France bans Muslim prayers on streets in Paris

[hareem01]

Re: France bans Muslim prayers on streets in Paris

The ban came from the right-wingers so it does prove Theorist's point.

[Theorist]

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So I'm an idiot and I don't even want non-muslims around me.

Well, if you want to take it personally, I can't help you there..

[BarbieCue]

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@Theorist

Well, if you want to take it personally, I can’t help you there..

No no help me out. YOU sound like them, not me:

@Theorist

But why would you pray on streets? Say a religion allows you to eat from another person’s plate without requiring his/her permission, would you stop him from reaching to your plate to grab a bite? I think you would..

Your actions have to make sense to be even allowed in the first place.. praying in streets

@Theorist

They don’t allow nudity for a reason. It’s offensive! wearing abaya = half clothed women in public. Being nude = praying in streets. That’s how I see it.

[EyEsOnSkY]

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very simple!! if u not agree whatever u think its stopping u to be lived or present yourself as a true muslim JST leave that country and GO back to your home where u can do anything which u think its according to islamic way of living.

Islamic teaching allowed us a lot of ways how to survive and do act according with situations. IF you knows u gonna missing your prayers unko JAMMA karlo in travel you could short your prayers, no one sttoping you to be a muslim or stopping prayers, almost in all international airport you can find even prayers room, to doing prayers in a public place is nothing but just ek tamasha.

[CM]

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The ban came from the right-wingers so it does prove Theorist's point.

No it didn't. The ban was not implemented by Le Pen's party. If i recall correctly the Mayor is Socialist. Not Far right.

[Theorist]

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@CM

Comeback? Its fact. Seriously nude hiking occurs all year round. And most parts of the alps from Cran Montana to Grindlewald have no snow in the summer.

okay!

I forgot what point I was trying to make… nevermind!

[CM]

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@EyEsOnSkY

very simple!! if u not agree whatever u think its stopping u to be lived or present yourself as a true muslim JST leave that country and GO back to your home where u can do anything which u think its according to islamic way of living.

Islamic teaching allowed us a lot of ways how to survive and do act according with situations. IF you knows u gonna missing your prayers unko JAMMA karlo in travel you could short your prayers, no one sttoping you to be a muslim or stopping prayers, almost in all international airport you can find even prayers room, to doing prayers in a public place is nothing but just ek tamasha.

So Pakistani Christians should move to Europe. Yes that is a recipe for cultural and religious harmony.

[Theorist]

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No no help me out. YOU sound like them, not me:

ok, if you say so! I have nothing against people praying in streets or wearing abaya or walking nude or walking scantly clad. You have a problem people drinking, effing' and all those things that do not directly affect your life... these people who are against you wearing abaya or praying in streets are also against Islam in many ways just as you are against secularism for different reasons. Two sides of the same coin really..

[EyEsOnSkY]

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@CM

So Pakistani Christians should move to Europe. Yes that is a recipe for cultural and religious harmony.

CM a lot of christians left Pakistan just becoz of discrimations against them, I am wrong? plz dont compare with Pakistan you must know how the lifes of miniorities are in here. they dont feel easy to live here so they left so as for as the peoples thinks that europe or west are not good for them should be leave and live in some islamic country.

[mAd_ScIeNtIsT]

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CM a lot of christians left Pakistan just becoz of discrimations against them, I am wrong? plz dont compare with Pakistan you must know how the lifes of miniorities are in here. they dont feel easy to live here so they left so as for as the peoples thinks that europe or west are not good for them should be leave and live in some islamic country.

But most Christians of Pakistani origin still remain in Pakistan.

[Theorist]

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^they don't have any means to get out. They are stuck pretty much.

[hareem01]

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@CM

No it didn’t. The ban was not implemented by Le Pen’s party. If i recall correctly the Mayor is Socialist. Not Far right.

Yeah you’re right, I googled it, Le Pen’s party demanded it but the actual ban came from this dude Claude Gueant but he’s not Socialist, he’s from the Union for a Popular Movement a centre-right political party in France.

Isn’t it true that right-wingers don’t really support Secularism?

[psyah]

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@hareem01

Yeah you’re right, I googled it, Le Pen’s party demanded it but the actual ban came from this dude Claude Gueant but he’s not Socialist, he’s from the Union for a Popular Movement a centre-right political party in France.

Isn’t it true that right-wingers don’t really support Secularism?

Not true - Left and Right wing operate within secularism … The question of secular or not secular is not allowed to even be asked …

You are are either conservative (control bias) or liberal (freedom bias) … capitalist (wealth to individuals) or socialist (wealth to state/populous) and every one of these are supposed to be secular. Even centre standers are supposed to be secular.

That they do not bring religion in to the affairs of the government …

[Amal]

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Yes and infringing on the rights of minorities is just the way to go about in a forward thinking manner. Mirch you do know you need permission from the city Municipality to build a mosque? In Bern Switzerland they have refused to allow the building of a mosque for the past 30 years. Muslims in Bern pray in different warehouses and in basements due to the council's decision.

Same here. People can not build mosques without the cities approval and considering the past 5 yeas of french secularism, their requests have most likely been rejected. To expand or build a mosque you need a permit. From the very same people that banned the prayers in the street.

If you don't like it, leave it. France isn't a Muslim country. Islam therefore forbids to settle in a non-Muslim country. If you are living in their country, than you have to respect their decisions and laws. And if you want a mosque and your way of life, leave France and settle in any Muslim country.

By the way, how easy it is to build a church in Saudi Arabia or UAE?

[hareem01]

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@psyah

Not true - Left and Right wing operate within secularism … The question of secular or not secular is not allowed to even be asked …

You are are either conservative (control bias) or liberal (freedom bias) … capitalist (wealth to individuals) or socialist (wealth to state/populous) and every one of these are supposed to be secular. Even centre standers are supposed to be secular.

That they do not bring religion in to the affairs of the government …

yeah that makes sense.

wonder what Theorists has to say to this.

[Captain1]

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@Mirch

See it this way , it is a economy boosting measure of French government. How ? This ban will start many projects to build more masajids and expansion of existing ones. That construction boom will give a boost to French economy .

Instead of whining the Muslims in those areas should have been working on expanding masajids and building more to accommodate all the namazi . What if there is rain and snow how can people pray on the streets in rain and snow.
Some of the laws and changes are good for us and should spark positive thinking instead of whining and ranting. Whining and ranting instead of forward thinking and planning has gotten us all into this mess we are in now a days and if we do not change our behavior we are going nowhere.

Thank you for giving me the laugh

@Khalil KhaaN FaaKhta

**Muslims are the ONLY ones i’ve seen praying on the streets…never saw a Hindu/Sikh/Budhist pray on the sidewalks/streets … we think our religion is the RIGHT one so we have the RIGHT to pray wherever we like…we MUST respect the local customs and NOT offend people unnecessarily…PERIOD!!! **

Do Hinduism/Sikhism require a “mandatory” multiple prayers in a day? Think before comparing.

[hareem01]

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If you don't like it, leave it. France isn't a Muslim country. Islam therefore forbids to settle in a non-Muslim country. If you are living in their country, than you have to respect their decisions and laws. And if you want a mosque and your way of life, leave France and settle in any Muslim country.

By the way, how easy it is to build a church in Saudi Arabia or UAE?

But Saudi and UAE aren't secular states, I think that was the main point of this thread.

[TLK]

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A good step by French.

Why would someone offer a prayer on footpath anyway? Seriously, we Muslims have forgotten all the manners.

I agree. In fact yeah jo drama bazi hotee hai pakistan main where religious juloos stop the juloos in the middle of M. A. Jinnah road, and hold the traffic for 1-2 hours to do Zuhr prayer; this drama should stop. Go to Mosque people, there are hospitals on that road and when you stop the traffic, you stop patients and ambulances to reach the hospital. You will be cursed for your namaz by Allah, no reward for this act.

[Captain1]

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CM a lot of christians left Pakistan just becoz of discrimations against them, I am wrong? plz dont compare with Pakistan you must know how the lifes of miniorities are in here. they dont feel easy to live here so they left so as for as the peoples thinks that europe or west are not good for them should be leave and live in some islamic country.

People leave Pakistan not because of "religious" discrimination, there are thousands of other discriminations which are far more violent like Mohajir/Pathan/Sindhi/Baluch/Punjabi etc. People are leaving Pakistan not because religious lack of freedom rather lack of overall security.

[BarbieCue]

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@Theorist

ok, if you say so! I have nothing against people praying in streets or wearing abaya or walking nude or walking scatly clad. You have a problem people drinking, effing’ and all those things that do not directly affect your life… these people who are against you wearing abaya or praying in streets are also against Islam in many ways just as you are against secularism for different reasons. Two sides of the same coin really..

Lol this isn’t a coin, this is a love triangle.