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^ Taleben terrorism cannot be condoned, but everything is not in black and white. If we want to talk about the creation of taleban we will have to go back to Bhutto's government. Long story cut short, Bhutto started arming Afghan rebels, Zia cultivated them with the help of CIA to defeat USSR, Benazir organized them in the shape of taleban and Musharraf deteriorated the sitation by playing games (by conducting half hearted operations). I have sympathies with ANP, but I believe they could have done more to bring FATA into the mainstream. They could have forced the government to revoke FCR and begun a process of negotiations with the tribals to isolate the taleban.
Balochistan is another issue started by Musharraf but spoilt by Zardari. Since 2010 abductions, killing and dumpings in the province began which have complicated the issue. What steps did Balochistan government take stop this? What happened to the funds released by the federal government on the pretext of aghaaz e haqooq Balochistan package? What excuse did the Chief Minister of this province have to reside in Islamabad for over 95 % of his time while his province was burning? Did he bring to task the ministers on whom there were allegations of abductions?
As far as Karachi is concerned please list the steps taken by the previous government to curb terrorism during the past five years?
In the end, please elaborate Pakistan's counter terrorism policy (Mind you we are in war for the past 10 years)?
there is a right time for everything ali...yes we can go back and debate everything in a histrocial context but that is not going to solve the immediate problem....
fact remains that these parties and masses in those provinces need support and passion from punjab and PTI/PMLN so that they shd feel part of the process....
i am absolutely not suggesting that elections shd be postponed but at least PTI and PMLN could have taken some token steps i.e. announce some jalsas in those provinces....announce that the IK and NZ will contesting from those provinces as well ... a joint press conference with those effected parties ...to show that political parties are together against Taliban....
but the way things are going on right now is simply awful....and that is why i posted a scenario to make a point that how would PTI feel if tables were turned....
sense of isolation among smaller provinces is a very bad thing and it will have very bad consequences for the country..maybe not rigt away but definitely sometime soon
^ How can Punjab help without seeming to be interfering in their affairs? If PPP led government failed to take back the Foreign and internal security policies its their failure, not Punjab’s.
By the way PTI held jalsas both in Balochistan and Sindh today.
PTI will put an end to military operation in Balochistan: Imran | Pakistan - geo.tv
The critics should wait for either party to come to power before judging them.
Did you follow the news that JUIF jalsa and PMLN office were attacked in Balochistan today? The Baloch militants dont want elections in the province. What do you think can be done there?
There’s a difference in Baloch militants and TTP.
Baloch militants have called for a week long strike (5-11 May) to disrupt the polls in the province.
This is Balochistan…
http://dawn.com/2013/04/27/balochistan-teachers-refuse-to-perform-election-duties-following-threats/
Attack at JI office injures at least four in Sibi | DAWN.COM
Balochistan: Militants attack PPP office, injure two | AAJ News
Four injured after bomb hurled at PML-N office in Quetta | DAWN.COM
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Pakistan is a strange country, benefit of doubt is accorded to those who have provided us a nightmarish tenure of five years and those are held responsible who have never had a chance to rule the country.
If an analysis of the issue has to be done, I believe it should be a wholesome analysis and not a one dimensional picture.
As a Pakistani I do want the situation of the other three provinces to be improved, I do want ALL Pakistanis to be accorded an equal status within the framework of the country. But we do need to ask us just one question, did these issues arise over night? If the answer is no, we do have a right to ask the previous government what steps they took to curb the terrorism menace from the country.
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What is PTI 's policy regarding handling of terrorism that we have in Karachi - please post :)
And what happend to Imran's stance on bringing Mqm to the court for 12th May incident ?
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Pakistan is a strange country, benefit of doubt is accorded to those who have provided us a nightmarish tenure of five years and those are held responsible who have never had a chance to rule the country.
If an analysis of the issue has to be done, I believe it should be a wholesome analysis and not a one dimensional picture.
As a Pakistani I do want the situation of the other three provinces to be improved, I do want ALL Pakistanis to be accorded an equal status within the framework of the country. But we do need to ask us just one question, did these issues arise over night? If the answer is no, we do have a right to ask the previous government what steps they took to curb the terrorism menace from the country.
not fair Ali....no one is saying that we shd not question PPP's or ANP or MQM performance but i am having a separate discussion
anyway, i think i have already stated my viewpoint...you are blaming those parties who have at least done "something" against taliban....that is the point....enough or not enough is a separate topic as it is hard to decide... but we all know that ANP is trying to fight terrorism situation and talibanism in NWFP... half of their leadership is dead in bomb attacks...PPP/MQM can be blamed for many things they are not exactly taliban lovers either..and that is why they are being targeted by talibans and f***rom that perspective* they need a broadbased political support not further isolationism
ironically one party who actually did protect or harbor terrorists/talibans is PMLN and no doubt it is not on the Taliban's hit list.....that sort of sums it up..s
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Im all for deploying army in Karachi and other troubled areas so that ALL parties could hold their rallies and meetings. This would help all the mazloom and wanna-be-shaheed parties. And ofcourse, PTI would have no complaints either ;-)
Infact, Army should have been ASKED to be deployed by the previous mazloom PPP/ANP/MQM govt at least in Karachi :P
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In all honesty, how many times was MQM attacked in past? ANP has been under attack constantly, but not PPP or MQM, howcome suddenly around election times these parties are getting attacked... did you wonder that?
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^^ they are such drama parties...MQM is headed by king of dramas....
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In all honesty, how many times was MQM attacked in past? ANP has been under attack constantly, but not PPP or MQM, howcome suddenly around election times these parties are getting attacked... did you wonder that?
thx..i am sure we were saying the same about mujeeb and his party too in 71!!
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thx..i am sure we were saying the same about mujeeb and his party too in 71!!
If I were your age then may be yes, may be not...
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If I were your age then may be yes, may be not...
what the hell do you know abt my age ?
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What is PTI 's policy regarding handling of terrorism that we have in Karachi - please post :)
And what happend to Imran's stance on bringing Mqm to the court for 12th May incident ?
I have discussed this many times. Please elaborate the policy of the parties ruling Karachi (during the past 30 years) for freeing the city from terror? This is more important as compared to a party which has never got a seat there and might not get it in the coming elections too. Does the way of peace go through bori band laashain, bhatta khori, no go areas, militant wings and politicised police?
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not fair Ali....no one is saying that we shd not question PPP's or ANP or MQM performance but i am having a separate discussion
anyway, i think i have already stated my viewpoint...you are blaming those parties who have at least done "something" against taliban....that is the point....enough or not enough is a separate topic as it is hard to decide... but we all know that ANP is trying to fight terrorism situation and talibanism in NWFP... half of their leadership is dead in bomb attacks...PPP/MQM can be blamed for many things they are not exactly taliban lovers either..and that is why they are being targeted by talibans and f***rom that perspective* they need a broadbased political support not further isolationism
ironically one party who actually did protect or harbor terrorists/talibans is PMLN and no doubt it is not on the Taliban's hit list.....that sort of sums it up..s
As far as I can see, KPK, balochistan and karachi are all different issues.
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philospher and me.... huh...if i was trying to be philosopher, I would have tried to bring several tangential points or what not....i am trying to be focused
but hey i am definitely not intellectually bankrupt or intellectually dishonest ... taliban issued a stern warning to few parties and then launched attacks on them everywhere not only in karachi ... as of now, i only see election campaign going on in punjab and nothing in NWFP, Sindh and Baluchsitan....only 2 days ago, almost 1/3 of school teachers in balochistan refused to be polling agents for upcoming elections...yesterday ANP/MQM/PPP did a press conference together and what if they boycott the elections? memories of 1971 keep coming back...we cannot isolate other provinces
I am just deeply disturbed that PTI and PMLN are not showing any sensitivity to this situation .... no statements or actions from their leadership...except cancelling their jalsas in karachi and what not.....and solely focusing on Punjab and a bit on pakhtoonkhawa
and just look at the reasoning of PTI suppoerters on this forum....they are calling PPP/PTI/ANP political terrors equivalent to taliban and what not.....
Lets get one thing clear first. Karachi is a separate issue. The militant wings of MQM, PPP and ANP have had a turf war with religious extremists for a very long time, and it is as much a fight for bhatta rights as it is anything else.
PTI has made plenty of statements regarding the current crop of terrorism, and has expressed grief and sorrow. I dont know what else they could do. Suspend their campaign?
And PTI just did 3 jalsas yesterday in Baluchistan and Sindh.
And like I said before, whats stopping these parties from campaigning in Punjab?
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If karachiites want to free their city from terrorism as a first they should shun all those groups who have militant wings, and force the government to take across the board action against all militants (regardless of their ethnicity and sect). There is a good cop, bad cop attitude in the city, leave my group alone but do an operation against the opponents, this will not bring peace. Karachi is a cosmopolitan city, any attempts of seizing the city by force (turf wars) will result in the situation we have now.
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Sadha haq eithe rakh:D:
Haq parsat haq parst :D:
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What really amuses me is when people who have no clue of ground realities of karachi , talk with such authority that they know it ALL :)
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What really amuses me is when people who have no clue of ground realities of karachi , talk with such authority that they know it ALL :)
We would appreciate if the people who have knowledge of the ground realities share how the law and order of the city can be improved.
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^not easy
Karachi need to be run by independently, it's a huge metro city and need it's own govern body. Direct under control of central govt.not under provincial govt.
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^not easy
Karachi need to be run by independently, it's a huge metro city and need it's own govern body. Direct under control of central govt.not under provincial govt.
Even if it is given under the central government, do you think there can be peace in the city with all stake holders having militant wings?