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I can relate to this post. One of my aunts did a 360 a couple years ago. She has 4 children and lives in America. Prior to her "conversion", in Pakistan, she used to go to salons, highlight her hair, keep up with the latest fashion/jewelry trends on a routine basis. She used to go outside (to someone's house or to the bazaar) with a dupatta on her head worn loosely. And so on. She was never ultra modern, but she was definitely not conservative by any means whatsoever.

She started listening to Farhat Hashmi, and slowly overtime she has become anti-social to the point that she doesn't answer the door anymore if the postman is a guy and no male figure is at home to attend to the postman. No pictures, no TV in her house except Geo news. They don't celebrate birthdays anymore. Some time ago, her husband (who now has a shariah beard) got into an accident and had surgery. He couldn't work for a long time. She refused to go out and work, because she believes her role in Islam to be nurturing and motherly at home. Her 5-year old has read Qabar ka azaab and Qayamat ki nishaaniyan, and insists on fasting even though her doctor doesn't recommend it considering her health.
What's worse is that they tried converting others for some time by giving lectures and sending us links to the programs she listens to. When it didn't work, they have now started boycotting each and every person in their family who they think is committing kufr and who is beyond help. She doesn't talk to her own dewraani anymore because the SIL wears half-sleeve t-shirts without scarf/dupatta and the shirts are not kameez-length.

In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with being religious (in spirit and in practice), but the biggest achievement is to do so moderately while still living in this world and interacting with people from all walks of life without labeling them as gunaah-gar and kaafir. When you start assuming that because you're embracing the spirit of Islam, you're forgiven 100% and guaranteed a spot in heaven (and others who are not like you, will not make it), there is something inherently wrong and disturbing with this view. You and I don't know Allah ko kisi ki konsi adaa pasand aaye gi. To each their own...

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lol, yes! I hope that's not to hard to believe.

In my daily life, I come across all sorts of good and bad people. To me there are good and bad apples in every race, sect and faith. That's my own experience since this what the your original question was asking for.

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I think there is something up with that whole Farhat Hashmi group. My cousin sent us the tapes too. It's like they're a cult or something, they were for some time really trying to sell her ideologies. Same thing as you described exactly the same. Looking down on others for not being religious enough. Anti-social behavior. Avoiding working because they think that their role is to be a nurturing mother NOT to work, although interestingly one of my relatives pointed out a story that Farhat Hashmi had this one student who was a radiologist in Pakistan, and the bewaqoof wanted to give up her career and sit at home, and Farhat Hashmi said, no, you are a female radiologist, and we need those, because the male radiologists can't work on female patients per Islam (WTH? It's a radiologist, not a breast surgeon). And so Farhat asked the lady not give up her job. My cousin looks down on ANYONE who works, and gave her in-laws who work a hard time. Another cousin of mine married into the same family, and she is a doctor, and my crazy cousin gave her SO MUCH TAANAY constantly comparing what a better muslim she was because she doesn't work, and the stress the in-laws created for this girl basically cost the girl her job at Aga Khan, because they refused to take her to work. Can you believe this crap?

What is it about the Farhat Hashmi chics, why are they all so crazy? They all wear shuttle burqas and cover up their faces. You know my cousin refused to show her face to my dad, who happens to be her MAMOO. She said, it's not appropriate, my dad was like, but I've known you since you were a baby and your mom is my sister, why am I suddenly na-mehram?

AWFUL play on Islam really.

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Yes, you should see her pics from the marriage. She had the best designers in town do her outfit, and she had top line make-up artists do her face, and she showed it all fully on her wedding day, no niqaab. I'm not sure how soon she pulled this, but I think it was possibly around the early pregnancy time maybe? Dunno. The guy was like 10 years older than her or so, so he figured he wouldn't get far with a divorce, might as well just make this work. He is a serious farishta for dealing with this wacko.

Even her own mother gets angry at her, and her own dad who is religious himself now with a beard and all (but closer to a real muslim I'd say, he has a heart of gold), gets super angry when she prevents him from getting a birthday cake for his grandkids. He ignores her and gets the cake anyway.

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Don't kid yourself, these people don't stop wearing make-up at home, or buying expensive things. She can't spend her money on make up much because she finds that she doesn't really show her face much. But she spends money like CRAAAAZY on hand-bags, on the latest lawn, on nice shoes, on the fanciest burqas. You think burqas are cheap? I went to go look for an abaya/burqa thing for Umrah once, since there really isn't much else you can wear in Saudi on a religious pilgrammage, and I walked into one shop on Tariq Road where they had decent quality abayas, and I kid you NOT 6000-10,000 per abaya.

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But what surprises me is that when a guy does a 360 like this, his wife is expected to follow along. Men do tend to pressure their wives to get more religious, whatever that word means to you, when they get religious, whereas it's just not the same the other way around.

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It's not just men that suddenly remember Islam during Ramadan. Me and my girlfriends are guilty of it too.

Funny thing is my fiance told my mom he wouldn't even considering marrying me if I was religious. He should probably pray I don't find out about this Farhat Hashmi character.

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I don't know where that crazy lady even is, last I heard she was hiding in Canada, and getting in trouble up there.

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Some tidbits from wikipedia:

During a sermon when asked by a woman, what a wife should do if her husband was unwilling to help her destitute parents, Hashmi promptly quoted An-Nisa, 34 (Chapter Al Nisa, verse 34) of the Quran, arguing that the wife should comply with her husband’s wishes, "no matter what, as he was her divinely appointed imam."[SUP][1]](Farhat Hashmi - Wikipedia)
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Hashmi has **preached that Muslim women should let their husbands marry a second time so “other sisters can also benefit”. **This saves men from having a non-marital relationship, which is forbidden according to the Quran.[SUP][1]](Farhat Hashmi - Wikipedia)[/SUP]

According to Hashmi, women can touch and recite the Quran during their menstrual periods, wearing gloves (either when learning Quran from a teacher or teaching Quran to others), traditionally considered prohibited.[SUP][6]](Farhat Hashmi - Wikipedia)[/SUP][SUP][7]](Farhat Hashmi - Wikipedia)
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Hashmi encourages her followers, mostly well-to-do Pakistani women, to interpret the Qur’an for themselves, but her critics argue that “Hashmi’s talks center around personal and family development,** rather than community service,” instead of using their knowledge to improve their social conditions.[SUP][8]](Farhat Hashmi - Wikipedia)[/SUP]**
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One Canadian newspaper criticized her for being elitist and observed that the "moderate Muslims of Canada call her** Wahhabi because of her unbending doctrines."[SUP][2]](Farhat Hashmi - Wikipedia)[/SUP] Raheel Raza, writing inAmerican Thinker on 8 November 2008, stated that she “is known for promoting a very conservative Islamic ideology that is based on Wahhabism. She, like other Islamists is in favor of Sharia in Canada.”[SUP][9]](Farhat Hashmi - Wikipedia)

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She runs an extension of Al Huda in Canada, that's what wiki says and that's the last I heard of her. I heard she's become quite the controversy out there.

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Wearing gloves aye. Why didn't I think of that.

By that logic they can shake hands with men and anything else that's haraam with this nifty invention they call "Gloves".

Farhat, I'm in love with her already.

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Actually I remember being in school with a girl who did proper hijab and wore gloves and she shook hands with guys when the professional need arose.

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Umm hmm. But you don't know how she rationalized that. Maybe she thought it was a compromise she had to make. Perhaps she thought refusing a handshake would be too rude. Or she didn't know it was haraam.

You don't know she believed it to be Halal, unless of course she told you that this was she believed.

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If you can't change the wife ,CHANGE the wife :)

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I live in Toronto and have never even heard of this lady. Are we sure she is in fact a lady? She sounds like she's a man in disguise trying to preach oolta seeda baat to women.

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I'd be interested to know if any follower of Farhat Hashmi has allowed/compelled her husband to take a 2nd wife?

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Good morning Mrs. Hashmi | Macleans.ca - Canada - Features

Further On Mrs. Hashmi
Sharmeen Obaid Chinoy made some documentary on this as well. Same article below on Obaid’s website with a pic of this lady.

Good Morning Mrs. Hashmi, Macleans  | Sharmeen Obaid Films

I have no clue where she is now or what she’s doing. The last controversy I heard was in 2006/7 regarding her illegal stay in Canada, and Canada’s persistence on her leaving. I did not know that ISNA of all organizations paid for this lady’s salary. That’s an eye opener. But since then I don’t know where she is, whether she is still in Canada or moved back to Karachi. She would hold her classes in Karachi, and it was CRAZY, I met so many young educated smart girls from middle/upper class families, and they were HOOKED on this woman. I have seen first hand of what it’s done to my cousin, it’s NOT healthy.

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Heh, prolly not.

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I am so getting a second wife if that were to happen to me. A young 20 year old who is modern and hip. Upset the first wife on multiple levels.

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Daughters of Al Huda – The Express Tribune

And another article with very interesting comments from people who have been part of Farhat Hashmi’s group. :rolleyes:

Actually, I shouldn’t give this weirdo much publicity, she has done enough damage as it is to people.