns, those are people from all different backgrounds, and many are foreigners actually like the Uzbeks and Saudis), see themselves as Pakistanis.

Now how much longer the Baluch are going to consider themselves Pakistani, or the Pushtun populations, I don’t know. Or the Hazaras, that are being butchered. Baluch’s that are being denied their rights. Pushtuns that have drones running over them. These people might just revolt at this point, but not because they’ve had some fantasy since birth to join Afghanistan. Pakistan, for the better part of this decade and the last has been a safer and stabler place to live in than the Taliban infested Afghanistan, so no one wanted to join them since they were babies.

But at this point, yeah, by the central government, mostly dominated by Punjabis, might drive other ethnic groups away, and there will be revolt.

[Sachaydino]

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@Anwer_Pasha

But the manner in which Mir was attacked is totally un-ISI like
I agree with you , I am already saying this , This was a pure MQM style
Pakistan’s biggest hope - kuch nazar idhar bhi

&
**BBC News - Hamid Mir failed attack claimed by Pakistani Taliban

We discussed that , That was not Taliban style too
**Geo News’ anchor Hamid Mir escapes car bomb plot

So you say that MQM are the main culprits whose strings are controlled by ISI. Otherwise blaming directly ISI does not make any sense. MQM and TTP both are the creation of ISI.

[Ali_Syed]

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@Green_Beret

And do you know why the establishment supported radicalization in Afghanistan and the tribal areas?Because Afghanistan was the only country that voted against Pakistan’s existence, they didn’t recognize the Durrand line(a treaty they signed after selling their land to the British) and their PM Daud Khan actively supported separatist movements in Pashtun parts of Pakistan, as well as supporting Baloch rebels, so Pakistan had every right to protect it’s territorial integrity; if they Afghans respected our borders, perhaps we would have respected theirs, and the world would’ve been a better place, but many of them still eye our land.

50000 people dead and counting…

[Dhoti_Main_Dhamaka]

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Geo should be banned not because of this recent ISI, hamid meer shenanigan because of their hidden anti Pakistan agenda.

[Anwer_Pasha]

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@Dhoti_Main_Dhamaka

Geo should be banned not because of this recent ISI, hamid meer shenanigan because of their hidden anti Pakistan agenda.

you are right , if it is proved but Geo is ban unofficially here , we can not see that today , This is what that is a big crime .
IHC and LHC dismiss petitions against Geo News:PAKISTAN
http://images.geo.tv/updates_pics/GeoNews-Petitions-Pakistan-Dismissed_4-25-2014_145715_s.jpg
ISLAMABAD/LAHORE: The Islamabad High Court (IHC) and Lahore High Court (LHC) dismissed petitions against Geo News and the channels senior anchors on Friday. The IHC dismissed a petition … more…

[Green_Beret]

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@Anwer_Pasha

you are right , if it is proved but Geo is ban unofficially here , we can not see that today , This is what that is a big crime .
IHC and LHC dismiss petitions against Geo News:PAKISTAN

http://images.geo.tv/updates_pics/GeoNews-Petitions-Pakistan-Dismissed_4-25-2014_145715_s.jpg
ISLAMABAD/LAHORE: The Islamabad High Court (IHC) and Lahore High Court (LHC) dismissed petitions against Geo News and the channels senior anchors on Friday. The IHC dismissed a petition … more…

The judiciary, nawaz sharif and jang group are all part of the same team; they’re just trying to tame the army this way.