Re: Feeling genuinely sorry for Pakistani fans....
If you genuinely changed, which somehow I doubt, it's all good.
I am not here to prove to you anything. You are free to form an opinion about me any way you want.
Online personas are all false anyways.
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Ok keep blaming afridi but don’t pay any attention to people who clapped so emotionally when he made those statements...
anyway Some1 and other Indian guys, just so that you know and don’t keep getting “hurt” and “surprised” again and again, let me help you understand the mindset of a common Pakistani:
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PD....Your posts make for refreshing read amidst the loads of conspiracy theories and chest-thumping jingoism that typically features in India-Pak online discussions. If only more people on both sides could look within before pointing fingers at other people......
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Phoenixdesi, liked what you wrote.....
afridi's way of talking reminds me of how some RSS/hindutva extremist groups talk especially if they are intensely brainwashed. i've come across some very bigoted hindus as well as muslims on either side of the border online. so i guess that's why i'm on GS, it's nice and the mods are really good compared to one indian and another pakistani forum i've seen. i'm stuck in the middle somewhere where i would want to be around good, sweet pakistanis that are open minded in a genuine way and indian ones that are the same way.
online sometimes what's in their minds comes out....people tend to keep the frustrations/prejudices bottled up and all of sudden they let out the anger online and that anger is what i've seen from all religious groups that are indians and pakistanis.
Re: Feeling genuinely sorry for Pakistani fans....
Ok keep blaming afridi but don’t pay any attention to people who clapped so emotionally when he made those statements...
anyway Some1 and other Indian guys, just so that you know and don’t keep getting “hurt” and “surprised” again and again, let me help you understand the mindset of a common Pakistani:
1)one pakistani can easily handle 10 hindus, because we belong to the right faith, have spiritual power and god is on our side….plus we are from martial race and eat meat..so we are physically superior as well
2)Never ever trust a hindu..never…a hindu will always attack you from benind…they will be sweet to your face but poisonous behind your back… “knife up his sleeve and ram ram on his tounge” sums it up… (now emphasis is on hindu….get that straight ……..it is abt hindus not abt Sikhs, Christians…)
3)With an exception of some martial races among hindus (primarily rajputs), every other hindu has a “chota dil, worships money, can't fight, is a "lala", hates muslims and pakistan, and in particular is a natural ally of jews
4)Pakistan was created due to hindus’s small heart, its non-acceptance of Muslims’ heritage and culture, brahaman’s sense of superiority and desire to take revenge from Muslims of their 1000-year rule on india…(there is a lot of history behind it…millions of families who migrated from hindu-majoirty areas in india to pakistan at partition claimed to have many "anectodal evidences” by virtue of living with hindus for centuries and those stories were transmitted to next generation)
5)Sikhs are simple, brave, open and honest people
6) Indian muslims are our brothers who are facing atrocities of hidnus…we need to protect them somehow…don’t know how!
Last but not least, Pakistanis in general (especially Punjabis and pathans) are aggressive, intense, and emotional people
Anyway I have tried to sum up the mindset of a common pakistani…
now if you guys come and tell me that a mindset of a common hindu has no biases/prejudices against pakistan/muslims, I am not going to believe it…we have a torn and convoluted history and all these perceptions are result of it...so plz dont be so naive and face the music...
You said it openly.I have my people in Karachi. Though they uphold pakistan's image in every phone converation they make with me and my other people(Sure there are eve droppers),the real image is different.
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two-nation theory would have worked if Jinnah was alive. he was a great leader and a man of his words. however, if we apply the same theory presented by sir syed ahmed khan then Pakistan cuz of its current state should be then divided into 1000 pieces.
if i can live beside shia, ahmedi, brailvey, neeli topi wala hari topi wala, christan, jew, hindu then i can also peacefully live in a neighborhood where indian exist. to me there is not much of difference between so-called muslim going to mazars and bow infront of dead man’s grave then a hindu who goes to temple and do its arti stuff (same shirk, different names).
otherwise, look at us pakistani muslims, living peacefully in western countries, living beside other non-muslims, enjoying American dream.
the problem is corrupt politcs, which use religion as the the mask for their black ops. they know that since childhood almost everyone got association with some religion. so they use media to play their religion card. so when some of their black operations are about to be disclosed they blame it on Pakistan or India.
India blame it on Pakistan for bombay attack (instead of its own failed security) and Pakistan blame it on India for swat, Karachi attacks (MQM getting funding from India). they dont see their own actions instead blame it on others cuz they are scapegoats of each others.
i really liked how Munna bhai MBBS shows the exact picture of poor nations.
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Either way you wanted to save Pakistan… 
MQM is a political party which has got nothing to do with India.I wonder how many would say this openly in Karachi…
No politics here…
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this is not a random slip of the tongue. he made a nearly identical comment in another interview.
this is what happens when most of your cricket team are uneducated/backwards types. need some class to go along with the big heart allah has given. can anybody imagine dhoni making comments like this? lol.
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well..there are educated people who make such remarks most casually on gs (anyone remember irem, "?", and more recently mirage?) every now and then. this is my take on this - while there is as much, if not more, ill-will towards pakistanis in india, indians don't come out at it with religious reasons - its usually real or imaginary political ones - isi, terrorists, blah blah..
that said, sometimes i am genuinely amazed at how a lot of the younger guppies, rizla for eg, have stayed away from saying anything unseemly and kept their cool even under extreme provocation. which makes me believe this kind of mindset isn't all prevalent.
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no doubt tasteless comment, but this is Shaid Afridi we are talking here.
there are three of his other gems. lol.
calling Amir sohail ghatia…
comment on SRk (though i like it)
on doseri shadi
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even I was supporting SL yesterday and that was not because of any ill feeling towards India but because of what captain1 wrote above. I feel strongly that we owed them support after they supported us when no one was prepared to come and play in Pakistan. I am sure you can understand and appreciate that.
Re: Feeling genuinely sorry for Pakistani fans....
While there is as much, if not more, ill-will towards pakistanis in india, indians don't come out at it with religious reasons - its usually real or imaginary political ones - isi, terrorists, blah blah..
Thank You. Pakistanis should read this. There is a lot of truth in the above quoted statement.
Back to Afridi though - it is unfathomable to me how a country's cricket captain can get away after publicly making such sectarian comments. It is not a fringe extremist saying this - this is an international cricket captain holding forth on what he thinks about Muslims vs Hindus.
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WTF, i mean really. I was totally wrong in my opinion after the video that i posted where he took the defeat with a grace. He just spilled his real self shamelessly again. i remember after he didnt get bought in IPL he said on a channel that you can never trust “Hindus” and they stab in your back blah blah. But then we went on becoming a brand ambassador of indian company in pakistan.
in the end , he is just uneducated racist bigot. i beg pardon for my french.
definately not a 34 years old captain kind of talk.
Re: Feeling genuinely sorry for Pakistani fans....
WTF, i mean really. I was totally wrong in my opinion after the video that i posted where he took the defeat with a grace. He just spilled his real self shamelessly again. i remember after he didnt get bought in IPL he said on a channel that you can never trust "Hindus" and they stab in your back blah blah. But then we went on becoming a brand ambassador of indian company in pakistan. in the end , he is just uneducated racist bigot. i beg pardon for my french. definately not a 34 years old captain kind of talk.
i think shoail tanvir said that,same here i lost respect to this guy now :(
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Before you keep calling Afridi a “brainless idiot” and an “uneducated jahil”, plz just step back for one sec?……Indians team players and captains are not coming from IITs, Oxford, Columbia and Harvard either…the educational and social background of majority of Indians players is similar to pakistani players…..I doubt if ganguly, dhoni, azhar were more educated than afridi, inzi and younis etc….there are always few exceptions…..if kumble was an engineer, so was saeed anwar…but you get the point…
the real reason why Indian players/public refrain from making sectarian-laded comments about Pakistanis is because 30% of your population is consisted of minorities…how can you say those things when 3 out of 11 players are muslims and 2 are Sikhs?…we on the other hand have 96% muslims (if not more…could be 99%)…so that changes the whole equation…masses in Pakistan are not raised to be politically-correct…PERIOD..they don’t need to…
if you ask me, the biggest drawback of partition was the complete immigration of hindus and Sikhs from Pakistan to india (we have some in sindh but very little....almost zero in punjab)….Jinnah never envisioned that….india-pak bilateral relationships could be very different if 30% of our population was consisted of Hindus and Sikhs…it would have made the core of pakistani society (by design) more plural and more liberal …So plz stop taking credit of Indian team/public’s “maturity”….if Hindustan was consisted of 97% Hindus, I bet you would have seen similar sort of comments from Indian public as well…
Also, afridi is a special case…inzi, yousaf youhana or younis khan would have never made such comments publically…afridi is just afridi…
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r u here to prove ur players wrong ??
really its a shame
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What a dumb thing to say by Afridi, I’m thoroughly disappointed. You represent a team, a nation, and you talk to the media like you are having a conversation with your village neighbor? Does he forget that he has thousands of hindus that are his fellow countrymen who fiercely support Pakistan?
Then this is in complete contradiction to another video where he blasts off in his usual style saying, why should we hate india so much when their songs/dramas are played in our households, etc.
Give me a break. 
Anyhow, I’ve come to realize a very basic difference that exists between how a lot of Pakistanis and Indians think. For Pakistanis, there’s a fine line between whether you are a muslim first, or pakistani first, and most would say they are muslim first. For the majority of Indians, they are indian first and hindus later. And as much propaganda exists in pakistan against india, there equally exists in india against pakistan, even amongst the educated masses, as I’ve talked to many to come to that conclusion. It was interesting to see that there were 2nd generation indians and a few pakistanis, who had never watched a single cricket match in their lives, who came out fiercely supporting each other’s nations in the semi-final, because it apparently wasn’t about a game of cricket, but about nationalism. This is our psyche.
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^Good points Sehar.
the real reason why Indian players/public refrain from making sectarian-laded comments about Pakistanis is because 30% of your population is consisted of minorities…how can you say those things when 3 out of 11 players are muslims and 2 are Sikhs?…we on the other hand have 96% muslims (if not more…could be 99%)…so that changes the whole equation…masses in Pakistan are not raised to be politically-correct…PERIOD..they don’t need to…
I hear you but I don't.
We are not talking about an average person on the street....but a widely-travelled national cricket captain - an ambassador of your country's brand. He better be politically correct.....esp when his country is trying hard to mend relationship with a country full of Hindus. Or does Afridi really think that whatever he says to a Pakistani Television channel will remain within Pakistan in this day of YouTube, Facebook, blogs, Twitter etc. If Afridi cannot be politically correct...he has no business in that job.
And even Bangladesh is predominantly Muslim....but I don't see their players (not even their fans) bringing up Hindu-Muslim stuff in their cricket discussions. I visit their cricket forum often and I can tell you they are as emotional (if not more) about their cricket as Indians/Pakistanis. Yet on the rare occasions when somebody brings up religion into the discussion, more often than not it is roundly rebuked.
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^Good points Sehar.
I hear you but I don't.
We are not talking about an average person on the street....but a widely-travelled national cricket captain - an ambassador of your country's brand. He better be politically correct.....esp when his country is trying hard to mend relationship with a country full of Hindus. Or does Afridi really think that whatever he says to a Pakistani Television channel will remain within Pakistan in this day of YouTube, Facebook, blogs, Twitter etc. If Afridi cannot be politically correct...he has no business in that job.
And even Bangladesh is predominantly Muslim....but I don't see their players (not even their fans) bringing up Hindu-Muslim stuff in their cricket discussions. I visit their cricket forum often and I can tell you they are as emotional (if not more) about their cricket as Indians/Pakistanis. Yet on the rare occasions when somebody brings up religion into the discussion, more often than not it is roundly rebuked.
Some1 my comment was not focused on afridi….afridi is a horrible public speaker as far as “political correctness” is concerned…I already said that inzi would have never made such stupid comments though inzi is more religious than afridi….it is just common sense, which afridi lacks for most part…plus same afridi is defending india and asking pakistani reporters not to “hate” india in another press conference…..link is given in sehr’s post...
so forget afridi…..if you read my post/comment in context to “broader societal norms” being practiced in India and Pakistan, it may make more sense to you…that is all...
speaking of Bangladesh, let me borrow a line from sehr’s post, which really hit the nail on head...For Pakistanis, there's a fine line between whether you are a muslim first, or pakistani first, and most (actually 99%) would say they are muslim first…Indians always conveniently ignore that Pakistan was created on the name of religion and two-nation theory (right or wrong...that is a separate debate but this is the foundation of our existence…we think that if we compromise on it little too much, we will lose our ideological foundation)…Bangladesh on the other hand was created purely on the name of nationalism...
Bengalis first supported the movement of Pakistan in 1947 on the name of Islam and two nation theory but 25 years later separated themselves based on nationalism (of course there were political reasons but Bengalis had a very strong sense of nationalism. they were proud of their language, culture, heritage, history, art, music, philosophers, food etc..we in west pakistan on the other hand had less of nationalism and more of “superiority complex being a martial race”, “pan Islamic-phobia” and “guardian of Muslims in the whole subcontinent”)…so the psyche of both nations is totally different…Pakistanis tend to view everything from prism of religion - more than any other muslim country…Bengalis by the way are more devoted to religion than Pakistanis but they tend to be more nationalistic like Indians when it comes to delineating their personal lives from religion.…plus Bangladesh has a lot more Hindus than Pakistan…we have ZERO in our largest province Punjab for instance...
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even I was supporting SL yesterday and that was not because of any ill feeling towards India but because of what captain1 wrote above. I feel strongly that we owed them support after they supported us when no one was prepared to come and play in Pakistan. I am sure you can understand and appreciate that.
Ehsan Bhai,
At the start let me assure you that we Indians usually supported Pakistan EXCEPT against India right up to the mid Nineties even though quite an appreciable number of my Dear Pakistani Friends were honest enough to state that generally as Pakistanis they would support anybody but India.
The whole situation changed in 1998 – 1999 period for reasons you know and now I feel sad that the Indians are matching their Pakistani Brothers in their – shall we call it – Jingoism.
Sri Lanka Cricket Board, I believe, has supported Pakistan as they were in need of “Earnings”. Sri Lanka Players participating in the IPL has changed the scenario and now even they, in light the Lahore Attack, are reluctant to do so.
The Indian Team not visiting Pakistan is no way attributable to the Indian People but the problem remains with the “Safety” – due to the present conditions prevailing in Pakistan – of the Players as I am sure you will agree that nobody will Insure the Cricket Players against harm from an incident similar to the one, which the Sri Lanka Team experienced in Lahore. Should anyone be willing to insure them then I am sure it will be at Astronomical Premiums.
I am sure that the Pakistani Authorities are fully capable of removing the “Obnoxious Elements” should they so desire.
Old saying “Where there is a Will………”
At the end of the day the people of our two countries will win as if not now then say within Two or Three Years the prevailing situation will most definitely be remedied.
As you Muslims say “INSHA ALLAH”.
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if Hindustan was consisted of 97% Hindus, I bet you would have seen similar sort of comments from Indian public as well…
Thank God - that (97%) is not the case.
BTW : I think Nepal is around 80% Hindu and 4 % Muslim. There are no Religious Confrontations.