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Someone give that man a medal. Ab sahi bola mera cheetah! 
Afridi
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Ur and my thinking is so same na 
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All these people jumping on his statement ignore the very valid points he has made. Recently it really has been the case that Pakistani media has decreased its jingoism wrt India, while Indian media continues to come up with the douch-iest coverage possible. Apparently this particular statement was covered by one of the news channels with the headline “Afridi baba aur his 11 chor”.
Lets remember, that not ONE Indian poster so outraged here, commented on these gems from Gautam Gambhir that I posted in a thread yesterday
You atleast have Afridi telling his side to pipe down too. Can we see some Indian cricketer that issued similar statements wrt Pakistan?
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Lets also remember that in context his statement isnt about race, it is about power. In Pakistan Muslims are regarded as a minority without much power. Just as Pakistan is perceived to be a dominantly Muslim country, just as Lebanon or Malaysia is perceived to be a dominantly Muslim country, India is perceived to be a predominantly Hindu country. There is a lot of merit to that. Nobody cries racism when Malaysians or Lebanese are characterised as Muslim, even though they are 60% of those countries, compared to 80% Hindus in India.
So please, it is simply opportunistic to find an arguably technical mistake in his point, and ignore the main thrust of his statement, that at this moment, the Indian media, and Indian team are much more jingoistic and have been much less conciliatory.
Re: Feeling genuinely sorry for Pakistani fans....
Lets also remember that in context his statement isnt about race, it is about power. In Pakistan Muslims are regarded as a minority without much power. Just as Pakistan is perceived to be a dominantly Muslim country, just as Lebanon or Malaysia is perceived to be a dominantly Muslim country, India is perceived to be a predominantly Hindu country. There is a lot of merit to that. Nobody cries racism when Malaysians or Lebanese are characterised as Muslim, even though they are 60% of those countries, compared to 80% Hindus in India.
So please, it is simply opportunistic to find an arguably technical mistake in his point, and ignore the main thrust of his statement, that at this moment, the Indian media, and Indian team are much more jingoistic and have been much less conciliatory.
what technical mistake are you talking about? the criticism is not about interchanging indians and hindus.
in response to a question specifically about the indian people (or hindus by your logic), he claimed that they don't have big hearts like muslims and can never have big hearts like muslims. this statement also included a reference to allah having gifted muslims with superior heart.
not sure why you are bringing up his separate point on indian media negativity in the context of this bigoted comment which had nothing to do with media.
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what technical mistake are you talking about? the criticism is not about interchanging indians and hindus.
Much of it has been about interchangeably using Indians/Hindus.
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in response to a question specifically about the indian people (or hindus by your logic), he claimed that they don't have big hearts like muslims and can never have big hearts like muslims. this statement also included a reference to allah having gifted muslims with superior heart.
not sure why you are bringing up his separate point on indian media negativity in the context of this bigoted comment which had nothing to do with media.
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I believe he is simply talking about the current relative openmindedness shown by the Pakistani team and camp, and the mean spiritness of the Indian media and the culture in general. You cant just get away with saying oh the media is bad. How would the media be bad if it wasnt reflective of what appealed to the people? He talked about the two things together whenever I have seen him talking about it, and thats how the statement should be considered.. in totality.
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exactly ravage.
i’m not here to defend his statement. i would not have said that, cause i dont think so. and because i think he sometimes does or says unwise things. but this time i was and am impressed how he carried himself on field and in interviews and how he led the team. that is why everyone praised him.
i dont think he has issues with indians or hindus. he does not use the word hindu, he says, we muslims, pakistanis (he corrects himself) have bigger heart than them…
u can not ignore his other statements and i have seen some of his interviews, where he only has praise for indians and their team. the press conference at his home says it all. he defends indians strongly. so why would he hate them. here are some other links.
(from 8min)
u have to understand the context and why he has said that. i just came to the conclusion, that these statements come from disappointment. the situation for pakistanis has changed after mumbay. the attitude towards them is not the same anymore. perhaps indians respect pakistanis and the team, but he might had felt a hidden (subliminal) rejection/dislike. the “problem” with afridi is, he seems to be honest and straightforward. has no double-standard, says & shows what is in his heart. he may not have seen this from the indians.
his point is sadly proven by ghambirs comments, the speaches of dhoni and tendulkar after the match, no word of praise or congratulation for pakistan (normally i’m not, but this time i was disappointed by this). but what afridi on the other hand said in his speech, everyone knows. then there is the media, which clearly shows pakistanis are not welcomed.
that is what he says, its about the heart. agar unka dil pakistaniun ke liye saaf hota, to player ya aksar media kuch positive pakistaniun ke liye our unki performance ke bare mein kehte. i know there are good articles in indian media and also some indian celebritys said really nice things (read comments on twitter ;-))
p.s.: to say he is a racist bigot goes really too far.
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good post Salkoka
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Much of it has been about interchangeably using Indians/Hindus.
that is not what is offensive. that's a related but secondary criticism about his ignorance of basic demographic realities.
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I believe he is simply talking about the current relative openmindedness shown by the Pakistani team and camp, and the mean spiritness of the Indian media and the culture in general. You cant just get away with saying oh the media is bad. How would the media be bad if it wasnt reflective of what appealed to the people? He talked about the two things together whenever I have seen him talking about it, and thats how the statement should be considered.. in totality.
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please listen to his comments again. i'm not sure why you are trying to dilute his very specific remarks about the superiority of muslim "heart" in response to a question specifically about the indian people by merging it with some broader assessment of indian media coverage.
instead of trying to create a link using perverse logic about indian media reflecting meanspirited indian culture, it's better to acknowledge that this man may simply be a bonehead with bigoted views.
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I do not condone the so felt (by the Pakistanis) of the lack of respect by the Indians.
However, respect must neither be expected not demanded.
Respect should be commanded.
As such if the Pakistanis in General and the Pakistani Cricket Team in Particular have been faced with Disrespect or Disregard then they have the Mighty Tool of “Refusal”
If Pakistanis take a stand of not visiting India, not joining the IPL, not inviting the Indian Teams especially the Cricket Team until the Pakistanis are shown the proper respect which their station commands, then I am sure either the Indians will clarify that they have not meant any disrespect or they will suffer from the Refusal of the Pakistan Cricketers to Tour India or play in the IPL.
That is the way to get the respect you and your Teams deserve.
This Breast Beating will not get you anything but ridicule.
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That may not be what is offensive to you, but that is certainly one of the main criticisms Im encountering. Its great that you think it isnt important. You say its an ignorance of basic demographic reality. In what way? India is 80% Hindu. Countries with much smaller demographic skews are routinely referred to as ‘Muslim Countries’. See this search for the phrase “Malaysia is a Muslim Country” from American University sites. Google tells me theres 133 hits for that specific phrase. And Malaysia is only 60% Muslim.
Theres several of his clips floating about. Point to the specific clip you have an issue with with the time please. From what I have seen, my ‘diluted’ assessment is completely accurate.
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Arghhh....STOP it people. Seriously!
Enough of this chuk chuk.............
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the basic demographic reality is that india has around 170 million muslims and similarly pakistan has a few dozen hindus as well. so when talking us vs. them in the india-pakistan context, using the words hindu and muslim leads to obvious logical discrepancies involving huge numbers of people. whether it’s acceptable to call malaysia a muslim country or not is totally irrelevant.
in any case, this is a distraction from the actual issue which is afridi’s bigoted views.
the clip some1 posted. first part of the clip.
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From : The Encyclopedia of Malaysia
Islam as the official religion of Malaysia](http://www.encyclopedia.com.my/volume10/officialreligion.html)
Abdul Samat bin Musa
Since Independence in 1957, the official status of Islam in the Malaysian Federal Constitution is based on a single provision which states that ‘Islam is the religion of the Federation’. However, the legal system of the country is not completely governed by syariah or Islamic law. The provision is also not meant to interfere with the powers of the Malay Rulers as the traditional heads and guardians of Islam in their respective states, nor is it intended to restrict freedom of religion and worship, or to affect the lawful interests of non-Muslims. Nevertheless, as it is the official religion, certain privileges are accorded to Islam.
Re: Feeling genuinely sorry for Pakistani fans....
the basic demographic reality is that india has around 170 million muslims and similarly pakistan has a few dozen hindus as well. so when talking us vs. them in the india-pakistan context, using the words hindu and muslim leads to obvious logical discrepancies involving huge numbers of people. whether it's acceptable to call malaysia a muslim country or not is totally irrelevant.
Specifically, what is the logical discrepancy? Its straightforward, India is 80% Hindu, Pakistan is 90%+ Muslim. India's ruling class is mainly Hindu. Pakistan's ruling class is mainly Muslim. The paranoia about communalism is pretty India-specific, and it is tinged by communal riots and the partition and all that sorta stuff. It wouldnt be controversial in another country's context.. why should we care about your neuroses.
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in any case, this is a distraction from the real issue which is bigoted views.
the clip some1 posted. first part of the clip.
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Right.. hes said similar things in the other clips, which give more context to what hes been saying that than this 2 min clip. He clearly wasnt happy when he was in India with the environment he was in, the media coverage. And if Gambhir's statements are reflective of the Indian team, he might have reason to be offended with them too. At any rate, the clip you show he clearly intends Muslim as Pakistan (he even rephrased Muslim as Pakistani). You can argue whether or not its correct that Pakistanies are more open minded towards peace than Indians are. At best he is incorrect (he isnt). Certainly not bigoted.
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The thread has served its purpose.