Just to Add CE if you dunt mind that once you turn gay from being even a non practising muslim.. you automatically fall outa the folds of Islam because you in Direct Denying the words of Allah SWT when Allah says in Quraan to lean a lesson from previous nations i.e. in this case the nation of Loot AS. where it was destroyed cos one of their major sin was homosexuality. and thus, now if you do the same act ... you in consequnce are denying the Hukm - order of Allah Almighty... and Denying Allahs Hukm is Kufr itself.
The Holy Quran also tells us not to murder or to fornicate.
I'm no Shaykh but you my dearies are amateurs when it comes to religious knowledge...
Ask any aalim, scholar, imam, cleric, maulana, sheikh that "Is a person who has gay sex whilst acknowledging it as a sin a Kaafir?" then come back to me.
atleast there's always hope for the girl/guy who "sluts around" to find the right path and ask for forgiveness. What hope is there for the gay person to find the right path?
atleast there's always hope for the girl/guy who "sluts around" to find the right path and ask for forgiveness. What hope is there for the gay person to find the right path?
How do you know there's no hope for gay people? Many gay people have renounced their gay actions, they can't control their feelings but they can choose not to act upon them.
Many straight women act all shareef and naik in real life but flirt with guys on GS and continue to secretly slut around all their lives, who's to say they will ever be guided.
First of all this thread is about Gay Muslims thts what we are discussing here not murderers. not bf/gf relationships so lets stick to the topic yeah?
As far as the word Kafir is concerned the Definition of it is a non believer. So I'm guessing if u do anything against Islam and its teachings u becomes a Kafir? unless u acknowledge ur wrong doings ask for forgiveness and follow the right path. am I wrong?
I didn't understand any of the Urdu u just said, but seems like where going in circles go back an read properly instead of being so RUDE u will find ur answers
I realy dispair of the homophobia that afflicts Pakistanis. If the guy is gay, its his business, not yours. But we can't help but interfere. People just don't turn Gay, because they live in the west.
Its not like Pakistanis have no other problem, but we persist with this non-issue.
Well, there's** no such thing as a GAY Muslim**. Either u r gay...or...a Muslim.
Kapeesh.
FBI: ps. i dunt know where some people get their intellect from, esp muslims .. cant they bloody think for themselves ..that islam forbids such acts and then they come out with these terms 'gay muslims' what is wrong with these people .. one reason i think of is that is the western influence .. where these gorey want to destroy islam and turn everyone into thmeselves like low lifes, no religion, no belief, no izzat no hayaa etc ..and funny enough .. the ignorant - ignorant of Islamis Knowledge .. just follw what the west says ..
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I 2nd this.
According to you guys if someone's gay they can't be a Muslim. What about people who drink and gamble? These activities are forbidden in Islam too. Are such individuals kafirs too? If yes, why don't we react in the same way towards these people? Why dont we show equal hatred? What about men who sleep around with various women before marriage unko to maa baap ghar se nahin nikalte. Why? Is it ok to go against Islam there? When parents find out about their son's premarital sexual activites they tend to respond by saying " shadi kara do theek ho jai ga". What's that supposed to mean? Gay larkay ki bhi larkay se kara do phir. Why do desis have to have double standards.
why is it hard to believe that u can be gay and a muslim? does a muslim who drinks alcohol become a non-muslim if he thinks about alcohol? does someone who fantasises about doing it with someone whilst not being married (or whilst being married) become any less muslim?
Unless they actually commit the crime, they have not sinned... and even if they have sinned, its upto God to punish them.. we have no right to label anyone as a non-muslim... as thats very un-islamic of us to begin with.
as someone said, and they said it very well, hate the sin not the sinner
I can't believe you people can't understand something as simple as the difference between a Kafir and a Fasiq/Fajir.
Such basic Islamic stuff and here you are giving lectures or baashans on Islam, hahahahaha..
well most people rely on three terms (perhaps wrongly and perhaps unprecise but it works): muslim(momins, general obeyers), munafiq (grey area, commit major sins but god is ultimate judge) and kafir (includes quranic description of munafiq + all non believers)
its you who has used the term kafir more then anyone else, and if you knew these other terms (fasiq/fajir) why didnt you use them?
all other posters have refrained from directly calling anyone kafir
According to you guys if someone's gay they can't be a Muslim. What about people who drink and gamble? These activities are forbidden in Islam too. Are such individuals kafirs too? If yes, why don't we react in the same way towards these people? Why dont we show equal hatred? What about men who sleep around with various women before marriage unko to maa baap ghar se nahin nikalte. Why? Is it ok to go against Islam there? When parents find out about their son's premarital sexual activites they tend to respond by saying " shadi kara do theek ho jai ga". What's that supposed to mean? Gay larkay ki bhi larkay se kara do phir. Why do desis have to have double standards.
some unislamic practices have become accepted in some sections of our society. doesnt mean they are acceptable in islam