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^ that was the reason why i posted it, Ansar Abbasi used to be thought as establishments henchman
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Please. Don't bother getting all defensive.
I quoted a specific statement of yours twice to highlight the the level emotional blackmailing it carried. I did not question nor condemned your 'right' to have an opinion. Surely, there's a difference.
This whole argument that a solider's life is more equal than a civilian's life is thoroughly outdated and pejorative. My problem is with this statement alone, and the mentality behind it. No amount of context analysis can make such thinking acceptable to me. Simply because the zealous level of over idolising of army has taken Pakistan absolutely no where. It's that kind of thinking and attitude which has always undermined the need to build strong and independent civil institutions. It really is about time we stop this overly judgmental, black and white soldier-civilian comparisons. It'd be a good exercise to start using the word equal and equality for all citizens of Pakistan, regardless of who they are and what they do.
In regards to rest of your post which I didn't quote, if there's anyone who's creating a new holy cow, then it's none other Pakistan Army/ ISI who's acting like insecure and desperate Soviet police by calling for a ban on an entire channel. Acting above the law by already closing down the channel in various parts of Pakistan without any orders from court is not helping their case, at all.
You are misleading the whole argument and over-focusing on a portion of my views that was there to augment the argument, not that it was the crux of the matter itself. What do you think of a soldier on borders is none of my concern. And it does not bother me at all how overwhelmed you were by the "emotional blackmailing" my views contained. In my view, the job of a soldier is more dignified than a reporter. Period! Now I really don't see how the "emotional blackmailing" in this statement will result in global warming. I maybe wrong. Fine. You can put forward counter-arguments, but you cannot be a judge on my views.
Everyone is important in his own sphere, including servicemen. Civil society and media are part of the package we call Pakistan, not the whole of it. Unlike you, I will not want to cut one to size so that the other one appears larger. That's your opinion which I respect, but do not accept. That's precisely how you create a new genie after bottling up the existing one.
Army did try to overstep its domain in the past which was not acceptable. And it shall never be acceptable for all the times to come. But haven't we seen civilian and judicial dictatorship in this country? Must Army be overrun to strengthen civil institutions? Must we weaken one institution in order to fortify another?
I refuse to be swept away by the liberalistic fashion of disparaging the military in order to appear wide and tall and I hope it will not weigh on anyone who thinks otherwise.
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Lucman is way better than Hamid Mir
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Lucman is way better than Hamid Mir
Yes , You can buy him easily .
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lol Hamid Mir sold out to he Indian and America, i can’t believe you and Ali_Syed are so naive
Indian campaign on ISI exposed – The Express Tribune
I wrote a comment about Geo’s anti-state propaganda, at the rate their going, you guys will be living in Punjab only lol, there will be no Pakistan if you keep believing their lies.
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This is an old tradition here , Jo sach bolay woh Kafir ya Indian agent
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I wonder whether you feel awkward or at home, when you quote a person like ANSAR ABBASI or UMMAT to support your position.
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You are misleading the whole argument and over-focusing on a portion of my views that was there to augment the argument, not that it was the crux of the matter itself. What do you think of a soldier on borders is none of my concern. And it does not bother me at all how overwhelmed you were by the "emotional blackmailing" my views contained. In my view, the job of a soldier is more dignified than a reporter. Period! Now I really don't see how the "emotional blackmailing" in this statement will result in global warming. I maybe wrong. Fine. You can put forward counter-arguments, but you cannot be a judge on my views.
Ha! You must think very highly of yourself in that case.
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Everyone is important in his own sphere, including servicemen. Civil society and media are part of the package we call Pakistan, not the whole of it. Unlike you, I will not want to cut one to size so that the other one appears larger. That's your opinion which I respect, but do not accept. That's precisely how you create a new genie after bottling up the existing one.
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And where did you get that from? I would like to know. Perhaps it's you who need to stop being the judge on my views. I appreciate your attempt to be profound, but please refrain from drawing any unnecessary assumptions. Maybe reading my posts from the very first page of this thread may help you make a better argument against me. Just for the sake of record, I do not want to see a bloody TV channel emerge as a replacement for another Holy Cow, so please register this. I will not waste anymore breadth explaining this numerous times.
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Must Army be overrun to strengthen civil institutions? Must we weaken one institution in order to fortify another?
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Now your posts carry a generous amount of paranoia. I'm neither moved nor amused by that. But I will have to say that you are severely mistaken if you think I advocate 'weakening' of Army (whatever on earth that really means in Pakistan) to strengthen other institutions. You are simply seeing (or just assuming) what you want to see (or imagine). But the points remains, the civilian anchor person you deem inferior to a military man makes thousands of programs lambasting politicians, elected heads of the parliament, judges, businessmen, activists, locals and foreign powers throughout the year, but it takes couple of reporting on Balochistan issue to have the entire army feel all threatened and weakened? An army that feels so weak at a mere mention of its name in any critical report is not a strong army to begin with. Why is it a crime and sin in Pakistan to report on Balochistan and say that the stakeholders have failed?
If desiring just a mere minimal level of accountability, transparency, communication and efficiency is akin to weakening the army (only in Pakistan!) so be it.
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This is an old tradition here , Jo sach bolay woh Kafir ya Indian agent
'Sach'?! What a lie!
'Sach' comes after investigation, NOT within an hour of the attack.
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Anwar Abbasi's article
Every bloody Tom, Dick and Harry in Pakistan thinks he 'personifies' an entire institution. Geo really shot themselves in the foot by calling idiots like him to do a post mortem report, who, 10 minuts into the program asks ISI chief to resign. Epic face palm moment.
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This is an old tradition here , Jo sach bolay woh Kafir ya Indian agent
Did you bother to read the link?Hamid Mir is no angel.
Pakistan mein agar koi Geo ya in pseudo-liberals ko criticize karay to un ko Zaid Hamid ka agent kaha jaatha hai
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lol, and Pakistani army was claiming victory in Bangladesh till the last day. The tragedy is 40 years down the track we have learnt nothing, same is happening in Balochistan now.
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lol, and Pakistani army was claiming victory in Bangladesh till the last day. The tragedy is 40 years down the track we have learnt nothing, same is happening in Balochistan now.
What's happening in balochistan?They've been asking for seccesion since 1947, are you willing to give them that?
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What's happening in balochistan?They've been asking for seccesion since 1947, are you willing to give them that?
nopes, but even the operations are not solving the issue.
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lol, and Pakistani army was claiming victory in Bangladesh till the last day. The tragedy is 40 years down the track we have learnt nothing, same is happening in Balochistan now.
That was 40 years back. Ansar Abbasi, Jang, and Hamid Mir have Talibanic agenda TODAY.
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nopes, but even the operations are not solving the issue.
lets just give them indepedence, it'll silence Hamid mir and his sidechicks.
After that lets just give KPK to Afghanistan, and Sindh will become it's own country, and i'll settle down in srinagar, and you can live in the Republic of Punjab, that's what you would like.
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lets just give them indepedence, it'll silence Hamid mir and his sidechicks.
After that lets just give KPK to Afghanistan, and Sindh will become it's own country, and i'll settle down in srinagar, and you can live in the Republic of Punjab, that's what you would like.
If you give ISI and Army free hand thats exactly what you'll get. If you make Pakistan a true federation where all provinces have equal rights the situation will improve.
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If you give ISI and Army free hand thats exactly what you'll get. If you make Pakistan a true federation where all provinces have equal rights the situation will improve.
Some people like the Baluch and Pashtuns don't want a federation, you're too naive, you think if everybody had the choice they would still choose to live under Punjab lolol hell no
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If you give ISI and Army free hand thats exactly what you'll get. If you make Pakistan a true federation where all provinces have equal rights the situation will improve.
If you give in to people like Ansar Abbasi and Hamid Mir then we will end up with Ameerul Munafiqeen Nawaz Sharif dictator.
All this campaign against Army and ISI is to strengthen hands of civilian dictatorship of Nawaz Talibani. Just like what another civilian dictator Bhutto tried earlier.
When ISI was under khariji influence then people like Ansar Abbasi and Hamid Mir were ardent supporters of its nefarious activities in Afghanistan.
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Some people like the Baluch and Pashtuns don't want a federation, you're too naive, you think if everybody had the choice they would still choose to live under Punjab lolol hell no
What do pashtuns want?