future spouse, being Namazi

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Re: future spouse, being Namazi

^ i dunno... i think its self conscience

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loved ones... the thought of upsetting them, losing them, disappointing them stops us from doing bad stuff... we dont want to be losers thats what stops us from doing bad stuff

i am scared of going to hell.. but for me hell would be to be without my spouse, without my child... that's hell. And that's what stops us from doing the stuff that may hurt them... not religion

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Yes it does make you a better person. It will stop u from gambling, adultery, alcoholism. Any other man made law will at least cannot stop you from #1 and #3

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I dunno. I know a few people who are 5x and they are very disciplined and self controlled people, but maybe that's how they already are and thats how they would be if they werent?

So for a person who isn't very disciplined in their life and do...well hel of alot of sins, will starting to pray 5x stop them from sinning?

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TLK,

u dont need man made laws to stop u from doing bad things

gambling and alcoholism affects our loved ones and family... hence thats why we wouldnt indulge in such activities..

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Do U mean man made laws wont stop u from gambling and alcoholism?

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how can you say that that it doesn't make you better of a human being than someone who doesn't? are you God?

ps. i dont pray to be better than someone...or i can also excuse myself since someone else is commiting more sins then me so together we can have a mooj-mela in Hell..i pray cuz in Quran it says everywhere Pray and donate....pray and donate....pray and donate.

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exactly zobia, are u God to say that someone who doesnt pray is not a good human being? who are we to judge anyone?? what God given right have we got to say somenoe who doesnt pray is not a human being??

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ps. i dont pray to be better than someone...or i can also excuse myself since someone else is commiting more sins then me so together we can have a mooj-mela in Hell..i pray cuz in Quran it says everywhere Pray and donate....pray and donate....pray and donate.
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so from what ur saying, as long as u pray and donate, u have a free ticket to heaven? good for u!

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Outside religion, only morality can stop you. I am not talking about moralityMorality has no logic, and what is the difference between morality and religion anyways?

I am not aware on any secular country's laws that could stop you from these two

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I was making a joke about the "effort" that praying requires, apparently it wasnt that funny :-/. I just meant that in order to make your prayers, you kind of have to make a conscious thought to do it, so it means you're consiously thinking about islam. Also, i never meant to say that a person who takes time out for namaz will take time out for their family. It just means they think about islam.

And someone who is not religious can be an excellent or horrible parent, it really doesn't tell you anything. Usually though, someone who cares about islam wants to marry someone who cares about islam. it's like aligning interests.

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Re: future spouse, being Namazi

^ because i dont think religion is what gives us morals

U think an atheist doesnt have morals? they indulge in adultery and other kinds of 'bad' stuff?

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Re: future spouse, being Namazi

atheist do have morals. I am asking that what is the logic behind morals and if there is, why cant we use the same logic to justify religion.

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thats what i thot u meant....but secular laws cant stop u from adultery, can they?

though I do think that there are laws against gambling and alcoholism (driving while intoxicated etc)...but not against consensual sex.

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i guess society, surroundings, upbringing and our conscience drives the types of morals we have

religion, the way we practise it is driven by our upbringing... not necessarily the society..

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Re: future spouse, being Namazi

Before looking to marry someone who prays 5x, I'll motivate my ownself to do it and then look for someone who is that punctual. I want my kids to pray 5x and follow Islam, and in order for that to happen, they need to have parents to look upto and an Islamic lifestyle at home. I don't think people realize how important namaz is.
My husband is a 6x namazi, even does tahajjud, quran, you name it.. regardless of where we are, I have never seen him miss namaz. He will stand on the sidewalk to pray if he has to, and he has done that many times. Does he attract attention, of course, but does he care, no. And because of that, I feel he has so many blessings, so much success, and so much peace in his life. Anything he wants, he gets it. He never stresses, he never lets anything effect him because he strongly believes in his prayers. You do that when you commit yourself 5x to your creator because that is the way to be close to Allah swt. It is the first thing you will be questioned about when you die and there's no masghfarat for missing it. And I'd never forgive myself if my kids don't understand that. I want them to understand the meaning and significance of praying rather than looking at it as something that if you don't do it, you're sinning.
I was never regular with my prayers and I'm so ashamed of how many I have missed in my life. But seeing my husband be so punctual with his motivated me. He never forced me to pray 5 times or do hijab or anything. He would ask me to pray and leave it at that. I'd feel bad when I saw him praying alone so I'd go join him and that's how it started. It brings you closer as a couple more than you can imagine.

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"Namaz behayaii aur buri baaton se rokti hai" "Namaz farz hai"Namaz is one of the 5 pillars of islam, If you are muslim and you are failing to do farz you can do anything. I am not saying that a person who doesn't read namaaz is a sinner but if your life is based on religion and you are not following its "FARAIZ" whats the point left in your life.
Namaaz is a mandatory thing it cannot be left but if your spouse is careless namazi its OK you can always guide him/her.

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i no where questioned your intention, rather questioned your question. btw, namaz doesn't mean to sit and stand and perform particular gestures. its about connecting and submitting yourself to sublime notion of sovereignty. so if you are saying connecting yourself to the one Who created you, doesn't make you a better human being then you definitely needs to read Quran.

lol. you must research that why this world was made on a first place, and that in six days?

praying and donating is really making me a free rider than what stopping you to avail such a charming deal (if thats so easy to do). in fact why everyone is not doing it? :)

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so if we take religion out of the equation, its the external pressures of our society and surroundings that drive us to morality? basically the fear of others, what other people might think of us…our own nafs or conscience doesn’t play too big a role here?

theres the difference i think, religion drives us to be a better person from the inside for ourselves and morality alone is dependent mainly on external influences. :hmmm:

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umm if u read what i said again, this is what i said… that our conscience drives us to being good people. What our family will think of us.. all that drives our morals…

im confused… ur disagreeing with me?

not really… the feeling of dsiappointing a loved one affects u, it’s also internal. Morals make us feel like better human beings… not that religion doesnt. But the point im trying to make is… if someone does not pray… it does not make them any less of a good human being

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Secular laws can stop me or at least punish me for adultery. If I cheat on my wife in USA, i can lose eberything if she decided to go to the court.

Society learned its morality from religion. Caveman did not have the same moral values as we have.

Nice explanation.

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^ so atheist and people who dont have a religion do not have morals?