Re: Gay Adoption
I have split this topic from Homosexuality.
Why don't we ask **kids **living in orphanages what they would prefer?
When they are newborn?
Or
five year old
or ...................adults?
And you know how difficult it is to adopt a kid even for the normal couple and on top orphanges don't give kids to preferably hetrosexual parents but to those who according to their "criteria" are best in terms of finance.
The level of difficulty is the same, actually more for gay couples who want to adopt.
and actually the income requirements are not very stringent. not enough to make adoption impossible for a huge chunk of population.
my view is very simple, when all orphans are adopted by straight couples, then we can make a law saying gay couples cant adopt.
Until then we can be on our moral high horse and sentencing the kids who would have otherwise been adopted to grow up in an orphanage.
When they are newborn?
Or
five year old
or ...................adults?
u cant adopt adults.
Re: Gay Adoption
This reminds me of a thread from a few yeras back--alot of people were against the adoption of a little girl by a non-Muslim family, yet no Muslim family was willing to adopt her. I think thats the height of cruelty, so not only will you not adopt someone, you dotn want anyone else to have him/her either rite? Sick, sad people.
Why don't we ask kids living in orphanages what they would prefer?
The younger the kid, the better chances he/she has of getting adopted. Basically, u can't ask a kid where or who he wants to live with because it's not possible for them to give u a well thought out answer. An adult makes better decisions.
I do believe in the saying, live and let live. I don't care if there are gay people in the world. But I wouldn't want them to adopt Muslim kids just because of religious concerns. Its a shame though because many orphanages are pretty disgusting. And after reading the book , They cage the animals at night, u can't help but cry for a kid that goes thru this process.
At the same time I know of a couple of gay Pakistani Muslim men and I don't judge them. To me they are like any other man just with a different sexual orientation. So I don't care what outsiders do but if I had a gay brother all hell would break loose. I won't accept it or ever be able to come to terms with it.
I'm sure people may consider this wrong, but I don't think one is born with homosexual tendencies. I think one is drawn instinctively to the opposite sex, but one chooses to be attracted to the same sex. It's uncomprehendible to me how someone can be born to love the same sex.
a child needs a mother and a father ... no one has the right to confuse the hell out of an already suffering child from orphanage ... where one fine morning he finds out he is getting adopted by two daddies ! and then learning over time that one of the daddy is actually faking to be a mommy ...
hand over your child to a gay couple and watch him go nuts .... would you do that?
I would much rather have my child be raised by a gay couple than be raised in an orphanage if those were the only two options available to me.
How many orphanages have you been to and how much time have you spent there, how many orphans have you spoken to?
As i said before, the whole idea of having two daddies , one of them faking to be a mommy .... really stinks from a child perspective !!
I know of a Gay couple who adopted 6 year old twins ... and the kids are like so embarassed when they are at school or with other kids ... and are really confused in their mind ...
anyway I really really cant understand how a man can forge to have maternal feelings ... that are so necessary in a child's emotional nourishment? :ASA:
This reminds me of a thread from a few yeras back--alot of people were against the adoption of a little girl by a non-Muslim family, yet no Muslim family was willing to adopt her. I think thats the height of cruelty, so not only will you not adopt someone, you dotn want anyone else to have him/her either rite? Sick, sad people.
well in those cases religion becomes important enough for some people to say, no no, a muslim child can nto be adopted by a non muslim. well then find them a muslim home..
This exists in almost all muslim countries btw, you have to be a citizen to adopt, and you have to be a muslim to adopt. I think those would be justifiale if they did not have many orphans just sitting around and waiting. many of them exploited then or later. So we make laws that make it harder for people to adopt, but as a result we are sentencing these kids a life of an orphan living in an orphanage.
how much emotional nourishment does a child get in an orphanage..do tell. 
as I said, go spend some time at an orphanage in one of these countries and then let me know what you think about the quality of life, the future prospects and find out more about how the kids live there, and what they go through in general.
PS: as far as ‘confusion’ comes, more gay people have non gay parents than not.
Ps2: the kids who grow up in orphanages and go to schools, they are very embarassed and are not usually treated very well by their classmates, from taunts to treating them like crap..cuz what can they do in respone
I would much rather have my child be raised by a gay couple than be raised in an orphanage if those were the only two options available to me.
How many orphanages have you been to and how much time have you spent there, how many orphans have you spoken to?
If you are a muslim , then please read this : ( Nabi Loot AS )
Quran says: and (We sent) Loot, so when he said to his people: do you commit an abomination which no one in the world did before you? Surely you come to males with lust instead of females. Nay, you are a people exceeding bounds. And the answer of his people was no other than that they said: turn them (i.e. Loot and his followers) out of your town, surely they (i.e. Loot and his followers) are a people who aspire to purity (Aaraf. 7:80-82).
Allah says: so We delivered him (i.e. Loot) and his followers except his wife—she was of those who remained behind. And we rained upon them a rain. See then, what was the end of the guilty (Aaraf, 7:83-84).
Nabi Loot's nation was sent Allah's azaab for this very reason that they turned Gays. and If Allah felt so angered that he finished them off in a jiffy , then imagine how much of Allah's wrath will you be inviting by endorsing Gays.
For this important reason , I will prefer that my child if khudanakhasta i live no more , be sent to the orphanage rather then get adopted by a gay couple.
Re: Gay Adoption
I agree with X2 completely. Kid have right to live no matter what any one thinks!!!!
How ever if we recognize gays as not normal ppl, we can have thing in our system where a councillor can visit "gay mention" to make sure boy become gay only if he had imbalance in hormones. Not by looking at 2 dads or 2 mommys.
Re: Gay Adoption
chiken-beriani no offence, but reading surah to a predator dont stop him!!!!!!!!
(Plz tell me if you want to me share a story.)
But same kid living in Gay mention would be protected.
hey there PM .. 
well there are good people and bad everywhere … yes a child can get unfortunate and be subjected to child abuse by his foster parents … but at the same time , we have a few stories here in England , with a few Gay couples getting drunk and becoming violent on kids …
they are two seperate issues , child abusers.. can be anyone , gays, straight people, men, women … any one ..
you know what i mean ?
its wrong to think that a child will be safe with a gay couple … just because of their sexual orientation ..
Re: Gay Adoption
hello CB
Nah I was just saying a kid living with no parents Vs kid in gayMention.
Thats all.
Re: Gay Adoption
The level of difficulty is the same, actually more for gay couples who want to adopt.
and actually the income requirements are not very stringent. not enough to make adoption impossible for a huge chunk of population.
my view is very simple, when all orphans are adopted by straight couples, then we can make a law saying gay couples cant adopt.
Until then we can be on our moral high horse and sentencing the kids who would have otherwise been adopted to grow up in an orphanage.
You know that's impossible. If someone really wants to be a humanitarian why doesn't he seek better means and choose better and permanant solutions for the orphans?
u cant adopt adults.
I know. That was a light sarcasm.:)
I bolded the word kid to emphasize on it.
Kids do not have choice or opinion since they are kids and helpless.
To say homosexuality is all about sex is like saying being heterosexual individual is reduced down to sex as well. That is simply not true. People eat more cereal than they have sex, they have more thoughts than they do sex, etc, etc, they are not defined merely by who they have sex with but by a zillion other things that make them unique individuals. people don't discriminate based on what cereal a certain preson enjoys. this is abs. narrow.
No one is telling you to stop talking to homos.
Man sleeping around with another man is disgusting, don't know why don't you find it disgusting? Islam says it's a sin which is worse than just being "disgusting".
Who gave the right of adoption to homos in the firstl place?
Then there's no need for criminals to be kept in prisons.
Homosexuality is all about sex sister....it's the matter of time you find out the reasons.
So you only use Islam when it suits your purpose because islam condemn homosexuality and considers it a big sin. And our heterosexuality also becomes a sin if we do it outside the limits made by Allah.
So now you're denying the teachings of Prophet(SAW), Qur'an and all the other divine Scriptures.
Re: Gay Adoption
What people are saying here that if there are two bad options choose one which will take the chance away from kids growing in better place. There will still be a chance for the kids to be adopted by 'normal' family without mental confusion if they stay in orphanage. Sure they will have less to eat but at least they will be away from other psychological conflicts.
So efforts should be made to help orphan kids and orphanage rather than throwing these kids in to a place where they will grow with unusual skewed place and situations. This way their freedom to grow in otherwise normal family will be taken away. its nothing to do with how rich or wealthy they are. Chances are that their emotions will be mutilated. They will have doubt in getting hetero-sexual relation or will be forced to accept the homosexual behavior.
It is like lets get all little girls live with older sick minded but rich men for the sake of satisfaction of these old men. At least girls will be out of orphanage or poor families!!
Asking for an ideal situation and putting condition difficult to be met (lets all orphans be adopted by straight people) cannot be an excuse for another wrong thing to do.
Re: Gay Adoption
In its position, the islamic leaders are essentially saying “You can love who we say you can love in the manner we say you can love them.” Since God is love, by defining the boundaries of love these leaders and imams are by extension trying to corral God into its own small, sad version of love rather than the all-encompassing reality of love of all shapes and sizes that God truly is. But the these leaders and imams do not have a monopoly on love or on God, and neither God nor love will be corralled. Thankfully God is bigger than these people, and God loves these people and its folly—and those who acquiesce to its folly—in spite of their attempts to make Him less than He is, and in spite of their attempts, however well-intentioned, to define Him to fit their own narrow definition.
And for those stuck in the slippery slope argument of "well if we let gays marry/adopt then brother/sisters can marry and adopt and do the same thing" or "soon goats will adopt too" How about 2 unrelated consenting adults =/= more than 2 consenting related adults.
Again, just as has happened in the past, those who stand in just defiance of wrongdoing; who stand on the side of the oppressed; who would do unto others as they would have it done unto themselves; and who continue to live the true message of OUR PROPHET (pbuh) through their words and actions will stand in history as the true Muslims, while those that simply follow their religion’s system because it is what their religion says and is the easy thing to do will face their own fate.
It is not easy to live as a gay person in the world. It means living in a world of prejudice and misunderstanding, of religiously sanctioned bigotry, of fighting for rights and fearing for safety in small-minded places, of getting mistreated and laughed at and marginalized in ways you really can’t imagine. It is a world of families tearing themselves apart and homes being broken, and it’s all over love. There is nothing just about that, and by acting the way you have acted in writing these things about adoption, you have continued that injustice.
There is a time that one must choose between what is right and what is easy, and it is always easy to plant oneself behind the views of one’s religion in an attempt to justify one’s behavior. Just because your religion tells you something does not make it right. Follow your Prophet (pbuh) not the imams. There is a big difference.
Being gay is the furthest thing from easy. But it is right for gay people to be here in the world, and for us all to live our lives happy and fulfilled. Someday the Islamic world and its followers will realize that. Until then I will continue to work against those who would smother their love, and the love of hundreds of millions more people, with their own beliefs.
Everyone will love whom they choose to love, in the manner of their choosing. No one is going to limit them, and that is just as God intended.