I have just been away from this thread for like 6 hours ( i had to sleep), and it has become into a jungle.
Red.Velvet you have wrote so much in retaliation, although much repetitive, agasint my one or two small posts, which would equally require a full reply from me.
But i would have to apologize I have more important things to concentrate on life at cuent than chant out numerous pages on answering my opinions.
It has almost already took me an hour to read through evrybodies out of control posts.
i will keep my answer brief, i hope R.V would understand thistime, if not, nadz has kindly helped in conveying across my viewpoints.
1) you have repetivly gone over and over again, my mere Opinion (not fatwa), of being able to find few 5 times praying gay people.
I hope you understand this was only a personal opinion, whcih everybody is entitled too.
I disagree that it is a generilsation, because according to to the life experiecne i have had that i based my opinion from, thats what i notice and deduce.
yes there r people who drink, do magic, gossip that pray 5 times. But i do not know why you seem to be emphazizing this so much, as similarly there are wrongs in thier own rights, which will be judged in particular to the individual by God himself.
-I hope you would agree that i never implied in any of my posts in this thread that people who pray 5 times always go to heaven and vice-versa.
- I** hope you understand the clear differance between GAY TENDENCCIES and GAY PRACTICES. I can figure from your post that you are think that i am equivilating the Islamic judgement on peolple that pratcice gay behaviour and people with gay tendencie (but those that do no pratice) as the same.**
You have misunderstood me twice here.
Firstly and to re-iterate again the objective of this thread is not to pass judgment on gay people finals destinies nor have i done that anywhere on this thread.
the objective of this thread was to protect the Islamic.Koranic stand on GAYNESS which a many where tarnishing on gup.shup.
There is a differance between what a perons thinks/feels and what a persons actions are.
It is harder to control ones thoughts/feelings than to control ones actions, and Allah knows this and correspondngly has more mercy towards ones the former inclinations.
A lot of men/women can and and do have some form/level of gay feelings.thoughts, but it does in no means mean or have i implied that they are equally condemeble as those who practice it---especially those that not only pratcie but proudly parade across streets on it.
It is is common knowledge in Islam that the size of thinking of doing a sin and actually doing it has a big differance, in any type of sin.
It is sad that some people cannot comprehend this, and i have to point it out.
Ofcourse there is a big differance in a man who has gay inclinations, but who is guilty of them and strives to avoid them and do the right, than compared to the one who has gay tendencies and activly lives them out.
I wish i have said enough to clarify myself.
Also r.v i did not in anyway accuse you of supporting or encourging gay people, through the quote you made from my post.
If you notice that post had been done prior to you entering this thread anyway, so it is foolish of you accusing me it was relating it from you.
I still stand on my stance that ANY HARAAM ACTVITY be it gayness, drinking, fornicating, gossiping, eatin pork, should not be publically encouraged in any way, by symphatizing, or emphatizing, which i felt some people on this thread are doing.
when nabi-pak has stated from so and so hadiths that so-and-so sinner will still go to heaven despite his so and so sins, it does not convey a public one-for-all type merciful and acceptance for that category of person or sins. Those were individual cases of people, to which he had licence to judge.
In Islam we are always encouraged to do as much right as we can.
But If a person cannot control inclinations toward a wrongful activity, then as i said earlier he should consult a learned person in seclusion, who can grant them exceptions or whatever relevant.
In all cases however one shud Certainly should avoid making public broadcast of thier wrongdoings/shortcomings expectating for mercy on allowance to do more.
In General in Islam we are always encouraged to do the right things and disencouraged from the wrong things.
and Note Encourgage/Discourage is different from JUDGEMENT.
I hope i have made myself clearer.
