Gay Adoption

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I guess you didn't read what I wrote at all
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Try to narrow your opinion down from 1000 words or did you really expect someone to read all that?

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To humor you however, I can't naturally have children, so OBVIOUSLY it's unnatural for me to adopt kids because you know, as my ovaries don't work properly I obviously can't relate "normally," to other people
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Sorry to hear that.

But you know EXACTLY what I meant. I am not talking about specific people I am talking about the natural relationship between men and women that makes children possible. Homosexuals can't do that.

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That is... so incredibly ignorant.
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Since when does having a different opinion make others ignorant? How ignorant of you. Rolls eyes

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When an opinion is just ignorant, it is. It has nothing to do with being a "different" opinion but everything to do with how ignorant the opinion is. There are such things as "wrong opinions". I feel so bad for the children of people with such narrow thinking :( Not the children of homosexuals.

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I just took your logic and applied it to my situation. By your logic, it's unnatural for a man to be with me because we can't have children together. Whether or not I have a vagina or a penis makes no difference, I CAN'T HAVE CHILDREN. And neither can gay couples together. Same logic, different genitalia.

Yes, I expected someone to read that if they wanted to take part in the conversation. Scroll back and learn something.

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I cant understand how some people defend that what the religion has so strongly opposed !

let gays adopt your kids because they will not inflence their sexual orientation and will give them the love and etc ...

let drug addicts adopt your kids because its not necessary they will turn them into addicts as well and will love them etc ...

you cant expect a muslim child to remain muslim when adopted by a christian couple and the vice versa for a christian child to remain christian when adopted by a muslim couple ...

Heck , you guys have no idea what you are doing to a little innocent mind .. do you ?????

and Matinee , when a man woman as a couple cant produce babies due to medical reasons thats not their fault , they still can give an adopted child the basic family structure that nature has taught us.

A gay couple choose to go against nature and not have the ability to produce kids ... hence we say they shouldnt have the rights to adopt when they negate the very system of human reproduction .

please dont even compare the two situations , it would only be far from reality !

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Chicken Biryani- again your logic fails.

Me and my husband are considering choosing to not have kids together but to adopt instead. For many reasons, mostly, that adopting would help the human condition. That is choosing to go against human production, not being forced to. Thus , should we not be able to adopt?

I suggest you reassess your considerations and think about what our Prophet (PBUH) would think of all this hatred you are spewing.

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well , you and your husband will be providing the child with a strong family unit, strong family values. the child you adopt inshallah will not grow up thinking why do i have two mummies or two daddies or confused about nature !

Allah and prophet Muhammed PBUH have already told us clearly in the Quran and the Sunnah what they think about Gays and Lesbians. One of the GS members above have posted what religion has to say about this .please refer to that.

Sad Baby :=(
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Ok. So you would rather children stay in orphanages where they are twice as likely to die, 10x more likely to suffer physical abuse and 28x more likely to suffer sexual abuse... because growing up with gay parents is so much worse?

Seriously. Answer the question. Gay parents, or a high likelihood of abuse?

(P.S. the people I know who grew up in foster care wish they were never born, those who were adopted by gay parents don't suffer that depression. But of course you're familiar with so many gay couples and adopted children of them, right?)

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And I choose not to do invitro or employ a surrogate mother. So therefore, I choose to go against nature.

I wonder how many homosexuals you know that you can make this ignorant statement that they won't love their kids or they'll turn them gay (newsflash, most homosexuals are born to heterosexual parents-- kind of throws out the being "taught," to be gay, eh?).

And you have no idea the suffering you seek to impose on these children by preventing them from being loved and supported by parents, instead you'd rather they suffer in group homes without that love and support.

And btw, it's not a homosexuals fault that they are attracted to the same gender. It doesn't go against nature to be homosexual, I suggest you take a look at the animal kingdom as a whole and see just how many animals exhibit homosexual tendencies. And because I choose not to do invitro or get a surrogate mother, I should have no right to adopt by your logic.

You treat this as a punishment for gays, when you are really punishing the children simply because you don't like how they have sex. Get over it.

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Matinee and Pakifairy : if kids are not safe and get abused so heavily in group homes , then your government should take care of this issue seriously. unfortunately child abuse can happen anywhere and not just in group homes.

and most importantly , as a muslim, I have strong faith in my religion hence I will under no circumstances accept what has been rejected so strongly in the religion..

Lastly, I cannot put my child on the evil path that leads to hell , just because he/she is going to get some love on the way!

Rest may Allah guide us all.

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I HIGHLY doubt that a child will be on the way to hellfire if his/her parents are homosexual. EVEN IF homosexuality is an evil (which i do NOT think it is) that makes no sense. Would an alcoholics daughter go to hell, no. i will not suffer for the sins of my parents ,etc. Please Allah save your children from your narrow thinking.

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Lol.

I just came across this ofurm aicdentally read a bit and must say im OUTRAGED.

What here are pakistani muslim people, promoting Gay rights?

Paki Fairy-you belive we r narrow minded and you are broad?

You think homsexuality isnt evil?

Let me tell you one thing, who are YOU to VERDICT on somthing or opnionate let alone call it good, when The AL-Mighty Allah has already VERDICTED on it. And he has vercicted Homssxuality as Evil and Haram in his Holy Book.

I do hope you know about the koranic chapter af Prophet Lut (pbuh) and his gay community who were punsishesd?

One thing more, you people are talking about Gay Adoption?

Well all i know is a Haram is a Haram, and doing anything purposly that you know encourages it is then also a wrong.
I think you are uplifting and increasing quality of life of Gay Peopleby giving them such facicilties rather than trying to think of things to discourage this haram, so i strongly belive gay adoption is wrong.

I also live in u.k but i dont see it as logical 'broadmindedness' promoting Gay culture, and why you find such an interest being a muslim.

I think if you want to help orphan children, there are plenty of childless couples around.

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Perhaps one of the most laughable statement I’ve read in a while. If all the hetros were to be eliminated so would the human race. Using that logic a three year old would summarise that being a homosexual goes against nature. There are also animals that kill and eat their off-spring, would you call that natural too? If humans did that would you accept it? :rotfl: Or there is inbreeding found in animals (e.g. cheetahs which will cause them to be extinct) would you call that natural too? If humans did that would you accept it and cal it natural? Because that is the basis of your arguement (which obviously isn’t making any sense)

Some people :rotfl:

Ditto.

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No Offence, but This thread is really a joke.

Here is a muslim; 'paki-fairy', who is argueing with Allahs strightforward command by trying to say the Prohibiton on Gay and Homsexuality only comes from 'imamss' 'scholars'.

Further on form this another poster Refuted this argument, very accuretly and logically, by posting the exact koranic passage strictly and clearly prohibiting Gayness, AND posted not one but 3 Authentic and well-known hadiths to further clairfy the islamic position on this.

And now even worse, inspite of the above proof This person 'paki princess' is stll BELEVING that Homsexualkity is fine.

Im sorry to say sister princess, but with all respect know you are going agsint the koran.
And a person who rejects or disbelives even one clear law in Allahs book, is a SERIOUS sin.
And it can be said that disvelieving any clear ayat/teaching of koran is kufr.

Example: This is like saying

''Drinking Alchohol also has many benefits therefore i think it is not a sin to drink it somtimes''.

or '' Im not really harming anyone by doing adultery or fornication so i think its ok to do once in a while''

When we clearly know korans forbids both alcohol and adultery totally.

Sister Islam may not be a strong and influential foundation of your life, but it is for the majority of us, correctly, so we are want to and are going to stay that way.

We learn our logic, our rules our culture, morals from our Holy Book Koran and Sunah, and we dont challenge it.
Ofcourse there always maybe be some things sometimes hard that are beyond our current knwoeldge to understand, but it doesnt mean it should be challenged or rejected, we have to submit ourselves irespective have proof or not.

Also i do not know which exactly beliefs of practices or teachings of the Koran or Sunnah, have been proven wrong in history as you asserted before, where the reality on the contrary is that many more scientific advancements have affirmed and supported the 1400 year old writeen suunah and koran.

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Pakifairy , parents are held responsible to put a child on the right path . If I put them on the wrong path and expect them to do the right .. sorry but it would be deemed as stupidity.

homosexuality is an evil , if you dont think so, you need to correct your knowledge of Islam, if you put a child under the influence of a gay couple , you will be held responsible and answerable for leading a child to that path.

no an alchoholic's child will not go to hell , the alchoholic will ... but if you let an alchoholic adopt a child in that condition then you will be going to hell because you screwed up the life of a child .... I hope now you understand the difference.

Peace !!

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Totally in agreement of this , very well said Amir. If we cant stop an evil, at least lets not become part of that evil to create a greater evil.

Pakifairy and Matinee, you guys think we are spreading hatred ... actually we arnt.. As a muslim I am tolerant and will not harm a soul just because he is Gay. However I am never ever going to support him by giving my acceptance to his deeds and actions. Because its upto Allah to do justice , and upto me to protect myself from evil.

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Childhood sexual abuse is much more evil. Yet again, you'd rather children rely on social workers and live in group homes where they not only suffer a high probability of abuse from their caretakers, but also from the other children.

You sentence these children to hell because you just can't detach your mind from the way a person has sex.

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Educate yourself before you spew more moronic blither in a public forum.

1,500 animal species practice homosexuality
“1.500 animal species practice homosexuality”

““One fundamental premise in social debates has been that homosexuality is unnatural. This premise is wrong. Homosexuality is both common and highly essential in the lives of a number of species,” explains Petter Boeckman, who is the academic advisor for the “Against Nature’s Order?” exhibition.”

“The most well-known homosexual animal is the dwarf chimpanzee, one of humanity’s closes relatives. The entire species is bisexual. Sex plays an conspicuous roll in all their activities and takes the focus away from violence, which is the most typical method of solving conflicts among primates and many other animals.”

There is NO excuse when you CHOOSE to be ignorant. LEARN before you speak.

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Well said. Personally speaking gay people whatever they do behind closed doors is fine with me, what two adults want to do in the privacy of thier home is thie problem. If they are so proud of being unnatural then good for them, no need to bore everyone else with ‘we’re gay and proud of it’. But if they want us to accept their c*ap of accepting them as ‘natural’ or all this about adopting children then some people, religous or not, will always have a problem.

Your insults only show you clutching at straws, why the unneeded hostility at having a different opinion? And I am ignorant :rotfl:

Do you have any idea how many thousands of species there are? (3-30 million species ) (http://animals.about.com/b/2007/08/13/how-many-species-on-earth.htm) Take the ratio and the amount that does homosexuality is obsecure. Just like small amount of homosexuals in our race out of the whole.

You haven’t answered the question about eating off-spring and practicing incest. If we were to do it would it be accpetable? By your logic it would wouldn’t it?

Amazing :rotfl:

No need telling me that, go and practice that infront of a mirror :rotfl:

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Haha why are u guys talking about animals? Clearly a human is a far superior species than any other animal out there. Just because a chimpanzee is homosexual, doesn't mean it is natural or unnatural for a human to be homosexual. Jesus Christ!

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I am 100% against homosexuality, i do not think it is natural and it is wrong. End of. There is no discussion about that.

But I still think given the choice between foster care/orphanage vs a gay couple adopting the child, I am in their favour. But only in that particular situation.