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The army just proved what I've been saying a long time. Some days ago there was a thread comparing with US army. The author was saying pakistan soldier was better!
Now what? These guys are not only useless, they're actually harmful.
Pakistan must be only place where top brass in military are ruling the country while the soldiers are deserting
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I don't think 200 Soldiers of a Professional Army have ever surrendered to a bunch of rag tag militias since World War II
Dien Bien Phu?
There will almost certainly be an investigation or possibly court martial of any of those soldiers who survive this; especially so of their officers. This represents the Army's biggest humiliation since 1971.
pray tell maddy how many court martials have there been for the 1971 war, the loss of siachen or kargil?
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wat u ve to say about 95000 soldiers of professional Pak Army surrendering to rag tag Mukti bahani in Dec 1971
The surrender in 1971 was to the Indian Army, not the Mukti Bahani.
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Dien Bien Phu?
pray tell maddy how many court martials have there been for the 1971 war, the loss of siachen or kargil?
There may not have been a court martial for 1971, but the senior officer at the scene was punished (Niazi).
Neither Siachen nor Kargil involved military humiliation. Siachen was not controlled by the Pak Army when India seized it, so there was no defeat, and Kargil ended under civilian pressure rather than battlefield defeat.
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^^ Niazi was sent to fight a lost war. Tikka Khan should have been court martialed for his blunders after azam khan. But, instead, bhutto used him in balokistan and he got full military honors even at his death.
This is all the proof that intelligent people [Zakk? Mr. Ehsan?] should need to see how much bhutto [the most powerful pm of pakistan] was complicit in the breakup of Pakistan.
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they surrendered to India and not to Bengali rebels
whats the difference when both mukti bahani and indian army were allies in the war.
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who is Moin yaar?
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^^ you never heard of moin.ul.atiq ? 
He has under 1,000 posts but has become a legend in Gupshup with his posts
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Dien Bien Phu?
The Vietnamese had atrillery, anti-air craft guns.
They were backed by Chinese and Russians. And thus were a professional army lacking on Naval and Aerial assets.
But these tribals, they only have AK-47's....
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This situation is more reminiscent of the indian muslims who surrendered instead of fighting the ottomons in WW1. In this case, it is not ethics but maybe the same ethnicity & kin that makes these pathans reluctant to fight.
I think Pakistan is in a bind. It doesn't want to do a bloodbath, not to mention lose taliban completely in case US pulls out [NATO will be dead that moment] / the current afghanoindian support of BLA with US convenience. US is also trying to use balochistan and jundullah to create balochi unrest in Iran along with khuzestan. I think musharraf's reluctance and/or refusal to destabilize Iran is making US and UK pressure Musharraf for a "deal" with BB and nawaz. The US knows that they are one of the worst lotas in Pakistan and will do anything that musharraf hasn't delivered for them.
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Any news on our POWs? Maybe after Shimla agreement we will need Miranshah Agreement as well.
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^Nope... After this embarassment, I have pretty much written them off..
Last I HEARD THOUGH, one of Baitullahs Masuds men made a statement...
Apparently the soldiers are safe, they are having some fun just making them parade around like the little soldier boys , goose stepping the way the do at Waga maybe... Actually kinda funny...
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Army should sign a surrender agreement in Waziristan since we are not willing to confront the terrorists.
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lol... ^Murghi bun kai wapas Pindi ahh ja'ain...:)
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^ That is what is going to happen for sure.
It looks like Pak army is only capable of making political deals through its agencies.
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^ That is what is going to happen for sure. It looks like Pak army is only capable of making political deals through its agencies.
Even that is not going too well. What has happened to this once professional army?
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Once again it seems we're forgetting the Army needs only half an hour to pound them in the way they deserve which will put their heads down for a significant time, the reasons that keep them from going all out against them are many...
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Meanwhile;
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hxAgzW2r4PXHLVIgnQainwC1hDSg
militants free Pakistani troops
DERA ISMAIL KHAN, Pakistan (AP) — Pro-Taliban militants on Monday freed more than 260 Pakistani troops who were kidnapped nearly two weeks ago in a restive tribal region near the border with Afghanistan, security officials and a militant said.
The soldiers were handed over to members of a jirga, or tribal council, in Ladha, a village in the South Waziristan tribal area, where they had been abducted by militants on Aug. 30, a local intelligence official said on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of his job.
Pakistan’s army spokesman said he could not immediately confirm the releases.
The freed soldiers were to be handed later Monday to government authorities in Wana, the main town of South Waziristan, a rugged region where al-Qaida and Taliban-linked militants operate, the intelligence official said.
It was not clear whether there were any conditions to the release. Militants had earlier demanded that authorities withdraw the military from the area and free more than a dozen of their comrades.
Six of the abducted troops were released last week in what an official said was a “goodwill” gesture to the jirga that was trying to negotiate their release.
Pakistan — a close U.S. ally in the war against terrorism — has deployed some 90,000 troops to the Pakistan-Afghan border region to track down militants.
In recent weeks militants have stepped up attacks against the military in the tribal regions along Afghanistan, adding to the government’s woes at a time of gathering political crisis in the country.
The U.S. has been pressing Pakistani President Gen Pervez Musharraf to do more to crackdown on militants in the region amid its concern that al-Qaida may be regrouping in there.
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Fighters ‘free’ Pakistani troops
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sorry new to GS just joined 2 weeks back dont know 99.9% of the ppl here.