Exactly!
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I suggest you reassess your considerations and think about what our Prophet (PBUH) would think of all this hatred you are spewing.
Pakifairy- YOU are the one that needs to study Islam....It is a well known fact that the Prophet PBUH had very very harsh words for homosexusals...
It was narrated by Jaabir (may Allah be pleased with him): "The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: 'There is nothing I fear for my ummah more than the deed of the people of Loot.'"
It was narrated that Ibn Abbaas said: “The Prophet Muhammed (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: "... cursed is the one who has intercourse with an animal, cursed is the one who does the action of the people of Loot."
It was narrated that Ibn Abbaas said: "The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: 'Whoever you find doing the deed of the people of Loot, kill the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.'"
Another Hadith narrative reports Muhammad (s) as having said, "No man should look at the private parts of another man, and no woman should look at the private parts of another woman, and no two men sleep [in bed] under one cover."
One narrative, attributed as part of Muhammad(s)'s farewell speech says, "Whoever has intercourse with a woman and penetrates her rectum, or with a man, or with a boy, will appear on the Last Day stinking worse than a corpse; people will find him unbearable until he enters hell fire, and God will cancel all his good deeds."
And from the Quran, please read:
Surat al-'Araf (7:81-84), Surat Hud (11:77-83), Surat al-Hijr (15:57-75), Surat al-Shu'ara (26:160-174), Surat al-Naml (27:54-58), and Surat al-Ankabut (29:28-35).
Pakifairy, Muhammad (s) was not tolerant to homosexuals....everyone knows that...you** can even wiki it!! Nor were any of the prophets....It is YOU who needs to open your mind, and educate yourself about Islam, about the stand Muhammad (s) has on homosexuality, and Allah (swt) has to say in the Quran about it. Homosexuality is not some "new" thing...it has been addressed by many many prophets before Muhammad (s)...**
*I don't understand why you are choosing ignore this, and then bringing Prophet PBUH into the discussion, and then preaching to us what Islam has to say about homosexuality when clearly you do not know what Islam has to say about homosexuality. *
Do yourself a favor and google Homosexuality and Islam...you will find that Muhammad (s) HIMSELF WAS NOT TOLERANT to homosexuals!!
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As for gay adoption, Allah knows best about that...Allah swt had some pretty harsh words for homosexuals...so I am going to refrain from even having an opinion on that matter....
Instead, I think that we should pray for our orphans, and sponsor them if we cannot adopt them, or even adopt them, or donate money to orphanges to make it a better place... instead of sitting here arguing about whether gay adoption should be okay or not.
Instead of promoting gay adoption, I think we should promote adoption in general within Muslim community- after all if each Muslim family even sponsored (not even adopted- because I understand that is hard to do ) an orphan we won't even be having this discussion.
Also I think we should also take into consideration about what the orphans' family would want for their child. In many Muslim countries, most parents would not want their child adopted by homosexuals or non- muslims....and that needs to be taken into consideration. After all, these parents passed away prematurally, and we should do everything possible to respect their wishes on how they would want their precious child to be raised.
First of all you are assuming that gender identity is static. In gay relationships there is a difference in roles that can clearly be established. Moreover, your idea of gender roles is very traditionalist and does not assume that these identities can be fluid. With that in thought there is absolutely no reason for a child to not get the necessary rearing from a gay or lesbian family. The only argument you have is contingent upon the idea that a **gay relationship is emotionally different than a heterosexual relationship **which is absolutely not true. The only thing the child will have to understand is that there are different types of relationships between man and woman, man and man, and woman and woman.
1- There is no assumption here.
Its something which is obvious.
Man with man and woman with woman is called gayism.
2- Identities can be fluid. Please explain.
What I get from other sentence is roles are established. A female surrogate and a male surrogate.
2-a: If yes, then the child will definitely be confused why physically speaking mommy is same as daddy. We are talking about children here.
In this same forum, a six year old was supposed to learn about sexual differences and the reason was to avoid confusion in the minds of little kids or create a clarity of mind at early age. While the idea was not so bad but the method was disputed by me.
2-b: If not, then what will child be left with? Not really female/male.
Result: More confusion!
3- Yes. Gay relationship is different than heterosexual relation. What's not true about it?
if you assume that race relations are similar to gender relations , you can equate it to interracial marriage. "Why does mommy not look like daddy?" All these things are based on the idea of *difference * and it is the bigotry which makes a distinction between this difference and creates this intersectionality of politics that targets the *new *"other". At the end of the day, if a child grows up in a loving and supportive environment with parents who happen to be gay, the only difference is that they will have that experience of having gay parents, nothing more.
No. The assumption is wrong. Female will be female and male will be male even in race relation . A static, constant and long lasting relation. Not fluid. Hence you will not see a psychological conflict developed in the child's mind.
Besides, we are talking about a disease of mind here. A very few percentage of people who are trying to have something which they themselves oppose to. Meaning, having an offspring. Its stealing the product of heterosexual relation and should be considered bigotry.
Lets not forget the child could be male or female and heterosexual in his/her destiny. More chances of that than the child be a gay as he/she grows up.
He or she may not even like the idea to be brought up in such an environment and may develop negative/hateful idea about the society which placed him or her in such a situation deliberately without his or her choice. The key word here is deliberately.
Power to the gay people
:BiB:
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"Meaning, having an offspring. Its stealing the product of heterosexual relation and should be considered bigotry."
LMAO LMAO LMAO. im just laughing at your bigotry here.
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I would like to stay neutral and refrain from making any comments about gay adoption but what I am finding highly disturbing in this thread is the abuse of religion. Not to offend anyone, supporters or anti-homosexuals, but as a Muslim, I am so offended by how Islam is being twisted in this discussion.
I understand when people raise arguments and disagree over stuff such as wearing nailpolish during wudu or something that is not mentioned in the Quran and alot of people don't find certain hadiths to be authentic or think the Mullahs or Imams have exaggerated stuff. Okay, fine. But when something is so clearly mentioned in the Quran and Allah swt HIMSELF says that look, those who chose to be gay, this is the punishment I gave them, how can anyone who has read Quran and is Muslim, ignore that? I even understand if it was mentioned in Hadith and people could have just said, 'well maybe it's not authentic' but holy Quran has never been changed, it's still how it was years and years ago.
Why do we stoop to low levels where we either distort what Allah swt has told us and keep on harping nonsense to make it sound like we are right while constantly bringing Almighty into it when we KNOW that is NOT what He said.
I think people should be honest and say, YOU KNOW WHAT, this is what I believe in and regardless of any religion, culture or beliefs, I AM going to stick to it. Please have that much dignity instead of involving Islam, Almighty Allah and his Prophet Muhammad PBUH in what is CLEARLY declared haram. Infact, if you want to keep bringing Allah swt and the Prophet PBUH into it then show verses from the Quran or any hadith which supports your argument or better, try to falsify those verses or hadiths which CLEARLY declare homosexuality to be haraam. If you can't do that then go on with your arguments but keep religion out of it.
As it is, Islam is misunderstood and misrepresented by so many, we don't need more people making false claims about our religion.
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The story of loot is deriving itself from a story, so naturally if someone is reading a story they must go backt o where the story took place and understand it within that context, that is cross-referencing.
Hussein Rashid writes
"All religious texts are open to interpretation and new readings. Our understanding of the text is not bound to a moment, nor is it fixed. It is dynamic and not in English."
for example:
God commands Muslims to beat their wives. At least, that's how many Islamophobes would describe verse 4:34 of the Qur'an. As we all know the verse states:
الرِّجَالُ قَوَّمُونَ عَلَى النِّسَاءِ بِمَا فَضَّلَ اللَّهُ بَعْضَهُمْ عَلَى بَعْضٍ وَبِمَا أَنفَقُوا مِنْ أَمْوَلِهِمْ فَالصَّلِحَتُ قَنِتَتٌ حَفِظَتٌ لِلْغَيْبِ بِمَا حَفِظَ اللَّه ُوَالتِي تَخَافُونَ نُشُوزَهُنَّ فَعِظُوهُنَّ وَاهْجُرُوهُنَّ فِي الْمَضَاجِعِ وَاضْرِبُوهُنَّ فَإِنْ أَطَعْنَكُمْ فَلَا تَبْغُوا عَلَيْهِنَّ سَبِيلًا إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ عَلِيًّا كَبِيرًا
Arrijālu qawwāmūna ʿalā annisā-i bimā faḍḍala Allahu baʿḍahum ʿalā baʿḍin wabimā anfaqū min amwālihim fa aṣṣaliḥatu qanitatun ḥafiẓatun lilghaybi bimā ḥafiẓa Allahu wa-allatī takhafūna nushūzahunna fa-ʿiẓūhunna wa-ahjurūhunna fī almadajiʿi wa-iḍribūhunna fa-in atʿanakum falā tabghū ʿalayhinna sabīlan inna Allaha kāna ʿaliyyan kabīran
The point being that just as neither Prophet Moses or Prophet Jesus spoke English, nor did Prophet Muhammad. The Qur'an is revealed in Arabic, so when someone says the Qur'an says something, and then quotes only the English, what he is saying is that they have chosen an interpretation of the Qur'an that fits his argument.
In 2008, Dr. Laleh Bakhtiar published a highly-heralded translation of the Qur'an called The Sublime Qur'an, partially in response to this verse. Her basic argument is many of the English translations suggest that the verb in the verse, "iḍribū," from the root "ḍ-r-b," is some version of "hit." She makes two critiques of this translation:
It contradicts another verse of the Qur'an where a wife is not to be mistreated by her husband.
The Prophet Muhammad, the example of the perfect Muslim, never hit any of his wives.
Her belief is that the verse is mistranslated, and does not in fact reflect traditional Muslim understandings of the verse.
Thus, this is completely completely been misunderstood text which islamphobes use against us.
Now, when one speaks of twisting the Qurans words upI think of taking things so incredibally literally and out of context that that is more twisting and distorting the essence of Islam than anything else.
All religious texts are open to interpretation and new readings. The Word of God cannot be contained by human consciousness. Although many Islamophobes are sympathetic to Bin Laden in arguing that only he knows the Truth, the vast majority of Muslims reject this thinking as they reject Bin Laden and his associates. Our understanding of the text is not bound to a moment, nor is it fixed. It is dynamic and not in English.
Islam adopted its primary admonition against homosexuality from the Bible: the story of Lot in Sodom and Gomorrah. The difference between, say, some of the more liberal attitudes on homosexuality by a number of Christian ministers compared to the predominantly conservative attitude among Muslim clerics isn't in the details of the story itself, but in the contemporary interpretation of it.
Some self-described liberal Muslims accept and consider homosexuality as natural, regarding these verses as either obsolete in the context of modern society, or point out that the Qu'ran speaks out against homosexual lust, and is silent on homosexual love. However, this position remains highly controversial even amongst liberal movements within Islam, and is considered completely beyond the pale by mainstream Islam
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^ I have never heard of the above people in my life..
secondly, if you have an opinion about wat you believe in.. thats ur opinion.. Like Shay said.. using Islam to show us that what you have to say is supported by some unheard scholar than deary you have to seriously take a step back and analyze somethings. Quote me Sahih Bukhari or Tirmidi on the above issue.. Quote me a verse from the Quran stating that "being gay" in Islam is completely acceptable.
There are people known as translators.. people who have degree's in something known as language and as we all know Arabic is not a language seldomly spoken.. we read, write, listen to it everyday.. atleast I do! and the fact that there are people who are educated in more than 3 -4 languages can clearly translate from one to another. So stating that since Hazrat Muhammad PBUH couldnt speak any other language etc etc is true on one hand.. the world was not just consisting of ARABS at that time.. MANY people came to this land and upon learning their language translated the word of Islam to many other languages. This has been going on for 1400 years.. how can you just come here and out of nowhere tell us that what we have been reading for generations is just an interpretation. TAKE THE QURAN TO AN ARAB WHO KNOWS ENGLISH/URDU or whatever language u speak.. and ask him to translate it to you and maybe you will understand a thing or 2!
plus.. i would highly recommend Almaghrib courses or even Alhuda courses to you!
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This thread was started in life and not religion section so I am not sure why we got on the religion angle here.
But if we are going to go on religion angle then I suppose its not just gay people adopting that becomes the question, but gay people living.
And the right of adoption is a moot point if there is no right to live.
Right?
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^welcome back!!!
yeah i think this is what the whole topic has boiled down to.. GAY PEOPLE LIVING! but the religion aspect was involved in accordance to this..
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thank you shay for saying what I wanted to but couldn't find the right words. :)
From a religious (islamic) standpoint I think it's wrong. However for the US, a democratic country built on equal rights (atleast we're told) , I think its very hypocritical to not allow gays the same rights. But I'm indifferent so I really don't share a strong viewpoint.
I had never before heard of the story of lut but from
that translation it seems like Islam strongly condemns it. I don't see what other translations might exist out there, if any. But incase there are, and I'm wrong in assuming that Islam condemns homosexuality then please post some Hadith or Quranic passage justifying it.
So you seek to “teach them a lesson,” by refusing them children, and by extension refusing to allow those children to have loving parents?
There’s more than one victim in this equation, and you are the victimizer.
So you seek to "teach them a lesson," by refusing them children, and by extension refusing to allow those children to have loving parents?
There's more than one victim in this equation, and you are the victimizer.
no, we arent teaching them a lesson, we are only protecting ourselves and the future generation from entering and accepting an evil that can end human production.
..and we are trying to discourage this practice of being gay. not by hitting them or using violence against them , but by simply refraining from giving our acceptance of their actions.
To Moderator Shay,
All complimnets goout to you for your excellent and direct post.
Unfortunattly but somebody here still stuborn to let any let any of it sink in.
With all respect to Paki-Fairy yoouu shud slowly re-read Shays post again. All answers to your repetive and consistant argumnet are there.
But must appalud at your incompetetence to read/undertand almost the same thing which not one but almost 10 diferent posters are re-iterating about religion.
If it was an issue like, saying can u pray with nail polish on or not, or can you use 'iter'/perfume that contains alcohol (filth) or not then you could debate about it because either hasnt been verdicted upon as clearly either in the Koran or Hadith.
BUt when you are talking about major and fundemental issues, such as fornication, consuming alohol, murder, homsexuality, shirk;
LADY:
EACH OF THESE ARE LAID OUT BOLDLY AND RULED UPON BOLDLY IN HOLY KORAN AND AUTHENTIC HADITH BUKHARI. NOT ONCE DEAR BUT IN NUMEROUS PLACES.
THE RULINGS OF THESE ISSUES HAVE BEEN CHECKED AND CONFIRMED OVER 1400 YEARS BY PAST AND PRESENT MOST EDUCATED ARAB, ENGLISH, INDIAN, PAKISTANI, AFRICAN MUSLIM SCHOLARS, SCIENTISTS , HISTORIANS, LANGUAGE EXPERTS, AND AGREED UPON BY NON-MUSLIMS PEERS.
THEN WHO ARE YOU TRING TO CONVINCE PEOPLE inTO INTRPRETATIONS OTHERWISE.
You and your personal opnions supported by handful of somebodies are nothing compared to the above ones.
You say Pophpet Luts (pbuh) examples, is old. Ok fine lets just look at it from this angle for a second.
Even if put aside koran, you still have not one but over 3 AUTHENTIC RULINGS OF ETERNAL PROHIBITON of Homsexuality from the Holy Prophet Muhamd (pbuh) from Sahih Bukhari hadiths quoted earlier by another poster.
DO You Know what Sahih Bukhari is? It is the believed the second most respected and Authetic Book after Koran. There is no room for objecting to a single word of it.
IM Sorry but you cannot get clearer than this. Inspite these if you still FAIL To comprehend that in ISLAM homosexuality is a big NO NO. The same way adultery, consuming alchohol/pork, murder, theft, is a big NO NO.
Then either you need your comprehsion skills checked out, or i am forced to say you dont know your own relgion well, and need to get basic islamic lessons, as advised earlier.
If your premise to deny this prohibiton is on the ground of old contexts. Then
i wonder how may other things u wont deny because the other 99% of islam was revealed around the same time too.
To Other posters,i think we should stop wasting time with this topic. We have made our case clear of the stand towards Gayness.
So Paki-fairy, no offence but if you want to continue debating your views for gay rights thats absolutely fine, but pls dont bring religion into it, and worse especailly dont try to say the religious ruling on this is wrong.
The Strict Eternal Ban On Homo-sexuality is clearly and correctly intrepretated.
Saying it is not, is going against religion, going agsint Our Prophet Muhammad, and Ultimtely going agsint Allah, (nz).
Watch your Mouth.
I can understand that as human beings we can have some unright urges or problems, especially whe satan is around to always tempt and encourage unnatural.wrong things.
But Allah says we are human beings, and not animals who do not think before acting on thier instincts. We have been given brain and reasoning to think before acting.
Sorry for deviating, but personnaly i just cannot understand when God has created such beautiful, caring, attractive oppsoite creatures for men called Females, why any man woudl want somthing inferior. BeaTs Me.
I would also call it ingratitude in a way.
If i had any wrong or unnatural tendencies i would implore to God for the cure, and search for ways to correct that problem instead of saying 'thats who i am'.
Can u imagine the large-scale consequcnes of proliferating Gay rights and people?
Already there is a massive ratio of women to men in the world.
If it carried on, there would come a stage where there woudnt be left many women and kids left for them to adopt.
Get what i mean?
I hope this knockes some sense in
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I acknowledge that it is radical to interpret these verses as providing a vision of human pairing that does not discriminate on the basis of gender, and that traditionalist Muslims would frown on such an interpretation. However, it remains a fact that the Qur'an is a living document, Islam is a living religion, and while there are those who would like to continue interpreting the Qur'an as it was interpreted five hundred years ago, or a thousand years ago, I believe that the Qur'an must continually be understood in light of current information about human nature, race, gender, and class, and with reference to modern understandings of what is just, what is compassionate.
This process is going on in other areas of Qur'anic interpretation -- take for instance the verses which talk about human development in the womb. There were some quite amusing interpretations of these verses over the years -- at least from the point of modern gynecology. No Muslim in his or her right mind would say we should stick with the old interpretations and ignore modern science, especially when modern science gives us a picture that is very much in keeping with the Qur'anic verses.
Modern science has also shown that the brains of gay men and women are different, structurally, from the brains of straight men and women. Other studies point to factors in the womb that affect sexual orientation. And many studies point to a genetic bases for homosexuality. Our experiences of gay couples show us that gays find the same love, mercy and tranquility with others of the same sex that the majority of us find in heterosexual pairings.
How then can we fail to interpret the Qur'an in light of these understandings, this knowledge of human nature and physiology that simply did not exist in the 600s or the 900s?
Equally important, the Prophet teaches us to want for our brothers and sisters what we want for ourselves. The Qur'an teaches us to exemplify justice, mercy and compassion. If I want a warm, loving, fulfilling marriage with a person I choose, how can I deny that to my brother or sister? If social circumstances favor those who are married -- and in our society married couples have special benefits and/or rights in terms of economics, inheritance, visitation during sickness, adoption, etc -- how can we justify denying those rights and benefits to an entire segment of our society? If the Qur'an teaches that sexual activity outside of marriage is a sin (and it does), how can I condemn a significant portion of the population to sin or to a life of celibacy (which the Qur'an frowns upon as well)?
It may be a radical reading to use the Qur'an and the teachings of the Prophet to justify gay adoption, but to me it is the only one which upholds the fundamental Islamic ideals of fairness, equality of all human beings, compassion and mercy.
I acknowledge that it is radical to interpret these verses as providing a vision of human pairing that does not discriminate on the basis of gender, and that traditionalist Muslims would frown on such an interpretation. However, it remains a fact that the Qur'an is a living document, Islam is a living religion, and while there are those who would like to continue interpreting the Qur'an as it was interpreted five hundred years ago, or a thousand years ago, I believe that the Qur'an must continually be understood in light of current information about human nature, race, gender, and class, and with reference to modern understandings of what is just, what is compassionate.
This process is going on in other areas of Qur'anic interpretation -- take for instance the verses which talk about human development in the womb. There were some quite amusing interpretations of these verses over the years -- at least from the point of modern gynecology. No Muslim in his or her right mind would say we should stick with the old interpretations and ignore modern science, especially when modern science gives us a picture that is very much in keeping with the Qur'anic verses.
Modern science has also shown that the brains of gay men and women are different, structurally, from the brains of straight men and women. Other studies point to factors in the womb that affect sexual orientation. And many studies point to a genetic bases for homosexuality. Our experiences of gay couples show us that gays find the same love, mercy and tranquility with others of the same sex that the majority of us find in heterosexual pairings.
How then can we fail to interpret the Qur'an in light of these understandings, this knowledge of human nature and physiology that simply did not exist in the 600s or the 900s?
Equally important, the Prophet teaches us to want for our brothers and sisters what we want for ourselves. The Qur'an teaches us to exemplify justice, mercy and compassion. If I want a warm, loving, fulfilling marriage with a person I choose, how can I deny that to my brother or sister? If social circumstances favor those who are married -- and in our society married couples have special benefits and/or rights in terms of economics, inheritance, visitation during sickness, adoption, etc -- how can we justify denying those rights and benefits to an entire segment of our society? If the Qur'an teaches that sexual activity outside of marriage is a sin (and it does), how can I condemn a significant portion of the population to sin or to a life of celibacy (which the Qur'an frowns upon as well)?
It may be a radical reading to use the Qur'an and the teachings of the Prophet to justify gay adoption, but to me it is the only one which upholds the fundamental Islamic ideals of fairness, equality of all human beings, compassion and mercy.
Pakifairy , its Quran that influences our lives, our environment, our thought processes ... not our lives and environment that influence Quran ...
Most people here are trying to tell you : do not interpret religion based on your opinions , let religion base your opinions ... otherwise you will only pick the lines that suit you from the holy book !
for us muslims rapists, child abusers, alchoholics, drug addicts, murderers , gays all are negative characters of society who we must reject because they are hurting humanity in one form or the other...... so what you are saying is hand over your child to an alchoholic rather then the child abuser because the alchoholic may not abuse the child ! whereas in reality both are equally bad ....
I hope this makes sense ...
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no it does not make sense chicken biryani. The story of loot has not been addressed in context it is only being twisted to conform to what the majority want to say: that gays are evil.
I have read the Quran and the story of loot in its entire context. Furthermore, you cannot tell me I am committing shirk by saying that gays have the right to adopt a child who is less fortunate than say a child born in your family.
Like the Bible, and most other religious texts, the Qur'an doesn't have any verse that says, "God has made you black and white, male and female, straight and gay. Be you as brothers to one another, working, eating, praying, loving as one family." On the other hand, it also does not say "Marriage is only between one man and one woman," or even "between one man and up to four women."
There is a clear assumption in many passages in the Qur'an that marriage is between men and women. Passages that talk about how a couple should decide when to wean a child, what times of day it is permissible to have sexual relations during Ramadan, or what to do when conflict arises and a divorce seems the best solution.
But other passages -- passages that talk about the fundamental nature of human relationships as a duality -- do not have a gender dichotomy. The word "zauj," often translated as mate or spouse, signifies one half of a partnership, both husband and wife. This is a powerful concept which affirms the fundamental equality of both spouses and leaves room for a genderless conception of human partnering.
This fundamental pairing of human beings is described in several passages which talk about the creation of humanity as a people. The initial human entity -- the word in Arabic is grammatically feminine and is often translated as soul, though it can mean self, person, or ego -- is given a mate of like nature, created from her own substance.
4:1 O mankind! Be careful of your duty to your Lord Who created you from a single soul and from her created her mate and from them twain hath spread abroad a multitude of men and women.
30:21 And among His Signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that ye may dwell in tranquility with them, and He has put love and mercy between your hearts: verily in that are Signs for those who reflect.
Your view would condemn children to remain within the homes in which they are threatened, abused, and even killed. Your view will deprive children of loving homes and family. Your view is the real sin which you only claim to know. Shame.
no it does not make sense chicken biryani. The story of loot has not been addressed in context it is only being twisted to conform to what the majority want to say: that gays are evil. I have read the Quran and the story of loot in its entire context. Furthermore, you cannot tell me I am committing shirk by saying that gays have the right to adopt a child who is less fortunate than say a child born in your family.
Like the Bible, and most other religious texts, the Qur'an doesn't have any verse that says, "God has made you black and white, male and female, straight and gay. Be you as brothers to one another, working, eating, praying, loving as one family." On the other hand, it also does not say "Marriage is only between one man and one woman," or even "between one man and up to four women."
There is a clear assumption in many passages in the Qur'an that marriage is between men and women. Passages that talk about how a couple should decide when to wean a child, what times of day it is permissible to have sexual relations during Ramadan, or what to do when conflict arises and a divorce seems the best solution.
But other passages -- passages that talk about the fundamental nature of human relationships as a duality -- do not have a gender dichotomy. The word "zauj," often translated as mate or spouse, signifies one half of a partnership, both husband and wife. This is a powerful concept which affirms the fundamental equality of both spouses and leaves room for a genderless conception of human partnering.
This fundamental pairing of human beings is described in several passages which talk about the creation of humanity as a people. The initial human entity -- the word in Arabic is grammatically feminine and is often translated as soul, though it can mean self, person, or ego -- is given a mate of like nature, created from her own substance.
4:1 O mankind! Be careful of your duty to your Lord Who created you from a single soul and from her created her mate and from them twain hath spread abroad a multitude of men and women.
30:21 And among His Signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that ye may dwell in tranquility with them, and He has put love and mercy between your hearts: verily in that are Signs for those who reflect.
Your view would condemn children to remain within the homes in which they are threatened, abused, and even killed. Your view will deprive children of loving homes and family. Your view is the real sin which you only claim to know. Shame.
Pakifairy , majority of your post is repetitive revolving around one thing : you are very keen to interpret Quran your way.
do you believe in prophet Muhammed (PBUH ) ???? or are you going to spin a story around this very clear clarification from the last prophet:
Muhammad's farewell speech says, "Whoever has intercourse with a woman and penetrates her rectum, or with a man, or with a boy, will appear on the Last Day stinking worse than a corpse; people will find him unbearable until he enters hell fire, and God will cancel all his good deeds."
*dont just argue my dear for the sake of arguing ... please , read Quran again , without contesting it this time. *
*May Allah guide us all and help us muslims to remain united . *
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pakifairy, are u aware of the fact that homosexuality is not something new. it was present way before the advent of Islam.