Foundation of MQM

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Well there you..

read your reply carefull. you just proved 5, Didn't you.
Here what you said"1&2 are hard facts"

I have bn victim of muhajir discrimination my self so don't tell me that its not true.

I have heard my land lady saying it a million time that they will take their own country.(why is it a surprise for you you just said pakistan was un-necessary)

Thanks to altaf hussain now the most educated segment of pakistan's society thinks pakistan is un necessary.
well there is a little fact. *WE(non mqm pakis) feel very uncomfortable hearing it.
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^Ok here is my brother overly obsessed with a leader who is calling pakistan a blunder. My hard luck that my brother and that leader are from same ethnicity.
Now please tell me how do I criticize the affiliation of my brother to that leader, with out being politically incorrect.

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you contradict yourself. earlier you said:

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The ideology that drives MQM is the prosperity of Pakistan and the realization of the dream for which our people came to Pakistan in the first place.

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Now if there was no need to create Pakistan or Pakistan shouldnt have been created, why did our people come to Pakistan? Are our people in the wrong place?
What was the dream which our people came for, that we would one day be able to say "This country is the greatest mistake in the history of the world?". Kindof a sucky dream.

Secondly, if you say that the logical end of Pakistan is its disintegration, then can you explain what prosperity of Pakistan MQM is working towards?

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just notice the parts of the posts I edited out. I removed the meaningless, useless name calling like "bhangi" and "chooran wala". in another thread I removed molana "fuzzylulla". you can talk and communicate in the language you usually talk and communicate in, without this stuff.

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On every thread concerning terrorist attacks, you divert the attention of the topic to mush and mqm, as well as laugh at the army or others killed in the attacks and call them names. We all have read your posts. What is their to prove?

MQM has always been fighting jihadis, long before it was popular around the world to fight jihadis. The most prominent anti-terrorism rallies in Pakistan with the most people have been called by the MQM, and only the MQM. MQM’s voice is clear and not muddled on the issue of terrorism. We are not on the fence or the side of the jihadis unlike the other camps.

Feel free to my earlier post on the subject: http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showpost.php?p=5403180&postcount=14

WHY!?!
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Repeating lies (all sourced from the one single source itself) is not going to change how APMSO and MQM came into being. There is a lot of anti-MQM propaganda on the net and in Pakistan. It is no suprise as ISI/MI launched a huge propaganda campaign against the MQM. This is one of the lies from their propaganda and is also illogical.

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MQM believes in the doctrine of realism not “khayali pulloas”. Pakistan exists today and must remain a viable state. The alternative is neither pretty nor desirable.

Refer to an earlier post on the subject on history of Pakistan: http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showpost.php?p=5110687&postcount=29

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lol yeah right, telegraph, asiatimes, sun, paktribute are all unauthentic, whereas mqm.com is the most authentic, historically accurate site... Abey what else do you expect a 'creature' like Altaf hussain to do in the west rather than driving cabs, become the CEO of micro-saaft?

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Is driving a cab, being a garbage collector, a plumber or any other blue collar work bad?

What is it with Pakistanis that they show no respect for a person that is trying to make a living. Yet, they complain about the Indians and their treatment of low caste people.

It is time Pakistanis embraced all professions. We need all kinds of working people to keep the economy and the infrastructure moving in the right direction.

God Bless Pakistan. God Bless President Musharaf. Now there are unprecedented job opportunities in Pakistan. :jhanda:

Timepaas
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^ i agree. the altaf cab back and forth is both silly and insulting to a lot of Pakistanies who do drive cabs.

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so to distill your post, nobody but the muhajirs and bangalies really wanted Pakistan, Pakistan has feudalism in large parts of the country, and we killed a lot of Bangalies in 1971, which is why Pakistan is the biggest blunder in the history of the world.

Let me know if I missed anything there.

Can I ask you who made the biggest blunder in the history of the world, Jinnah and his ML? Remember that statement questions the actual creation of the country, not the subsequent things that happened. Killing 3 million bangalies is not the inevitable outcome of the creation of Pakistan, nor is giving nuclear weapons to north korea. Specious reasoning.

One can take the litany of the wrongs of any country, say Germany, and say that 6 million jews being killed shows that Prince Bismarck was wrong to make Germany into a confederation. The wiping out of American Indians doesnt show that America is the biggest blunder in the history of the world, merely that that genocide was wrong.

You fail to answer whether the actual presence of Muhajirs in Pakistan is a mistake. That dream you talk about that MQM is supposedly working for, what is its status now? Is it a dream or is it a big blunder? If India offers to take you back, would you and altaf and co be going?

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And I think they must be in millions around the world? USA, UK, Korea, Australia, Japan, the Middle East and where not!

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^ further beyond the class bigotry there is no reason why driving cabs is a less valid employment than a cricketer, a kissan, a factory owner, a chaudry or anything else.

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ravage and aalsi munna, no one here is saying cab driving is an insult, but your beloved kehkashan is denying the fact that Altaf bhaya used to be a cab driver in the past... We are discussing the 'foundation of the mqm' now as much as you love this organization, we should be allowed to freely discuss the 'foundations' of this political organization and the circumstances as to how it came into being, when a cabbie in the US was called back to lead a party...

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^ further beyond the class bigotry there is no reason why driving cabs is a less valid employment than a cricketer, a kissan, a factory owner, a chaudry or anything else.

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oh, and ravage, in case you didnt know, most of the cab drivers in the US are 'illegal' and being illegal in a country is a crime itself, so yes, its less valid according to your own definition... you mentioned 'being a chaudhry' along with being a cricketer, factory owner, or farmer, what exactly do you have to do if ure a chaudhry, become a chief justice? talk about irrationality...

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Its actually insulting for cab drivers to know that they share the same profession as Altaf Hussain, point taken...

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sure, im not singling you out especially, the whole argument is silly, you for trying to prove it and him for even giving a crap about cab drivers.

i didnt remove your posts, so you are “allowed” to discuss it. But the quality of this discussion is, well, idiotic. if you actually want to show that its relevant and all this talk is more than just a privileged upper-middle class guy sneering at cab drivers, then you have to show what influence the cab driving had on MQM and its leadership.

a) It may be less valid if you can SHOW that he was illegal in the country, and then the focus should be on him working illegally, not him driving cabs.
b) Where did i “define” valid employment. In my view, driving cabs is a more valid “rozi” than just happening to be born on a large piece of land, and living off that privilege.

Lets not be deliberately obtuse. While chaudry is a common surname, it is a vocation too, traditionally means ancestral landowner. Heres a reference:

Im sure they will nominate you to speak for them, having seen your rather obvious feelings of animus against them, stemming Im sure from the very typical mentality of superiority Pakistanies have towards blue collar workers.

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Ravage, i dont want to write paras of senseless arguments like you just did, but prove to me where I have feeling of 'animus' against cab drivers, apart from saying many of them are 'illegal' which is a fact... If its not against the rules to discuss altafs profession, why do you have a problem with it, plus Ive provided proof from 4-5 diff sites, one of them even alleges he was deported after his asylum application was denied but I left that out...

Oh and my chowkidaar in Pakistan is a chaudhry too, people who YOU show feelings of 'animus' against, and I dont think he makes more than 5K pakistani rupees per month, let alone own be an ancestral landowner lol

Ab shabash achey bachoon ki tartha posts move/delete karo, while i delete my inbox full of your PMs...

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Question is, why would you try to "prove" that? Either help us understand what impact Altaf being a cab driver makes, or be content with people understanding that you mean to use it in a negative sense. To quote you "ex-cabbie jahilia", if its not animus, then what is the point of the adjective? Not once, before you were taken up on this, did you mention the illegal bit, not once did you mention that he might have been deported (you highmindedly left it out). Explain then, to us misunderstanding people, what the point was.

Im not enforcing rules when I say you and Khehkeshan are having a silly conversation, merely being another person on the forum. Not a rule to be intelligent here, although Im sure everyone wishes it were. But then you and I might not be around.

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Oh and my chowkidaar in Pakistan is a chaudhry too, people who YOU show feelings of 'animus' against, and I dont think he makes more than 5K pakistani rupees per month, let alone own be an ancestral landowner lol

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A trojan can mean a disruptive software and a condom!!! AMAZING!!

Do you dispute the wiki link I gave you? Why dont you modify it to say it only means your chowkidaar?

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Ab shabash achey bachoon ki tartha posts move/delete karo, while i delete my inbox full of your PMs...
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Why delete my PMs? I spend so much time writing those

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^ ravage, if you bother to read the posts properly on page one, the fact that he was a cab driver has to do with the foundation of the party, as Zia asked him to come to pakistan and form a party, and thats what someone here was denying, and thats why I posted the links to prove that... Now if you dont like that, thats another issue, I wont bother with that... As for your wiki links, I hope you do know anyone with a keyboard can put up anything they want on wikipedia, but the fact that you singled out chaudhries when mentioning farmers, cricketers etc was because youre not too fond of them, and I can based on that easily bet that you just like kehkashan have antipunjabi sentiments...