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^ true say
now here's a question for you folks, is ok to befriend a gay person? i mean there are way more non-gay people you can be friends with. unless all you want is a "male" friend...
^ i personally would never b frds wid 'em.....
its like asking 'would you be frds wid who is openly and proudly committing a sin'....
well No i wont!
that was the only reason i broke up with one of my muslim friend when i noticed and questioned her if she is 'lesb'
sorry i dont want to be judged cuz of her.....
not at all you have to read dapakiguy's post that started my posts on this angle.
that is not my argument, I am merely saying that dapakiguy's argument was not proper.
look its easy to jump on the look look what modern people are doing bandwagon, its easy. seen it done in pakistan all the time. and sorry but .000001% of the population aint responsible for all the non islamic crap that is in the pakistani culture.
I have not encouraged any act in this thread, I dont recall anywhere where I have justified that lifestyle.
aren't you being a tad bit like those people you love laughing at i.e mullahs? instead of saying something against what is obviously immoral and fast becoming an accepted trend , you are sitting here finding holes in arguments that are against it? come up with a better one yourself if you find his weak. not all bad things can be wiped off the face of the earth but when something is being established every voice counts. instead of wasting your voice on the critiquing of argument i just think it would be better to utilize it on snubbing an evil act. my two cents.
straight people get hiv also. it is not exclusively shamil in homosexuals population
fraudz, i gotta admit once again (after many years), you're still the best poster on this board.
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no way am i advocating homosexuality here...
but if you won't be friends with someone b/c they're gay, then surely none of you are friends wiht people who:
are dating (whether parents know or not).
regularly go to clubs and parties
wear revealing clothes (well mostly for the gals)
eat non-halal food on a regular basis.
who treat others like dirt and gossip about them...
Right?
well shahi muhalla is not whole of pakistan..rite? its also .00000001% of the population and thus can easily be ignored or even accepted just like gays and other stuff.
as for acceptable behavior of others towards gays…well every trend starts with a small non-significant change and that change becomes part of culture / society as the number grows and then becomes solution for some and problem for others. look at extremism in Pakistan. its now a huge problem but was it always a problem of this magnitude? consistence ignorance (by many) and acceptance (by few in the beginning) helped it to creep into our society and now its threatening not just Pakistan but most of the world. we people have the tendency of ignoring pretty much everything and anything as long as it does not affect us or the ones near and dear to us. it becomes a problem only when it affects us.
no way am i advocating homosexuality here...
but if you won't be friends with someone b/c they're gay, then surely none of you are friends wiht people who:
are dating (whether parents know or not).
regularly go to clubs and parties
wear revealing clothes (well mostly for the gals)
eat non-halal food on a regular basis.
who treat others like dirt and gossip about them...
Right?
wrong dont you think? what you are saying is when you can't do all of it do not bother with any of it. if that was any criteria islam would be extinct since nobody is doing all of it. small steps, start with what ever you find easy keeping in mind a bigger aim. two wrongs do not make a right sara , i am a bit surprised at you.
well shahi muhalla is not whole of pakistan..rite? its also .00000001% of the population and thus can easily be ignored or even accepted just like gays and other stuff.
as for acceptable behavior of others towards gays...well every trend starts with a small non-significant change and that change becomes part of culture / society as the number grows and then becomes solution for some and problem for others. look at extremism in Pakistan. its now a huge problem but was it always a problem of this magnitude? consistence ignorance (by many) and acceptance (by few in the beginning) helped it to creep into our society and now its threatening not just Pakistan but most of the world. we people have the tendency of ignoring pretty much everything and anything as long as it does not affect us or the ones near and dear to us. it becomes a problem only when it affects us.
Wellsaid !! ^^
At one of my previous jobs, this gay guy I knew from next building asked me “have you seen my husband?” That had me wondered for the first time how things (roles) work for them 
wrong dont you think? what you are saying is when you can't do all of it do not bother with any of it. if that was any criteria islam would be extinct since nobody is doing all of it. small steps, start with what ever you find easy keeping in mind a bigger aim. two wrongs do not make a right sara , i am a bit surprised at you.
My point was: if someone won't be friends with a gay person b/c they are living an unIslamic lifestyle, then will they subject the rest of your friends to the same judgment? I'm talking about people who'se lifestyles include any or all the things I listed, not the ones who occasionally err.
Hate the sin and not the sinner.....
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Hate the sin and not the sinner.....
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I don't really understand this logic. Is it same like hate the rape and not the rapist or Hate the killing and not the killer. Hate the lie and not the liar.
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^ exceptions exist :halo:
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I thought i posted this in the life and relationship section, not the religion one.
What a disappointment.
its weird, how u guys can badmouth ur MIL or talk about ur gf/bf or other significants here and be ok with it and have so much hatred towards the gay.
I see so much immaturity in this thread.
In reference to not being friends with a gay person: If you guys befriend someone and dont know hes gay, i bet u guys wont find out unless he tells u. You cant tell who is gay by the way they act certainly unless they are in the fashion industry (or work in a retail).
and zobo hunny, straight people get HIV too. Whomever is infected passes it on the other person by having an intercourse. So it doesnt matter whether they are gay or straight.
sigh
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There is nothing wrong with being friends with someone who is gay...FULL STOP. Yes fine their actions may be a sin but can you honestly say all the people you are friends with are perfect. Sara516 you hit the nail on the head with your post! Totally agree with you. Who are we to judge others in the first place, let them live their lives the way you want and live your own the way you want. If they choose to live their life in that way its upto them, ont he day of judgement allah will see to them as he feels necessary, why get your own knickers in a twist over it.
I thought i posted this in the life and relationship section, not the religion one.
What a disappointment.
its weird, how u guys can badmouth ur MIL or talk about ur gf/bf or other significants here and be ok with it and have so much hatred towards the gay.
I see so much immaturity in this thread.
In reference to not being friends with a gay person: If you guys befriend someone and dont know hes gay, i bet u guys wont find out unless he tells u. You cant tell who is gay by the way they act certainly unless they are in the fashion industry (or work in a retail).
and zobo hunny, straight people get HIV too. Whomever is infected passes it on the other person by having an intercourse. So it doesnt matter whether they are gay or straight.
sigh
just bcos you posted something in life and relationship forum doesn't mean that it becomes acceptable and perfectly ok. if someone opens a thread in cafe' about killing or blowing up someone to pieces, do you think that it will not be taken seriously simply because it is posted in cafe'...?
about badmouthing MIL or talking about BF/GF...what does that have to do with not liking gays? a person can love / hate anyone he or she likes / dislikes based on any/many reasons. just because you love gay guys does not means that all of a sudden whatever they do have become permissable both religiously and socially and you are bound to hating or liking people based on your outlook towards them.
the only immature person i see in this thread is you and the likes of you who think that everyone should see the world through their eyes and understand the world through their mind. i'm sure there are many things / people in your life you hate for many reasons. similarly you'll be aware of people who adore or admire the same people. so just because you hate them, should others start to hate them too? why not you start loving them because others love them. don't think you'll be able to do that because you have your reasons. and similarly others have theirs.
as for being friends with them, well knowingly a person won't be friends with them if he/she has reservations about them and their lifestyles. what would you do if you are friends with someone you thought was very caring and sensitive towards you only because he wanted to get into your pants [as you so elegantly put it in your post]...will you still remain friends with that guy? will you still see him in the same light as before..? you have already said in your initial post that gays are better simply because they don't try to get into your pants if you are a girl. we straight guys don't like gays simply because gays like to get into the pants of other guys. even if they just, for most part, think only, that still makes it as much wrong as a guy thinking about getting into your pants.
last part about HIV...yes many straight ppl have HIV too...does that make it an acceptable thing in gays? no...and also chances of gays infected with HIV is far more than straight people. but then no one really said anything about hating people who have HIV. its their gayness that is not liked by many.
so, if you want to be friends with them...sure be the queen of gays...but don't enforce your opinions and their gayness on others. you stated your opinion by admiring them for reasons acceptable to you...other simply did the same by sharing their opinion and reasons.
There is nothing wrong with being friends with someone who is gay...FULL STOP. Yes fine their actions may be a sin but can you honestly say all the people you are friends with are perfect. Sara516 you hit the nail on the head with your post! Totally agree with you. Who are we to judge others in the first place, let them live their lives the way you want and live your own the way you want. If they choose to live their life in that way its upto them, ont he day of judgement allah will see to them as he feels necessary, why get your own knickers in a twist over it.
don't think there is any need to be reason with you after reading that bold part. it will be a lot easier to let you shine in your maybe sin world. however i am eager to know what else you think comes under MAY BE A SIN category...
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Well I don't think she is enforcing her opinion on anyone.
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So I used to work in my undergrad days at a bookstore and had alot of coworkers. There was one guy who was the hardest worker there, and was the most gentle, caring and friendly person. He was actually the one that defended Islam, and even Pakistan the most when other goras would say something prejudiced. So after 2 years of leaving that place, another friend of mine told me they somehow found out he was gay (he was in a gay support rally on campus and they spotted him). Now I probably wont ever get to see him again he lives elsewhere but based on this new information, am I supposed to 'hate' him? Sorry but there was nothing about his 'lifestyle' at work that made me realize hes gay, so the point is, hes just like every other human being, and for that you need not HATE him! Live and let live, everyones Gods creation and not abomination; treat others nicely and be treated nicely.
p.s. no he never tried to get into mine or anyone else's pants, my first post here was merely a joke.
Well I don't her enforcing her opinion on anyone.
you don't her what?