Gay Adoption

Lifestyle Relationships
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I agree. The society at large has responsibility and that includes us to find a reasonable and acceptable solution. A solution which is socially, morally and religiously correct. and stop criminals and mentally deranged people getting hold of innocent, helpless children.

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Re: homosexuality

good we agree

btw when society fails to meet those obligations thaen it has no right to imprison these children in these orphanages and sentencing most of them to a bleak future.

additionally society also should prevent crimianls and mentally deranged people from having kids, that may stop the sectarian violence like the one seen in pakistan quite often.

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sadzz there was also some activity in US with children from war torn families i Iraq being with muslim foster families in US.

btw sadzz, here is an interesting article which notes how much superior foster care or adoption is for kids rather than being raised in an orphanage

Orphaned Children Show Higher Intelligence And Fare Better In Foster Care Than In Institutions

Newly published research in the journal Science confirms that institutionalized orphans placed into foster care have much better intellectual development than those who remain behind. The authors say the results have implications for countries “grappling with how best to care for abandoned, orphaned and maltreated young children.”

A team of researchers including Nathan Fox, a professor of human development (College of Education) at the University of Maryland, has been studying a randomly chosen group of 136 abandoned children from six institutions in Bucharest, Romania for a number of years. The Bucharest Early Intervention Project (BEIP) tracked the children out to 54 months of age.

Importance of Early Intervention

Earlier evidence from the intervention project showed that young children who remain institutionalized suffered intellectual, emotional, psychiatric and brain development problems. Prof. Fox says, “They are deprived of typical social and emotional stimulation and interaction, as well as typical cognitive and language stimulation.”

mods- this topic of adoption is kinda tiurnign into its own discussion so may need to be split, your call

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If only we could have the ability to stop bad people having kids.:)

"sectarian violence" is itself a different topic. All I can say for now is things may not be what they seem to be. A third party role need to be kept in mind.

~~~Missing Someone~~~
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really? there are single parents who raise their children alone. a mother sometimes does alone also a father. your definition of what is "natural" is really narrow minded and simply not true. of course, of course, of course, gay couples have the right to have children!! why wouldn't they?

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X2, a woman's role can only be played by a woman ... she cannot be a man ...
and a man's role can only be done by a man ... a woman cannot be a man .

a child needs a mother and a father ... no one has the right to confuse the hell out of an already suffering child from orphanage ... where one fine morning he finds out he is getting adopted by two daddies ! and then learning over time that one of the daddy is actually faking to be a mommy ...

hand over your child to a gay couple and watch him go nuts .... would you do that?

things that are against the nature are against the nature and nothing can justify them being right. even animals know that which gender to choose to have babies... why is it so hard for human beings to make the right choices?

if a man decides to marry a man ... fine .. they are both grown ups and responsible for their own deeds and actions .. but adopting a child is like death penalty to the child for a crime he/she hasnt commited .

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Re: homosexuality

That homosexual parents are inherently inferior to heterosexual ones; you seem to assume the fragility of gay partnerships quite arbitrarily. None of those assumptions are self-evident but you feel no hesitation to base your entire argument on them. Furthermore you fail to grasp that gays will be subject to the very same scrutiny that straights undergo when adopting; if two same-sex candidates can't prove their comitment to caring for a child then they will quite simply not be accepted. But your most blatent oversight is failing to ask what's the alternative for these children. There are many more children in care than there are suitable families to care for them. You forgot to explain how being raised in care is preferable to being raised by a committed and loving gay couple. If the mother-father nuclear family model is your ideal of a family, the surely the absolute antithesis of that is no family at all. Finally will all those people banging on about the thought police just grow up. The reason this garbage is ridiculed is because it is ridiculous.

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Re: homosexuality

Its not about their commitment to the child. Its about who they are.

Two men or two women acting as husband or wife- Father and mother-woman or man will only confuse the little mind of the child.
The child has rights too.

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live and let live...

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Re: homosexuality

so will you prohibit an elderly heterosexual couple from marrying? A sterile heterosexual couple from marrying? When does this end? Why do YOU get to dictate to OTHERS why they cannot get married or they cannot adopt?

Society is changing, and the traditional idea of the nuclear family with married mother and father is no longer the only acceptable alternative. The reason that many countries are beginning to award legal rights to gay couples is because the stability of such relationships is now recognised. There is no reason, therefore, why such couples cannot provide a stable and loving upbringing for children.

I know someone who is only forty-five and they can clearly remember hearing elderly relatives talking about how racially mixed marriages were unfair to the children because they would be stigmatized and would never be accepted by either race. Thirty years from now the argument that gay and lesbian adoption is in some way bad for the children will sound just as ridiculous.
A child in need of love, safety and stability does not first consider the sexual orientation of his parent. The exclusion causes some children to be deprived of a permanent placement with a family that is best suited to their needs.

One aspect of same sex parents that I don't hear a lot about is all the work and forethought that goes into creating a family. It takes two adults committed to planning and raising children the best way they can.

Gay couples don't have 'accidents' - there's no "Oops the condom broke!" or "Gee, I forgot to take my pill".

Most couples have to jump through all kinds of hoops to adopt. I think anyone willing to do that to give a good life to a child should be allowed to.

it is a logical fallacy to assume that because things have only been done one way for a long period of time, that that is then the only and best way to do things. think for example of slavery, it was around for thousands of years (and is still around) before even the U.S. changed its laws. so because people have been in bondage for ages then we should continue to enslave them? it must be right because thats the way that things have been done for so long! tradition can in no way equate correctness, hence the reason people everywhere have worked for change, against the sanction of tradition, for centuries.

I have 2 friends who are a gay couple. They are foster parents to two kids who were abused and neglected by their birth parents and bounced from one unhealthy foster home to another.

My friends took these kids in, gave them stability, taught them how to behave in public, got them into great schools and it took a lot of hard work because these kids are a handful after the abuse they have suffered. It is not easy at all. They have given up a lot of their lives just to help these kids.

Now they are going to adopt them because they love the kids. These kids were on the road to being juvenile delinquents, maybe prisoners or prostitutes, nobody wanted them. (that's what happens to most kids who 'age out' of they system)

A good stable home with parents who love them is all they needed. How dare people try to take that away.

Now they are thriving at a good school and in a loving home.

Unless these anti-gay adoption folks are willing to take in all the unwanted foster children in the system they better stop this nonsense.

Timepass-Jan 2013
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I'm in agreement with Pakifairy. When I was a child my parents were foster parents, and we took in many abused children throughout the years. We lived in a state that was one of the first to allow gay adoption, and one of the boys we fostered (he was abandoned by his birth mother) was adopted by a lesbian couple. We visited the boy now and then throughout the years and he really, really thrived---he was a child with severe emotional issues who needed a lot of attention, and it seemed that having the love of two very nurturing women was the best thing that could happen to him.

One of my sisters still lives near my parents, and now that she has her own home her neighbors are a gay couple who adopted a boy from foster care. Again, a kid from very disturbed circumstances who is now doing well in school, has a lot of friends, and seems to be really benefitting from his loving home.

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I’m not taking a side I would just like to hear thoughts from someone that supports gay rights on the following:

There’s also the case I believe in Australia where a father and daughter had sexual relations, they had a baby, love each other as husband and wife, obviously both are consenting. Those that are ok with gay rights, do u also support incestuous relationships, nonabusive? Their right to marriage? Why or why not?*

How Much Do You Weigh... :D :D :D
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This is what is known as a 'slippery slope' argument. In other words, arguing that a step in one direction will inevitably lead to an unstoppable slide to something much more extreme. I rarely find slippery slope arguments convincing, personally, and think that they're a somewhat hysterical way of dealing with issues that people don't really understand.

Homosexuality has been accepted to various extents in different societies throughout history---the ancient Greeks, some Polynesian cultures, the example of 'hijras' in India (and to a lesser extent Pakistan), etc. In none of these examples is there a correlation with incest. Incest has generally always been much more taboo universally than homosexuality, but there have been a few societies where it is practiced---among the ancient Egyptian pharoahs, for example, the royal family often married siblings. But again, there's no reverse correlation with homosexuality.

The argument above for me seems like a vegetarian arguing that if you're willing to eat chicken, then next thing you know you'll be eating street cats. Or someone arguing against allowing women to vote, because next thing you know people will start demanding the vote for dogs. Slippery slope arguments are emotionally engaging but I don't find them logically persuasive...

Timepass-Jan 2013
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The society is not willing to give the charge on **mentally deranged or sick people **yet.

Little babies no matter how less fortunate they would be should not be placed on psychological dilemma of fining out who is daddy and who mommy and why mommy looks like daddy or vice versa.

Come on lets not play with little innocent minds. That's sick and pathetic.

I think society should provide a means to have the kids grown up in natural family or even help the real family (parents) so no gay couple can lay their sick hands on fragile minds.

Gay people need treatment and children need good shelter. Much better than gay couples.

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Re: homosexuality

^ wow

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Re: homosexuality

Dang.
BPs running high here- take a deep breath, people =)

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They type of slavery you're talking about was always unethical and still is.

Those kids could have been handed to a normal family too.

Now those kids gonna grow up believing homosexuality to be a normal thing.

What about the morals and values?

There's a long list of normal parents willing to adopt those kids but unfortunately the orphanges don't consider homosexuality to be a fault and base the adoption on the good finances.

You said you have no problem with homosexuality but that's not good enough for us to accept it , you shouldn't assume that if you're okay with gays and lesboz, others should follow you.

There is a recent study that shows that there might be a connection between genetics and pedophilia, I wonder how many people would accept this as "normal"????

what does the word "aabii Hayaat" [آبی حیات] MEAN?
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No one is telling you to stop talking to homos.

Man sleeping around with another man is disgusting, don't know why don't you find it disgusting?
Islam says it's a sin which is worse than just being "disgusting".

Who gave the right of adoption to homos in the firstl place?

Then there's no need for criminals to be kept in prisons.

Homosexuality is all about sex sister....it's the matter of time you find out the reasons.

So you only use Islam when it suits your purpose because islam condemn homosexuality and considers it a big sin. And our heterosexuality also becomes a sin if we do it outside the limits made by Allah.

So now you're denying the teachings of Prophet(SAW), Qur'an and all the other divine Scriptures.

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And you know how difficult it is to adopt a kid even for the normal couple and on top orphanges don't give kids to preferably hetrosexual parents but to those who according to their "criteria" are best in terms of finance.

what does the word "aabii Hayaat" [آبی حیات] MEAN?
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Re: homosexuality

Why don't we ask kids living in orphanages what they would prefer?