Gang rape victim gets Glamour award

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How many NGO’s have found how many rapists and rape victims in those countries who want to become the champion of the ‘ethics’ of the world?
Do you think the champion countries are full of angels and no one but angels only?

You have not read my post where I mentioned that the only purpose of this hype is to make Pakistan look bad…No sympathy with the victim at all.

Cleaning up starts from home. Read stastistics of rape, incest murder for jealousy etc. of the countries who point fingers to other people.

Islam has great ways to eliminate these problems if implemented and better ways than any one has.

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So goras are the standard of ethics?

get your head out of the sand!

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One has to be ashamed of bad deeds only because of Allah's fear or his guidance.

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When your country fails you, there is no choice.

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Its like riding in someone else's car when your car is broke. Why not fix your own car once for all?

Is that what you want to promote? walking with crutches and not try walking on your own at all?

Do you want to live your life by what someone else tells you and not using your own brain?

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According to Pakistani establishment, mullahs and feudal lords, YES! Do a better job in reading, I was talking about what these people think.

They would never have provided even the little token justice to Mukhtaran, had the international media not picked up the story and average Pakistanis and NGOs had not raised their voice. They don’t care about this victim or Allah. They only care about their embarrassment that is why Musharraf did not want to let Mukhtaran go to the US. Because of bad image! Who cares about bad image, when women are gang raped all over Pakistan even as we speak?

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Dear, tell that to Musharraf who was more concerened with bad image of Pakistan than the actual bad deed! Typical jahil thinking on Musharraf’s part.

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No excuse to sell the country’s name even if one or few are victims in the hand of eveil people.

You don’t believe on country’s honor thats your problem.

Its not like people are not victimised in any other countries or societies. You have a narrow mind and the proof is that you think gang rape is everywhere in Pakistan. How many times you saw gang rape all over Pakistan even as we speak???

Magnifying problems in a country is a great psychologic weapon against a country my dear. Read this sentence three times.

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I commend to his thinking of not allowing this woman to go outside the country and was disappointed when she was let go. Bad image of Pakistan must be his concern and its not jahaalat.

On the other hand, eveil people must be punshed severely, to stop this unislamic and in human behaviour. Read my posts again to understand what my position is on this issue.

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I have asked before, how many victims are seen on media raped in so called developed countries? Has anyone read the crime rate in other countries based on alcohol use?

Number one killer of young people in developed countries is suicide or alcohol, drugs!

Should one send NGO's to bring victims from (some statistics are outrageous...every fifth young girl is victim of incest in some countries) these countires and give award by a mullah? How would those countrymen feel about that? Jahil thinking or otherwise?

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Honour? Where was the country's honour when Mukhtarn Mai was being gang raped on orders of the village elders and than paraded naked in front of everyone? Where was the country’s honour when Dr. Shazia was raped and than government officals tried to hush up the incident and shipped her to Karachi? Where was the honour when Sonia Naz was raped by Police officials of Pakistan? Where is the honour when police refuse to register rape cases? Where is the hounor when family members kill women who they merely think have gone against their honour.

Tell me again who has sold Pakistan's honour? There are thousands of such incidents that will never come to light and will be suppressed for the same reason why Musharraf wanted to suppress Mukhatraan Mai's story. Honour, which is exactly what is the problem with male chauvinistic Pakistani society. We are so obsessed with our ego and honour that we can not see the injustice that is as clear as day in front of our eyes. We are truly blind. People like you don't even understand what the word honour really means, you think it is way to protect your ego and suppress truth.

And why do you insist on trying to compare crime rates of Pakistan and other countries? We all know that crime is seldom reported in Pakistan due to a non working police and court system where the victims themselves are accused more often than not. Very few people reports crimes in Pakistan, especially if they are of sensitive nature. Police is useless. At least in Western countries, police will conduct a proper investigation and prosecute the criminals. That is the real difference, not that crime doesn’t exist in the West. If someone is gang raped in the West, that person does not have to ask the President, parliament, go to the supreme court, force the police, and exert international pressure to get the crime investigated. Police have enough decency to do what is right. If you cannot understand this difference, this discussion is useless.

Tell me again who has sold Pakistan's honour? There are thousands of such incidents that will never come to light and will be suppressed for the same reason why Musharraf wanted to suppress Mukhatraan Mai's story. Honour, which is exactly what is the problem with masochist Pakistani society. We are so obsessed with our ego and honour that we can not see the injustice that is as clear as day in front of our eyes. We are truly blind. People like you don't even understand what the word honour really means, you think it is way to protect your ego and suppress truth.

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Only within a particular society. Bringing it to light across the world will barely affect Pakistan proper…

It’s negatives far outweigh any positives. That is reality, no matter what “well-meaning” individuals say or do.

That’s not an elaboration. How does going to America help in this regard in Pakistan?

Get real. Nations exist, and the fact is the two nations have entirely different societies with little or no links to each other. Hardly a bias…this is a reality.

Good you admit…your point then stands defeated.

Too late. Pakistani media beat them to it.

Unh…that’s the role of an NGO…to affect social change. That’s not political?

Spare me. I’m not putting MM down, and the NGOs are hardly the only voice of women in Pakistan. If anything, they swooped in and co-opted her voice.

My mother and sisters agree with me on this one, btw…not that I need ther validation for these opinions…

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Long post with full of emotions and had no sense.

When I compared crimes I did not mean to say who has more and who has less crimes, I only stated that crimes do occur in ALL societies. Giving international attention to a crime or two has nothing but political motivation and no sympathy for the victims.

By your post at least you agree that crimes do occur outside Pakistan so why don’t we see people getting international outcry and awards. Rape or even gang rape is not so uncommon outside Pakistan!

I will maintain that NGO’s are purely political and nothing but political. If Pakistani society embraces Islam and its values then all evil people will be better taken care of.

Off course there is no guarentee that crimes will be eliminated 100% but justice and its dorrs will be opened for everyone. Its everyone’s individual responsibility to learn about Islam and be educated and write about any crime they want in their own newspaper but NOT outside.

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I’m sorry to say but you don't really have good reading comprehension.

I’ll say this again, so please try to understand it this time.

In most other countries, the police and court system looks after rape victims. In Pakistan, they treat the victim as the culprit.

In most other countries, rape victims are not killed and are encouraged to come forward. Not in Pakistan.

In most other countries, gang rape is not ordered by village councils.

In most other countries, a husband would stand by his wife if she was raped. In Pakistan, the husband will just as likely try to kill his wife.

In most other countries, the local police will immediately file a crime report. In Pakistan, they will not until there is huge public pressure from media and NGOs.

In most other countries, rape victims are not thought of as having dishonoured their family. In Pakistan they are and many are killed because of this.

These are not emotions, but facts.

Do you understand the issue here now or should I try to write it in Punjabi?

The doors of justice remain closed and every avenue of action to open them in Pakistan by NGOs is decried as anti Pakistan, anti Isam propoganda by people with your thinking. Anyone can write about these issues in whatever newspaper they want to. Military governemnt only cares about what is written in international media anyway.

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Rosa Parks, Jesse Owens, unknown Chinese man standing infront of a Tank at Tianman square, all three were common folks who stood up for their god given right as human beings. All three will be remembered for centuries for their heroics and ever lasting impression on humanity. Mukhtaran Mai, when she rose from her ashes and declared war on the perpatrators of that heinous crime symbolizes all oppressed women in Pakistan who can/must stand and be counted.

Powers which refuse to change will always try to manipulate imagery and defame MM and the NGO's supporting her. Purpose is simple, do not let MM become a symbol of resistence, revolutionary change and rebellion.

If her travels abroad bring disrepute to Pakistan, then why should a Army General who has seized power illegally be allowed to represent Pakistan? Why is a court branded criminal allowed to leave country and then make political apearances? Why are deranged Mullas responsible for spreading sectarian hatred allowed to travel freely? Why is there no criticism on Qazi Hussein/Maulvi Diesel/Maulana Sami when they try traveling abroad are stopped, sent back bringing shame and embarrassment for Pakistanis in general?

It is not MM who brings shame to Pakis but those who gang raped her and their supporters.

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:clap: :closed:

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Were the NGOs were raped? No. Please don’t convolute the two.

Putting down the NGOs is NOT putting down MM. Nice try…

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NGOs support Mukhtaran and her agenda. People against NGOs are automatically against Mukhtaran and her agenda. This is a simple issue, lets not try to make too complicated.

Anyway, those who put down NGOs never come up with an alternate solution to what the NGOs are doing.

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Finding a victim in a country and advertise is not so difficult these days for those who control media. Specially an illiterate and simple woman like Mai.

Its all political. Just wake up. Will you?

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the alternate is Islamic LAW.