Gay Adoption

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Re: Gay Adoption

All gay people do not have sex through the rectum! That is a statement that needs to be addressed. I will address the rest of your post after class. Peace.

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Definitely.

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Paki-Fairy

your admanet nature, really makes me laugh, honestly.
no offence r u really muslim lady.
or are someone else.

Your opinions to current science, tolerance towads gays and that are totally valid.

But i must say your intrpretations of koran, are unfortunetly totally wrong.

Being musims our culture, lives morals and ethics are based from the fundementals of religion.
The meaning of being muslim is to submit, We accept instruction from the higher being who has more knowledge than us on what is good and what is not good for us.
Many of the logic and benefits of these laws/rules are clear to us, some of these are ot so clear.

Im sorry to say the people who are the authority on the Koranic intrpretation, i,e the Scholars, past and present, and whose intrpretations are worthy most valid as said by Allah himself, after the Prophets, are in strict disagreement with your points on Homosexuality.
Many of thee scholars are not only arabic tranlators, but profesionals, and experts in the fields of medicine, phsycology, science, language, history, i.e Dr Zakir Naik, or Ibbn Qayyum of former times, who all hold the point in line with the koranic passge and corespoinding hadiths of Prophet Lut that Homsexuality is prohibited.

Therefore wheter we understand it or not, we must aceept that as muslims.
Unlike other religions, Islam is not a religion where you can make something Halal that has been pre-determined Haram by Allah, or vice versa, without ending up in deep trouble - i.e Hell.

Do you know how much science is there in this book called the Koran, most if this to the people 1400 years ago would have looked crazy (nz). Accordin go thier logic they should have rejected it.

But the ones who were patient, and submiited, thier patience has been proven worthy now that the science has affirmed correct these issues.

I dont want to get into scientifc debate over koran. Im aware there are some misundterstud controversies, which if you look a somebodies work like 'dr zakir naik', would become clearer. Inspite this the majority of science foretold in the koran, has been affirmed and proven correct by modern science-( especiallly the stages of embryology), so again there is very less room to suspect of errors or confusions in intrepretations.

We muslims and rightly so are very stubborn and strict on our fundemental beliefs and nothing you say is going to change that.

Thier is no room for modification or manoevere for somethings why dont u understand that. Are you not a muslim? Becos no muslim says that Allahs Clear Laws are outdated.

Nobody wants Gay people to be persecuted or harmed here. All we are saying is that it is haram, unnatural, and disliked by society, so we dont prefer its encouragement and spread of influence in society in anyway, One of which being is by giving Gay adoption rights.

And pls dont tell me its normal, if Gay Couple is not unatural and not going agsint nature then plese tell me why cannot Gay couples reproduce?

God sent down Eve for Adam, becos Adam needed Eve, he dint need another Adam.

and personaly speaking, if u havnt got any medical problem, why in the world would you choose to adopt rather than have a normal child with your husband.

WHAT IS THE WORLD COMING TOO.

Im am not positng any mor eon thsi topic.

I havea feeling this paki-fairy is deliberating leading us on.

Otherwise i know i shudnt be saying this but i think you are a really bad muslim.

Thanks Bye

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Amir , spot on man … hit on the nerve … :hug:

I seriously agree with you that this is a deliberate leading on by Pakifiry , because this conversation has become more of how to interpret Quran rather then gays !! :no:

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What an analogy. There is no such thing as "teaching them lesson". Didn't you just make it up? It was merely pointing out the obvious and was well said by DD.

Gays will be victimizing little minds by twisting their minds in their ways.

Khud To Doobengay, Tum Ko Bhi Le Doobangay!.....Kind of act by adopting children.

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Re: Gay Adoption

I think that X2 has a good point here, plus we should keep the conversation more secular so people from all faiths (if there are indeed non-Muslims on this website) can participate ..so lets not get religious on this thing ...shall we.

here is my simple take ..

  1. Homosexuality is a mental/social disorder.

  2. A child suffers in orphanage so much so that many o times, he/she gets subjected to homosexual/heterosexual assaults in orphanage by caretakers, by senior orphans or others. In Pakistan, yateem kahanas have history of turning into boy prostitution brothels. I can guarantee you that situation may not be too different even in the Western world.

If we compare 1 with 2 .. I think that a boy is safe in a gay home than in a male brothel ..at least his parents are not going to rape him ...

but 2 wrongs cannot make a right. So it is up to govt to decide whether gay couples can adopt a kid or not. If not then govt should work on foster parents system .. where a kid gets raised in a straight couple home with govt funding.

My 2 cents

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How could abnormals raise a normal child for the society?

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I mean how could two abnormals raise a normal child. wouldn't they rape him or her?

No matter if ppls are normal or not Islam doesn't allow adoption to save child who knows what is the purpose of adoption.

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Islam does allow to adopt lesser of an evil to save someone from a bigger evil. Alcohol is allowed if that is the only choice of medicine left, eating pig is allowed if person is literally dying of hunger..

What I said about gay adoption is just in comparison. I was not justifying that. Just saying that if we are left with choice between 2 evils, Islam does permit to adopt the lesser evil.

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To tell you the truth I haven't read a single post in this thread just posted my thousand cents. lol

I agree with you.

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Chick-of Biryani thanks 4 ur support :wink:

to Director and all others

R There really that many gay couples in Muslim Pakistan?? Im Shocked

Its shocking

And to paki-fairy if u really are a pakistani muslim girl.

I FEAR for u the most. U dnt seem to have much value or importance for Islamic rulings.

I mean this is not a light aspect of islam you can argue or manoeuevre on.

If not For Gods sake atleast for your own benefits sake dont try to persuade yourself that an ordained Haram is Halal.
By doing this you are denying Gods word.

Do u know the punishmnets of this?

I duuno for sure and im know one to verdict, but i have heard/read that denying any law or even one ayat of Allahs book to be valid (For all times), takes the person outside the fold of islam into kufr.

May Allah keep us all away from this sin.

Im sorry Fairy-u seem like a nice person.

But we all sometimes have issues with religion we dont get/fully comprehend, but we gotto ‘submit’ we cant stand agsint God u understand. (Very Very often the answers come out with time)

Otherwise he gets ANGRY, and we go to HELL.

HAVE SOME FEAR SISTER.

FEAR ALLAH WHILE U HAVE TIME. FIX URSELF

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So who you are Fing is the cretaria for being a parent...Interesting
This thread is offensive on so many levels but yeah mods will never see this!!

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I feel your post is more offensive then the thread really !

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I agree that this whole thread is just incredible offensive. Especially peopole questioning my faith which is between me and Allah (SWT) ONLY. It is an insane sin to judge others and where they are going, that is left to Allah (SWT) and Him only. By me saying I am not going to take away rights from others is not me saying they are going to heaven OR hell. You guys are deeming a group of people to hell, etc, etc. It is incredibly wrong.

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really?

if we are going to use religion angle to say this lifestyle is wrong, not allowed, and its prohibited, why are we then forgetting religion angle on what to do with gays.

here it is as a refresher.

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what I see is that people are using religion angle to say Gay lifestyle is haram,

but then why ignore another hadeeth which basically lays out the punishment for this lifestyle being death/execution.

or at that point you guys political correctness engine kicks in, or you realize that in some places that is considered hate speech so then religion conveniently takes a back seat to religious views and hadeeth.

I dont know. you tell me.

Dating
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the same way "normals" raise abnormals, whether your definition of abnormals is gay, or when we see decent parents raise extremists, criminals and gangsters.

so by your logic if 2 gay men adopt a boy they may rape him? how is the possibility of that any different from a regular couple adopting a girl and the man raping her.

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Answer for 1st para is that is rare I think.

Not gay is abnormal but what they do is abnormal to me. Agree with las sentenc of first para. but again it's rare.

2nd Para

Both is same that is why no adoption by Islam.

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As I mentioned even heterosexual couples need extreme scrutiny before they come forward to adopt a child. Gays should be disqualified at first step.

Above post mentioned no adoption in Islam, before I could post.

So here it is. **Adoption should not be considered a joke at all. **Regardless by who with what sexual orientation.

Orphanage may be better than being adopted by people with evil acts performed upon the adopted children.

About abuse of orphans in orphanage, this means that orphans need to be monitored closely just like the senior citizen homes/nursing homes or shelters for homeless.

An individual house or multiple homes are difficult to be monitored but an orphanage can be monitored with better methods.

Families (related to or not related to the child) can sponsor orphan with monitory support to orphanage in addition to government help so orphans can be educated/trained as a skilled person and become useful members of society without being bound to places like gay house with all the baggage attached.

Once an orphan gets to be adult, he/she can be married to the person of opposite sex (even from the same orphanage) and start an independent life. Examples can be found of this I am confident.

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Protecting whom exactly? Protecting children in orphanages or foster care who are twice as likely to be killed, 10x as likely to suffer physical abuse, and 28x more likely to suffer sexual abuse and rape? Who exactly are you protecting? Certainly not those children!

This is paranoia based on an ignorant slippery slope. There have been many societies in the world that accepted and tolerated homosexuals and they have not died out (look at Greece, still kickin' quite well aren't they?).

No, you are not trying to discourage being gay, you are seeking ways to punish them. If you are a bigot, there's no way to white wash that bigotry. A bigot is a bigot, regardless of what methods they seek to oppress others.

You fail to understand that by preventing gay adoption, you are FORCING children to remain in these dangerous situations and FORCING them to a life without parents. Some people unfortunately do NOT consider the consequences of their bigotry.

Isn't it interesting that this bigotry based in these biases is the fuel for hate, which in turn becomes the fuel for violence, and thus DEATH? Ponder that for a moment, though I'm sure those who opt to demean others due to their self righteous self image won't consider anything said here.

If anything, it would be preferable that bigots weren't allowed to reproduce, so we could rid the world of such intolerance. But then, I'm not a bigot, and thus would never dream of even considering forcing people into such situations. Many on this forum however, are. Tsk.

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What a terrifying misconception some Muslims have. :(

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