Gay Adoption

Fairy,

You are a compassionate, loving, and kind individual. Kudo's to you for not allowing others' bigotry to cloud your mind of God's love and justice. And further kudo's for educating yourself about these subjects, especially from a scientific/medical point of view. Too often people are dismissive of these issues, but as mankind has always progressed, we too will reach a point where it becomes common knowledge. I just abhor waiting so long!

Since it's obvious you know little about psychology, I suggest you read about Kohlberg's Levels of Moral Development. People who base their morals SOLELY on dogma(religion), are at a LOWER level of moral development than adults that follow a HIGHER level of morality which weigh situations pertaining to their circumstances, as opposed to others who base their morals around an OUTSIDE source-- furthermore, an AUTO-AUTHORITATIVE source!

We should ALWAYS seek to understand these things (even in religion), from the context of our morality (hopefully it would be higher than simply relying on ancient dogma). If your morals are so easily controlled by the influence of others, it becomes not only disingenuous to the self, but thoroughly pitiful.

Whoah. I don't know what planet you're living on? In cases of rapists, child abusers, and murderers those people are infringing on the rights of OTHERS. They DENY others their rights and FORCE something onto their BODIES that they reject. Homosexuality is CONSENSUAL, and thus no one is physically harmed. Just because some people get their panties in a twist over two men kissing in public does NOT mean they are being harmed. If I punched you in the face, that would be harming you. Making out with another girl in front of you is not harming you.

And alcoholics and drug addicts are just that, ADDICTS. It's a MEDICAL condition. This is so incredibly laughable! Do you seek to insult cancer patients the same? LOL!!!!

I suggest you look back to what post you responded to before my response. Allowing gays to adopt being "counter productive," is indeed punishing them. "Teaching them a lesson," and punishment are the same.

Who are you to gauge the possibility of the "victimization," of children that have gay parents? Please provide any statistics you have about this. I already provided well known information concerning the rate of MURDER and RAPE in group homes. But yes, you obviously prefer that children brave the probability of murder and rape than to be raised by gay parents.

Because that's exactly what denying gay's to adopt accomplishes. Childless parents and dead or traumatized children.

Definitely not a view I associate with Islam.

Are you serious? No, seriously, are you serious? My jaw hit the floor. I'm so incredibly baffled that you would really think this. Oh my God. Seriously? You REALLY think that homosexuality means pedophilia? REALLY? They have NOTHING to do with each other WHATSOEVER.

Omg. Wow. We REALLY need some serious educational reform here. Just so you know, MOST rapists are heterosexual men. Even MOST of male rape victims are raped by HETEROSEXUAL men. And MOST pedophiles are HETEROSEXUAL MEN! Even MOST acts of pedophilia committed by an adult the same gender as the child are committed by HETEROSEXUALS! Pedophilia is a sexual attraction to CHILDREN. Homosexuality is a sexual attraction to ADULTS of the SAME sex. The two have absolutely NOTHING to do with each other.

Normal means average. That's ALL it means. It does not denote positive or negative, until bigots try to assign such a value to it. My IQ is above average, does that make me abnormal and therefore bad? Hilarious!

This is just so incredibly sad that someone would seriously think that homosexuals by default would rape their child.

People often resort to slandering anothers religious dedication or "adherence," to one's ethnic heritage when they have nothing to back up their argument. It's further unfortunate that those people are often the one's that know so little about their own faith, or furthermore do not practice the faith as they should.

Allah will judge them for judging you. And Allah knows what is in our hearts (though these fools think that they can judge us when Allah is the only one to do so!). They elevate themselves to the position of Allah and commit a great sin-- but of course they do not recognize this and instead damn us for believing in the love and mercy of Allah, and trying to emphasis it in our own opinions and practices.

I have a firm conviction that compassion and kindness carry far more weight than hate and bigotry. Don't let these self-righteous haraam police weigh you down.

Wait. Your justification for why there is no adoption in Islam is because the children may be raped? What about the high number of biological children that are raped or abused by their biological parents? According to you, Allah shouldn't allow that either.

P.S. a child is less likely to be abused by their adopted parents than a biological child is to be abused by their biological parent. Kind of throws your logic right out, doesn't it?

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PakiFairy - what is between you and Allah SWT is definitely between you and Him.. however Allah SWT also commands us to direct those who sin or act in the manner of sinning towards the straight path. We're all giving a point of view.. like you said.. if your opinion is such then thats your opinion.. May Allah guide you in retrospect to what your telling us but as Muslim brothers and sisters we have a duty to guide you to what the Quran really states. Then again, Allah SWT also commands that "Hidaayah is given to those who ASK for it".. so if you have your mind-set on believing that stuff should be portrayed using modern Tech then well I guess your a little way ahead of your game. Things are always going to be portrayed the way they have been in the Quran since 1400 yrs ago. Not one person can change that because Allah himself is protecting His Book!
Yes Modern Science has come a LONG way but you have to realize the fact that even scientists these days end up agreeing to what Islam and the Quran states about science and has stated for centuries. You might support Gays and all.. thats ur prerogative and if you cant understand why we are fearful then may Allah guide you to the straight path! Ameen! but please dont sit here and ask us to believe what your trying to convey because it makes no sense WHATSOEVER!

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& matineeSiren.. we are NOT haraam police for your kind info.. maybe you should analyse yourself before you make such remarks!

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LOL @ haraam police

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^ LOL yeah i cudnt help but laugh myself..

Bless you Mystical rain , very well explained .

Matinee and Pakifairy , the purpose is not to degrade you or doubt your religion , and I believe majority of the people here are speaking with alot more respect and positivity compared to a few of your posts.

Like Mystical rain said , we muslims should remain united, your interpretation of the Quran is very different to majority of us and surely if I was in your place I would try to understand what other muslims are saying and from what perspective .. its ok if you then still decide to stick to your opinion.. thats between Allah and you ...

Matinee you were asking how gays are harming us ? ....by infringing the rights of single women ... every time two men decide to become a couple, two women somewhere are left without a man to marry and it wont be shocking if this gay and lesbian trend continues , that will be the end of humanity.

they are harming the human reproduction, sex isnt just made for pleasure you know , its there for a purpose ... otherwise why would Allah give us such strong concepts of marriage and family. Gays are there to have each other's bodies for pleasure alone and THAT is harming humanity big time.

In a business organization, everyone is given goals..
Those who touch those goals are given promotions and bonuses
Those who are just there to do the working hours but dont touch the goals are allowed to work but NEVER get the promotions and bonuses ....
Gays are like those people who dont touch the goals

.......eventually you guys are arguing with us that we should still consider them good managers and continue to give them promotions and bonuses regardless of whether they give the company something in return or not ...

Hope this makes sense ...

May Allah keep all of us muslims united in faith.

This FORUM is Really FUNNY.

Nobody including me said Gay encoruages or gay adoption right people will go to Hell.

To the accusers, matine siren, paki-fairy, if you check your knoweldge of relgion.

WE ARE ONLY RE-PEATING TO YOU THE WHAT GOD HAS ALREADY JUDGED ON THESE TYPE OF PEOPLE.
ITS HAS NOW BEEN MADE CLEAR TO ALL OF U THAT GOD AND PROPHET MOHAMMAD (PBUH) HAS HAVE OUTRIGHTLDY SAID HOMSEXUAKITY IS HARAM! ITS A BIG WRONG AND BIG SINFUL THING. ONE OF THE WORSEST SINS INFACT.

FORGET ABOUT LOGIC ,OPINIONS, SCIENCE. IF START DEBTAING ON THESE WE WUD BE HERE ALL DAY. BUT THANKFULLY THIS IS ONE ASPECT THAT ALLAH HAS ALREADY MADE CLEAR ABOUT, SO ALLAHS WORDS OVER-RULE ALL OUR OPNIONS, PHYSCOLOGY, SCIENCE.

IS THERE ANY WORDS, COMMANDS, MORE ACCURATE THAN= ALLAHS. WHAT UR DOING NOW THAT YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE PROOF, YOU R ARGUEING WITH ALLAH. THATS ALL WE R TELLING U!

I HAVE READ ANOTHER HADITH

WHERE THE PROPHET (PBUH) STATED:

''THERE IS NO CURE IN ANYTHING DECLARED HARAM BY ALLAH''

THEREFORE IF WE HAVE GOT GOOD ENDS/INTENTIONS WE SHOULD ALSO ONLY SEEK TO FIND HALAL MEANS TO ACHIVE THEM.

NOBODY HERE IS BIGOT.

IF YOU SEE ME DRINKING ALCOHOL OR KILLING PEOPLE, YOU HAVE THE DAMN RIGHT INFACT DUTY TO TELL ME I SHOULD STOP DOING THIS BECAUSE ITS A MAJOR SIN,- AS FORETOLD BY ALLAH IN HIS BOOK-AND CONSISTANCY IN DOIN THIS IS LEADING ME TO HELL!

THERE IS NO PREDIJUICE OR DISCRIMINATION IN THIS!

AND IF YOU HAVE EVER STUDDIED ECONOMICS, YOU REALISE ONE BASIC THING, WHICH IS THAT EVEN ACTIONS OF PURE SELF-INTEREST, THAT SEEMINGLY HAVE NO INFLUENCE OTHERS, MANY A TIME DO HAVE EXTERNAL EFFECTS ON SOCIETY.

CIGRETTER SMOKING IT NOT ONLY HARMFUL TO THE SMOKER. IT CREATES THE NEGATIVE EFFECT OF PASSIVE SMOKING ON OTHERS, DRINKING ALCHOL IS NOT ONLY HARMFUL TO THE DRINKER, IT CAUSES CRIME, DOMESTIC PROBLEMS, VIOLENCE.
OTHER BAD ACTIVITIES HAVE SIMILAR SOCIAL EFFECTS ETC ETC. HOPE U GET IT.

WHY DONT U READ UP ON NATIONAL STATISTICS, OF THE COST TO THE GOVERMENT OF NEGATIVES KNOCK-ON EFFECTS SUCH ACTIVITES.

DONT ASSUME U R THE ONLY EDUCATED PEOPLE HERE.
ALHUMDULILLAH WE ALL HAVE SOUND EDUCATION.

BUT WE PUT RELIGION AND ALLAH FIRST BEFORE ANYTHING. AND RIGHTLY SO.

STUPID PEOPLE.

"you think" is not good enough. stats show that most gay people come from straight parents. you will also see that militants and

This..no "adoption" is islam only means that the child you are raising that is not biologically yours automatically does not get the same rights and status as your biological child would. whether its mehram status or inheritence rights.

Islam does not say dont take care of orphans, it does not say dont bring them in your homes and dont raise them, it sets specific guidelines. and islamic view of "adoption" is similar to what we may call "fostercare" where a legal relationship does not exist.

but..

that does not prevent a fosterparent from sexually abusing a fosterchild and you are back to square one. plus the blanket statement of "islam does not allow adoption for that reason" is false.

The prophet raised somone as well, and if we step away from semantics of adoption and fostercare and look at the result which is, some child who is biologically not yours is being raised by you in your home. whether you are a legal guardian of this child, or foster parent or adopted parent,...whatever name you give it. Its a kid born to someone else, being raised by someone else.

Thanks for signing off with your real name ;)

May be right now I'm not in a mood to understand well or pay attention. I read but not paying attentin to your post yeah I agree with you. I most of the time balkay always find your post logical and agree with your way of understanding and explaining

I agree. We have to do adoption if kid has no parents but when good parents he have or may be normal and don't have money then we have to give them money to raise their kid in that case I won't say adoption is good.

But when the kid doens't hav parents died or left yeah then we have to adopt them and raise them.

But again instead of giving to the gays we can find ungay adopters too and that wood be better for the kid.

For abuse as I heard sometimes own father abuse own mother could abuse too so could stranger adopters too. We can't stop that yeah but more chance being abused by strangers then own father and mother.

Depends on %tage own parents have less percent of abuse then other and it would become higher with gay.

If you argued something else and I said something else then sorry. As my brain don't want to work right now. Let me know if wrote something else.

I'll try to read your post later when I'll come to my senses and post.

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X2 I like your inshight about things and way to explain and everything. I admire your posting.

yaaar ab meri post koi pink floyd ka gana toh naheen hai thet u have to be tunn to get into it :D
I was simply stating that adoption/fostercare is allowed and it would have unrelated adults be in-charge of minors.

for much of the adoption work, people have to go through a fairly stringent process that is to weed out bad apples. the process inludes series of meetings and intereviews by specially trained case workers..this is known as a homestudy, they try to understand motivations for adoption, look for mental and emotional readiness for adoption, the relatonship quality between the adopting couple. Then there is financial readiness review, then they look at your living conditions and see if its a suitable atmosphere for a kid, then you have local, state and federal background checks to search for any criminal records.

its not foolproof, but it is enough to weed out most unsuitable people

this is not directly related to the post but thought I would share what I know so people have a better idea of the checks and balances in place.

thankoo sarkar

You are welcome but who is sar kar.

I don't have sir neither do car. That's why I talk like without sir and pair. lol

If I had a choice and if i was the orphan, I would rather starve to death and be abused for the rest of my life than be brought up by gay parents.