Gang rape victim gets Glamour award

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I am beginning to enjoy your posts. Sorry. you misjudged me.

I am not into killing anyone who is raped. i am all for removing ALL the possibilities for anyone to get raped and ALL the possibilities that the rapist get away from it.

What you did not understand from my post is that social problems are EVERYWHERE in the world. Agree or not?

If not agreed then you need to get out more.

If agreed, then why Pakistan is shown in news media as evil country in the world? Why Pakistani women or anyone who gets injustice gets attention from outside media?

Why Pakisani oppressed people suddenly get candies by outsiders? Do you think for a moment that outsiders have real sympathy with pakistani oppressd people?

If you really think so, then again you need to get fresh air.

Now social problems in Pakistan as i mentioned is responsibility of ALL pakistanis including myself. We all have to continue writing about it, talking about it and if possible acting on it.

But we must not let anyone take advantage of our inside problems.

I am waiting for the answer of the question I posted earlier about someone beaten up by the father and the neighbor is trying to take advantage of the situation.

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For evey problem in Pakistan the outside media makes it magnified. We do have to correct ourselves but no one has (and no one should have) the authority over Pakistan and its citizens except Pakistanis.

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---- If that kid is old enough— This is how i look at the world its me and my family against the world… you show the neighbor where he belongs… i will call cops on him or do something else… and father needs help… get him help - i am assuming this situation is in his country…

our parents sometimes teach us a lot of things and sometimes not to be like them… which is a great thing to learn as well…

I would like to know your theory of insaaf? What shoudl be insaf in this situation…

My theory… Anytime someone rapes a girl get his ball removed… next time he does it again another one and then the last thing. People will eventually stop doing it.

YOu have to understand jab pani sar se upar guzar jaey then you cant sit their still and ask Allah for help.. you gotta help yourself cause HE onlyl helps those who help themselves…

my philosphy - ghee sedhi ungli se na nikle to mein ugli seedhi nahe karti… mein pure ka pura daba ulta deti hon…

I love it when Pakistani woman speaks up and makes her voice heard… Believe me its not such a great thing to come on national TV and see sorry in millions of eyes…

** I strongly believe if its become mandatory for girls in junior high or high school or even at earlier age to take self defense classes. That should help preventing rapes. A girl can atleast punch the guy back and run away. Girls should be taught courage. Girls should be able to join gym this way they can keep nice and tight muscles.

And child support should become a major thing in PAKISTAN… All those rapist who have left those unwanted kids in this world … someone gotta feed that mouth… let it come out from their nice warm pockets…

Anytime a guy rapes a girl get his posters and post them every where… **

Under my world… there would be no rape one day…

I am working on somethign and inshallah i will be successful inshallah… I want these women to have courage to raise your voice. IF you didnt do anything wrong then dont stop. I want to give these girls voice, i want to be their hope and inshallah inshallah i will do that one day…

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:clap:

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this would make a very patriotic sounding statement IF pakistan was a global power of some sort. to make such a statement where u tell the whole Global community to F* off while the justice system ignores a crime is a bit off…
so lets take your father son example…

father -assuming the criminal is like a father to the victim Mukh Mai? with only their citizenship to pakistan linking them together in this wonderful bond of father-son)

son goes up to neighbour to get CANDY ( neighbour is glamour magazine editors for example from the US…CANDY is the recognition and attention she is getting and the fact that it is creating a global outcry)

CANDY- a father really shouldnt be bothered if a neighbour gives the son candy…
so u really cant use the word CANDY…anyways for arguments sake lets use CANDY.so u have a problem with a woman going to a diff country to make her voice heard ? Is that an issue because those promoting her cause wear miniskirts and go to bars and get drunk and sleep around? thats why they have no right to interfere?
nobody from glamour mag is coming up to the pakistan police and putting a gun to their head and telling them ‘u better punish these rapists or we gonna shoot u in the head’. they are writing for a magazine…in a free country where they are pretty much allowed to vote for whatever they want and maybe they DO have AGENDAS against muslims but in this case i dont see why it is itching every other guy so much. she is a victim of a horrible crime that MANY girls face…more power to her …and may she get EVEN MORE recognition.

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Good. Great thoughts.:slight_smile:

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You assumed many things wrong and answered yourself to look good in the argument.

FIRST
it does not matter IF pakistan is a global power or a weaker country in other standards. Honor of people at large belonging to a country must be maintained.

NEXT, You are confused about my candy example. Since you cannot grasp the example I will say, directly. The woman represent Pakistan and must not become a vehicle of Pakitan bashing allover the world. A single person or few people’s honor is not equal to ALL of others living in that country. What do you think Pakistani people would be seen in the world if these kind of ‘NEWS’ keep getting projection? Why should an average Pakistani feel ashamed of one person’s mistreatment? I am not being selfish here, I am with you totally, that these acts need to be condemned by US and by OUR OWN magazines etc. Award must be given by OUR own people.
People need to be punished severely for these acts also. No remorse for evil people in my heart.

You did not answer to my other question and I am sure it was missed.

Do you really think outsiders care and feel for this woman?
if you say yes…then…:slight_smile:

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she is telling the truth it is not truly islamic country it is a feudal country which true for other southasian countries . but you dont hear these things happen in bangaldesh and sri lanka

On Monday, Ms Mai had told an audience of rights activists through an interpreter: "I am fighting a fight against oppression, where women and the poor are oppressed… by feudal lords.

“They have power and money, and all I have is you and your support. God willing, truth will have victory.”

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I would cut their dicks, so they won´t be able to do it twice! That´s my WORLD ;)

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Actually, it’s the only REAL way to affect change. Geopolitics is predicated on self-interest, and in the global context all this exposition to foreign countries will only serve the role of yet another stick to beat Pakistan with…when it’s convenient of course. Yes, yes, you’ll have your people who support the ‘cause’ in earnest…small fries. They won’t be an instrument to social change in Pakistan…not unless they effect their government’s policies. Now, how trustworthy is their particular government?

It’s not that people are complaining to foreigners…but for God’s sake…chose your foreigners wisely. To use the analogy you and deedwar have been using, it’s as if a child who’se father is abusive runs to his/her friend…who’s own father happens to be a cannibalistic serial killer.

Having Bill Clinton hand out the award is just too damn much…he’s no freaking saint. Further, it shows that the recognition she’s getting is NOT by a bunch of sympathetic do-gooders, but also by washington insiders who can influence policy negativley towrads Pakistan.

I don’t expect Ms. Mai to know this…she’s a victim who has other things to worry about, and shouldn’t be expected to grasp all this…but the NGOs…I think they’re milking this for all it’s worth. Pakistan is a beleaguered nation, NOT just the Musharraf administration…and these guys are just milking the situation for all it’s worth.

No, that’s not how it works. What happens is in the future, some goofy Pres decides Pakistan shouldn’t exist anymore…of course, they’ll pin everything on Musharraf…but one never “invades” a person. This tragedy will be brought up, and people will start saying “see, this is a regime that ignores…no, ENCOURAGES gang rapes. It must be destroyed”. We’ve already been there done that, so this is not at all far fetched.

Recognition from WHO? That’s the question here…no one is saying that she doesn’t deserve recognition.

This is where the NGOs need to think a bit more. This is a case of the NGO mouse getting thrashed by a cat…and then going to a lion for help. NOT smart…

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yes:)

im sure YOU missed the part about them being activists.
believe it or not…there ARE people in this world that care about humanity and the crimes committed against them in general, regardless of race, ethnicity, nationality.

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only deedawar used this…i mentioned earlier what a messed up analogy it is.

ok ok fine…why dont they hack off the heads of the rapists already then? why not PROVE to the world that you really arent a spineless govt encouraging rape? why not stop harassing HER for complaining but still letting the feudal lords get away with minimal punishment…

i dont think NGO’s have evil intentions for pakistan. their hold their own views for the betterment of pakistan and living in a foreign nation believe they can help a victim by making her voice heard in the global community.
are some of them sitting in their houses discussing the issues facing pak over tea and biscuits? yeah…is that easier? yeah!
BUT this is how even those IN the system of pakistan operate. its always always always the little man that gets screwed. in my opinion ends justify means…as long as she the victim gets justice…its all good. and since there is hardly hope for her to get any while appealing IN pakistan the great…she might as well try other outlets.
again u cannot pinpoint ONE person and blame them for it. MM might be pushed by her lawyer to do so…billy clinton might be pressurized by human activist lobby to hand out award…or maybe he just wanted to be in the news or appeal to desi crowd…glamour mag might just want another controversial story…who knows.

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Rockin’ that cell…you go girl :slight_smile:

http://pakistantimes.net/2005/10/30/top10.htm

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This quote from that article says a lot about her:

Mukhtar Mai says that she would donate $5,000 of the $20,000 prize for earthquake relief, while the rest would be spent to expand the two schools she runs for girls in Meerwala, a remote village in southern Punjab

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All valid points. What’s bill gonna do about it? Go down to Pakistan and beat up Mushy? Doubt it. Rather, perhaps push his connections for some god-for-saken sanction that will only serve to harm ALL pakistanis, not just the corrupt.

I think some NGO’s get blinded by their cause. Evil or not, it is careless in this case to this particular audience…no matter how noble the cause seems.

What they do need to do is clarify their position and spell out exactly how they expect the so-called “global” community to help out. More often than not, it’s a foreign power exerting pressure on the Pakistan government…such pressure is usually in the form of threats, either economic or otherwise. NOT the way to go…you don’t help Pakistanis by having others threaten it. And there is no such thing as a targeted threat at this level, so it’s not as if a personal threat can be made to the corrupt cronies that run the place.

If the ends is to perpetrate even more injustice, then it doesn’t. We’re in the ugly realm of geopolitics now, not domestic politics…such is the beast that gets poked when you run to other countries for “help”.

I don’t want to see the whole bloody nation get raped using the rape of Mai as part of a pretense for anti-Pakistan maneuverings. Justice can only come from within, anyway…I have no idea how she can get justice outside the country where her tormentors reside.

Whatever the case, it would have been nice if but ONE person pointed out the inappropriateness of getting a reward from ol Billy Boy…

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picoico, NO govt has pressured the pakistani govt to help mukhtaran mai. when pakistanis themselves have such 'nice' things to say about a woman that was gang raped why would a foreign govt give a damn. the whole bit about the west putting pakistan down as a result of MMai is far fetched. it is the activists and NGO's promoting her issue. she is going state to state collecting funds for the school she is operating in pakistan and also for the earthquake. whats your point? if she WAS getting the same support in pakistan she would never have resorted to this right? are there not enough people in pakistan that are loaded and also sympathize with MMai? ....... mushy blabs on an on about destroying terrorism....he might as well begin by punishing rapists. but he chose the WRONG choice of words........

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To err is human…
sit back and ponder this statement from the mountains, not ground level.

In spite of all the negative spin some folks deem Mai’s visit, think of all the positive effects it will bring to a much needed social/civil issue.

  By the way, it is the American way to question their high and mighty in the same vein as their low and not so mighty. 
  
  This 'accountability' discourages arrogant and inhumane judgements like the Jirga gave to Mai.
  
  Do not confuse the issue here, it is NOT a national issue.........but a social one.

And unless someone *proves* it otherwise, it's all just spin.......
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LOL…keep dreaming.

How many people of their own country women and victims they have given awards in past?

Be clear, the humanity, democracy, justice, human rights are used as weapons against ANY country who is not loved by the champions of the world’s “ethics”.

Same ethics do not apply to the countries which are “ALLY” of these champions.

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[quote=“picoico”]

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It’s not that people are complaining to foreigners…but for God’s sake…chose your foreigners wisely. **To use the analogy you and deedwar have been using, it’s as if a child who’se father is abusive runs to his/her friend…who’s own father happens to be a cannibalistic serial killer. **

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What if the neighbor himself is looking for an excuse to put down his neighbor?
And cannibal theory is just hilariously and overtly exaggerated.
Pakistan is not as bad as some try to show.

Real father will at the end has a chance to repent and improve but no guarentee that outsider will ever be as good as the real father.

I did not rule out the possibility and even a strict requirement for Pakistani as a whole to promote justice and equality.

Simply said, no one should be encouraged to give awards to a victim of another country. Thats bribery. You say bad about your family and I will give you candy.