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In your own statement you said no one has heard from them sincerly? even though 20 girls have also converted in the same area in recent years! Judge judy please step down we have a new Judge who got mental telepathy skills! Police and authorities have not found any foul play so whats next trial by media?
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I still say its not clear what’s the situation. Needs clearance for everyone to know.
‘Brainwashing’ word can be used to drag the issue however. It will open the door to denial by the father and the family.
Freewill is the key element in conversion with the understanding of the responsibility which comes along with conversion.
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What does it mean that the situation is not clear. Are you (and your tpye of tycoons) a Judge, or Police?
It is a clear cut case of abduction and illigal confinement in a cultured society and as per rule of law.
Off course there cannot be any argument if you have nothing to do with that.
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Is this confinement Islamic? Can anyone confirm it with verses from Quran or Hadits? Has there been such kind of traditions?
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NO!
And you prolly already knew that. What a…
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Deedawar, you are making comments and inguise you are supporting action of the fanatics, who have done it. Its been more than a month since these girls are in confinement,
If Pakistan Society / Law isn’t doing anything about to clear the situation. It clearly looks like forced conversion of minorities in Pakistan. Which has been a fact for people outside Pakistan, and a Myth for People living in Pakistan. Though that’s not the topic.
So getting back for sake of justice, shouldn’t situation be cleared which hasn’t been for more than a month. So what do you call it…
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Exactly what I said. Its not clear till its clear. One thing we know that girls are adults. Hope things get cleard ASAP.
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No support here for any fanatic of ANY religion or school of thought.
It does not look like clearly anything as we have no knowledge of full situation.
Please post something if anyone has latest information.
My hopes and prayers for anyone involved to get the situation cleared sooner than later.
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What is the excuse that the girls are adult? It is a criminal offence to abduct someone in any cultured??? society.
The Police must enter this torture cell made under the disguise of a Mosque, arrest the abductors and free these girls!
It is a criminal matter, I do not understand why someone has started this topic in religious forum.
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Exactly the point, Who is doing something to get the situation clear, or state/society is waiting for them to accept the word of captors and than say, see its clear…
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The girls had probably accepted Islam a long time ago…The family must have really put pressure and force upon them not to convert…As a result, the girls ran away…
My own spoken khala (Spoken because she became part of our family), who died a few years back reverted to Islam from Hinduism in the 1920s or 30s…She was punished by having acid rubbed on her forehead (where they put the tilak), beatings, abuse and lockup…
She ran away from her house to live with her aunt who herself had become a Muslim…Family pressures fom parents can sometime get bad, and as a result having no one to turn to, these girls must have taken refuge in the Madrassah…It’s not like they have guns and ammunition in the Madrassah or a Madrassah can hold someone captive like that…It’s a Madrassah, not a jail…
And once when given permission to talk to the parents, why wouldn’t they tell their parents what’s wrong? Since they didn’t, it seems the only plausible reason is that they have run away for refuge in the Madrassah…
Now, we are all desis here and as desis we have a genetic defect in our genes…It is jumping to the worst possible conclusion…And the worse the conclusion, the desier and spicier the mentality…Is it any wonder that the gossip mill and sensationalism is so beloved by our people? There is no practicality, just hearsay…
This mentality has time and again been wonderfully expressed by the likes of PCG who leave no opportunity and chance to drag anyone’s name, reputation and honour through the mud…Rape indeed…
I haven’t read all the replies, just a few initial ones…
Problem is, the wetsern media is now propagandizing against Madrassahs…As a result, faithful pets of the west will run after their quarry to slander and libel it like well trained Pavlov’s dogs…
Even if the Madrassah would actually be giving sanctuary and solace to the girls…
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This is the genetic defect I was talking about…Sensationalism…
Great anjjan sahib…Ever thought about joining a tabloid paper as an editor?
“Father challenges the religion of Islam”
“Today, in an unprecendted move, a poor, forlorn, helpless and destitute father stood against the tidal wave of the world’s second largest religion. He shook the very foundations of the religion founded by Mohammed 1,500 years ago in a deperate bid to release his daughters from the clutches of this religion. Today, the world was astonished as a lone father stood against the massive armies of Islam to have his daughters release…”
Kaisa? 
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GREAT STORY WRITING MAN, Please can we stay with facts. Now girls are safe with religious maulvis’ let them speak out. Though as I say fanatic minds doesn’t understand it..
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This is new wave of…what ‘must’ be the theory behind the curtains and we must agree to the fantasy of Mosque bosses because Islam is 1500 years old, as par la Mr Lajwab.
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And here are some folktales in favor of Islam by Mr Lajwab.////
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I think the best solution would be to take the girls out of the madressah and placed temporarily at a neutral institution, such as edhi or other similiar organisations. The girls will be able to speak their mind and be protected from any physical danger.
They may decide to go back to the madressah or back home to the parents. Either way, this will not be solved unless the girls get a chance to speak freely tto the parents. Until then, we cant sit around and presume what the real situation is, because right now, anything is possible.
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Spoken like a moderator MaMooli.. That should be the approach..
The challenge is this is to be ensured by state, and that doesn't seem to be working in this case...
So it comes to people to influence the state as much as they can...
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http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=134936&page=2&highlight=khala
Read post number 32…Look in the highlighted word ‘khala’…She was the lady I was referring to in this thread…
She used to love being amongst the Muslims as a child…Everytime she returned from a Muslim household, her parents gave her ashnan because to them she had been ‘tainted’…
Her parents, in order to make sure she never forgets she is a Hindu, took some acid and rubbed it on her forehead as a sign of a permanent tilak…
She would take the idol of bhagwan and wear the idol’s jewellery and stuff and walk in the streets after which she would get a beating everytime from her parents…
She was 11 when she ran away, hid inside a railway and arrived at the town where her aunt lived who was a revert herself…
Her gaonwalay, when they came to retrive her from the Khala’s house forcibly, the whole town (Which was a Muslim town) stood up defend her…Her parents left her with that aunt who raised her…She never saw her parents again…
No folktales here my friend…A true tale of a courageous lady, may Allah :swt: give her Jannat…
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11 year old kid…ya, she was already a woman as per your logic. No objection.
Hindus are very matured that they do not fantasize such stories to malign Muslims.
Ps, is there no other way left except fairytales to support your religion
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Darn terrific and excellent objective view of an entirely diametric side of the pendulum. Of course, anything is probable, and the portrait you painted in your above post is quite likely as well.
A simply artistic and aesthetic manner of conveying one’s sincere thoughts and feelings without resorting to name-calling and childish deeds is hardly I would call “coming to the rescue”. If anything, the difference between two altogether completely different characters is precisely visible, from the looks and composition of the posts, as well as the mental and physical ability to think outside of the box in a respectable and sensible manner.
Good discussion, folks! :)