Re: Firing on Mohabbat Sindh Rally in Karachi
Well said :k:
I know many ‘mohajirs’ who hate the terrorist MQM who claim to speak for them.
Re: Firing on Mohabbat Sindh Rally in Karachi
situation remained tense in different parts of Sindh!! :(
Re: Firing on Mohabbat Sindh Rally in Karachi
**KARACHI:
Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) leader Marvi Memon has alleged that the “same people are responsible for the events of May 22 who were behind those on May 12, 2007”.
She has also alleged that the “MQM is behind the Mohajir Sooba Tehreek”, and believes that she is being targeted because she is making this claim.
Re: Firing on Mohabbat Sindh Rally in Karachi
Your theory does not make sense, simply because MQM terrorists have been killing innocent people in the nameof 'Jinnahpur', long before this govt was in power.
Most people demanding Muhajir sooba had one common question, "If South Punjab can become a seperate province then why not Karachi"? and you can't argue with that. MQM terrorists kill innocent people for so many other reasons as well, no one is disputing that but you know very well that an average Urdu speaking citizen will also join the tehreek of Muhajir sooba even the ones who don't support MQM. Najam Sethi also summed it up well in the video posted in this thread, PPP gave people an opportunity and they are pouncing on it.
PMLN also came with idiotic statement like " Punjab k jitnay marzi tukray ho jayein, Sindh ko taqseem nahi honay daingay". It is stupid to say these things but they were pushed in the corner by PPP and i am sure PPP will suffer even more now. They may gain some votes in South Punjab (IF they can make it a seperate province) but they will surely lose support in Sindh.
Re: Firing on Mohabbat Sindh Rally in Karachi
Demand for Mohajir province: Rally attack creates rift within ruling party – The Express Tribune
**KARACHI: ****The attack on the Awami Tehreek rally in Karachi, which claimed 13 lives on Tuesday, has intensified divisions in the senior Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) leadership.
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**Party ministers have not only demanded an explanation from the federal interior minister for his remarks regarding the involvement of people from Thatta in the violence, but have also asked the party to approach its coalition partner, the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM), and ask it to clarify its stance on a prospective Mohajir province.
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**Heated exchange
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Heated words were exchanged during the Sindh Cabinet meeting of PPP ministers on Wednesday, sources said. The situation became tense when the provincial culture minister, Sassui Palijo, started criticising Interior Minister Rehman Malik and the MQM.
Sassui, who belongs to Thatta, is the first cousin of Ayaz Palijo who held the Awami Tehreek rally.
A majority of PPP ministers, including Murad Ali Shah, Jam Saifullah Dharejo, Zahid Bhurgari, Ali Nawaz Shah and Ayaz Soomro, seconded Sassui and decided to lodge a complaint with President Asif Ali Zardari against Malik, sources added.
Senior minister Pir Mazharul Haq attempted to intervene and reiterated President Zardari’s reconciliation policy, in vain.
“We will not accept the reconciliation policy at the cost of killing our people. We have now arrived at a point where we make or break the alliance,” sources quoted Sassui as replying.
**Seeking clarification
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Chief Minister Qaim Ali Shah tried to pacify Sassui and Haq and said he would talk to Governor Sindh Dr Ishratul Ebad and ask him to clarify his party (MQM’s) position on the Mohajir province.
**“Today, I have received information from police and intelligence agencies that some elements belonging to his party (the MQM) are patronising the movement and are also involved in the attack on the rally. Let us get his version on it before taking any decision,” a lawmaker present at the meeting quoted the chief minister as saying.
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**Sindh Finance Minister Murad Ali Shah, addressing the chief minister, said, “We should look into why the police and Rangers were getting directives from the Governor House, instead of you.”
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The provincial cabinet decided to take action against police officials who were silent spectators when the rally was attacked.
The meeting also expressed concern over the non-compliance of the chief minister’s orders, by the district administration, to remove billboards and banners across the city calling for a Mohajir province.
A spokesperson for the chief minister, however, said that no heated arguments were exchanged between the ministers, who, according to him, demanded an impartial inquiry and action against the criminals.
**In the name of reconciliation
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Officials of intelligence agencies and paramilitary forces said they cannot be blamed for the deteriorating law and order situation.
**“This has all happened in the name of reconciliation,” sources quoted the director-general Rangers as saying.
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**“We arrest people and hand them over to the police, but they are all released by the police on the directives of high-ups,” he added.
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**The Rangers chief sought the chief minister’s “full permission” for action against those suspected of being involved in violence but sources said the chief minister did not give him a direct response.
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The meeting also sought to regulate rallies, processions and public gatherings and designate special days for holding them. No decisions, however, were arrived at.
Published in The Express Tribune, May 24[SUP]th[/SUP], 2012.
Re: Firing on Mohabbat Sindh Rally in Karachi
Sindh Finance Minister Murad Ali Shah, addressing the chief minister, said, “We should look into why the police and Rangers were getting directives from the Governor House, instead of you.”
kiyunke bhung ka nasha sharab ke nashe se ziada hota hai.
Re: Firing on Mohabbat Sindh Rally in Karachi
It is his opinion. But your presentation is as if his opinion is undeniable. Secondly, did he say that it was MQM leadership who ordered the firing on that rally?
As far as politics of ethnicity and language, everyone is involved in it. Including PMLN, PPP, ANP, JSQM, etc. This is how votes in Pakistan are distributed across the country.
Re: Firing on Mohabbat Sindh Rally in Karachi
Sindh Finance Minister Murad Ali Shah, addressing the chief minister, said, “We should look into why the police and Rangers were getting directives from the Governor House, instead of you.”
kiyunke bhung ka nasha sharab ke nashe se ziada hota hai.
I am very sure this marriage of inconvenience is going to end pretty soon. PPP has been tolerating MQM only because of the votes it needs to stay in majority. But it never had intention of going ahead with local bodies elections, even after Sindh Court's verdict.
So eventually it will end up as low intensity civil war in Karachi, where Sindhi nationalists and Lyari Balochs will be killing Urdu speaking people indiscriminately and Urdu speaking people do the same with others.
Re: Firing on Mohabbat Sindh Rally in Karachi
I am very sure this marriage of inconvenience is going to end pretty soon. PPP has been tolerating MQM only because of the votes it needs to stay in majority. But it never had intention of going ahead with local bodies elections, even after Sindh Court's verdict. So eventually it will end up as low intensity civil war in Karachi, where Sindhi nationalists and Lyari Balochs will be killing Urdu speaking people indiscriminately and Urdu speaking people do the same with others.
I am sure PPP/MQM union is going to break before the election.. in fact both will become very hostile to each other on ethnic basis before the elections.. but this Noora Khusti will be to consolidate their ethnic votes.
Post election scenario will be totally different. Both will form an alliance again to share the winning bounties..
...and the story will go on and on..
Re: Firing on Mohabbat Sindh Rally in Karachi
Chief Minister Qaim Ali Shah tried to pacify Sassui and Haq and said he would talk to Governor Sindh Dr Ishratul Ebad and ask him to clarify his party (MQM’s) position on the Mohajir province.
*“Today, I have received information from police and intelligence agencies that some elements belonging to his party (the MQM) are patronising the movement and are also involved in the attack on the rally. *
I think this assumption is correct that people who attacked the rally were somehow related to MQM. There are criminal elements in MQM like other parties.
The interesting thing to see is if they were doing it from the blessing of MQM leadership.
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I am sure PPP/MQM union is going to break before the election.. in fact both will become very hostile to each other on ethnic basis before the elections.. but this Noora Khusti will be to consolidate their ethnic votes.
Post election scenario will be totally different. Both will form an alliance again to share the winning bounties..
...and the story will go on and on..
This alliance has already broken umpteen times already. But per Haider Abbas Rizvi, there was "international pressure" on MQM to save the government. He didn't specify what he meant but probably he was referring to the US.
If the composition of the next parliament is such that MQM's votes don't make difference for PPP then there is high chance of more bloodshed in the city.
Re: Firing on Mohabbat Sindh Rally in Karachi
the strategy is long term , not short term the final objective is a separate state , whatever denials and assurances they are giving are just political , read their wordings , all they say is they do not want the division of Sindh . but of course things could change anytime , as yesterday nearly on all channels they were owning up the people behind this Mohajir Sooba , ...saying they are our voters ........ Period.
and by the way , Karachi is already a STATE within a STATE .
Re: Firing on Mohabbat Sindh Rally in Karachi
This alliance has already broken umpteen times already. But per Haider Abbas Rizvi, there was "international pressure" on MQM to save the government. He didn't specify what he meant but probably he was referring to the US. If the composition of the next parliament is such that MQM's votes don't make difference for PPP then there is high chance of more bloodshed in the city.
The intention was never to quit the government.. but to either black mail the government to gain some concessions or to bring down the government to form a new government where they could get some better leverage.
Election politics is going to be however very different. Both get votes on ethnic grounds.. so they will pretend to be the ultimate saviors of their respective ethnic groups.. to consolidate their ethnic base votes. In case of ethnic fighting between two major ethnic groups of Sind.. both these political parties will gain and ensure their electoral successes..
Re: Firing on Mohabbat Sindh Rally in Karachi
the strategy is long term , not short term the final objective is a separate state , whatever denials and assurances they are giving are just political , read their wordings , all they say is they do not want the division of Sindh . but of course things could change anytime , as yesterday nearly on all channels they were owning up the people behind this Mohajir Sooba , ...saying they are our voters ........ Period.
and by the way , Karachi is already a STATE within a STATE .
No one knows who are behind these people, but yes the treatment of MQM of such people and their rallies says it all.
Re: Firing on Mohabbat Sindh Rally in Karachi
the strategy is long term , not short term the final objective is a separate state , whatever denials and assurances they are giving are just political , read their wordings , all they say is they do not want the division of Sindh . but of course things could change anytime , as yesterday nearly on all channels they were owning up the people behind this Mohajir Sooba , ...saying they are our voters ........ Period.
I think it is ok to demand the division of Sindh. MQM should say it as well.
The opposition to this demand should be democratically only. But instead we hear Sindhi nationalists warning of BLOODSHED.
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and by the way , Karachi is already a STATE within a STATE .
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Karachi is a mess.
Many Taliban supporters have been captured from the city. It is also a destination for Baloch separatists, whose presence was reported during Lyari operation. Lyari gangs also unleashed wave of extortion and kidnappings. According to CPLC, when Lyari operation was in process then there were no reported cases of extortion. Says a lot.
Then Karachi is also a favorite destination for sectarian killer organizations from Southern Punjab.
And on top of that Karachi is controlled by non-Karachiites from Larkana and Nawabshah instead of its local representatives. These people like to milk the city as much as possible but never care for resolving its problems.
Karachi is a mess. I think I would like to move from here.
Re: Firing on Mohabbat Sindh Rally in Karachi
I think it is ok to demand the division of Sindh. MQM should say it as well.
What does that mean?
Yes let MQM clarify its intentions.. Kab tak peeth main khanjar ghonpte rahenge..
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What peeth mein khanjar?
I don’t think MQM is ready to demand this division because it thinks it would be satisfied with local bodies elections. Even courts have ordered the same.
But if PPP continues to oppose these elections then MQM will demand the division as well.
PPP and Sindhi nationalists only consider Karachi as a golden goose.** They would love to run Karachi to be run through their selected people from Larkana and Nawabshah, instead of allowing local Karachiites to run the city.
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It is because of these administrators that after development it saw in the last decade, Karachi is again becoming a ruined city.
No more delays: Court orders Sindh to hold local govt elections in 90 days
Re: Firing on Mohabbat Sindh Rally in Karachi
This alliance has already broken umpteen times already. But per Haider Abbas Rizvi, there was "international pressure" on MQM to save the government. He didn't specify what he meant but probably he was referring to the US. If the composition of the next parliament is such that MQM's votes don't make difference for PPP then there is high chance of more bloodshed in the city.
It could be UK government behind this so called reconciliation.
Re: Firing on Mohabbat Sindh Rally in Karachi
No one from Sindh dislikes development in any area of Sindh including Karachi. The problem is not just with PPP, its also the mentality of MQM who consider Karachi as their jaageer. They don't like to share this jageer with other Pakistanis including Sindhis.
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No one from Sindh dislikes development in any area of Sindh including Karachi.
They don't mind development. But there is no development budget left after they fill out their coffers.
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The problem is not just with PPP, its also the mentality of MQM who consider Karachi as their jaageer. They don't like to share this jageer with other Pakistanis including Sindhis.
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The problem is not MQM or PPP or JI. The problem is not allowing the city to be run by its elected representatives.
As far as MQM considering Karachi its 'jageer' and stuff then the same can be said about PPP and Sindhi nationalists who consider Karachi their 'jageer' even without having any representation from the city. This is worse than MQM.