Fate of Hindu girls remains unclear

Father knocks on many doors for justice

       *By Aroosa Masroor Khan*

KARACHI: The fate of three sisters from a Hindu family who were kidnapped from their house in October remains unclear with their family insisting that they are being detained against their will at a city madrassah. The madrassah insists that the girls have converted to Islam by their own free will and are not interested in meeting their family.

The parents were allowed to meet their daughters a few weeks back after orders from the court but the meeting was carefully orchestrated. All three girls were behind a veil and were assisted by a woman from the madrassah.

The father of the three girls, Sanao Amra, said that he felt that his daughters were being pressurized because he could see tears in their eyes - the only body part that was exposed.

He objected to the interference of the lady of the madrassah who did not let him and his wife talk to them in private. He also said that the veil was perhaps being used to hide their facial expressions, because hiding the face behind a hijab in front of the family was not a part of the Islamic practice.

The family was earlier informed by one of the neighbours that the girls were found and brought to Frere police station after which they were shifted to the Darul Uloom. Amra was told that he could not meet his daughters until he had orders from the court.

Even though the magistrate reassured that the girls had accepted Islam, the father insisted on acknowledging this fact only after he met them. Recognising the family’s right to meet the girls, the court ordered a meeting under the supervision of five policemen including an senior official from teh Baloch Colony police station.

On reaching the madrassah, where they have been kept for over two months now, the family was told that none of the girls were willing to meet their parents. “I couldn’t believe my daughters saying such a thing and immediately understood there was something fishy,” said the father while talking to The News.

After much debate, the girls were then brought to a small cubicle room surrounded by people other than the family members. The daughters were unable to disclose anything in the uncomfortable surrounding so the woman accompanying the girls did the talking, which did not quite please the family.

“We got up after 20 minutes instead of the decided one-hour meeting because we did not like the intrusion of others who were made our conversation an ordeal,” disclosed Sanao.

Not satisfied with this meeting, Sanao Amra filed an application with Magistrate Zulfiqar Ali for arranging another meeting either in the court, the Edhi Center or the Darul Uloom. However, this application was rejected after referance was made to a ‘letter of satisfaction’ from the daughters as proof to convince the parents that they were not willing to meet again.

On 18th October when Sanao Amraís wife, Champa, returned home from work, her daughters were nowhere to be found. Unable to understand what had exactly happened behind her back, she inquired about their whereabouts from her neighbours. The neighbours initially said they had not seen the girls, but later told Champa that the elder daughters Reena, 21 and Usha, 19, were seen rushing out of home towards their younger sister Reemaís school from where perhaps all the sisters were kidnapped.

Sanao Amra searched for his daughters for 2-3 days after which he went to the police. They turned down his pleas for help by saying that the government had not provided them with proper means of investigation and therefore there was not much they could do. The refusal by the police did not leave much for the family to hope.

Then a few days later, one of the neighbours handed some documents to Sanao, which they said that they had received through courier. The documents stated that their daughters had embraced Islam and was signed by them too. A neighbour informed the girlsí family that the girls had embraced Islam a year ago, but the father did not believe him. “No sane person would ever fall for that. My daughters were kidnapped on the 18th and the documents state that they accepted Islam on that day itself, if at all.” He said that he had been with his daughters for years and was very well aware of their thoughts and actions.

Sanao added that kidnapping Hindus and making them embrace Islam is not a new practice for their minority. “This has been happening for years, itís just that we belong to a suppressed class and are scared of involving the police and the media which is why such cases werenít highlighted before. This is the first time anybody from my community has taken this step and I am not going to withdraw the case, but I can nothing by myself until I have the police or some government official to help me investigate.”

 **Source**
  
 [Jang](http://jang.com.pk/thenews/dec2005-daily/11-12-2005/metro/k1.htm)
  
 Questions/Comments/Concerns/Opinions?

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Re: Fate of Hindu girls remains unclear

How friggin weird. Don't madrassas have more important missions to accomplish that they're now forcibly converting girls...

You know, they could have picked a guy to kidnap.

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^ Toba Toba Allah na karay.

Muslims should learn from Hazrat Ali (a.s.) the proper way to treat minorities according to Islam.

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** ‘Minorities enjoy religious freedom’

**KARACHI: Sindh Home Minister Rauf Siddiqi has said that every one should have complete freedom in the observance of his religious obligations and this is being practically practiced in Pakistan. He was addressing a graduation ceremony and reception in connection with the X-mas at Central Brooks Memorial Church. The Home Minister said no one has the authority to take away religious freedom from the followers of any religion. In Pakistan, he added, the people enjoy complete religious freedom and it was due to the prayers of all that the law and order situation was improving day by day. Later, the Home Minister cut the Christmas cake and participated in the prayers for national integrity and security.

**Source**
 
[Jang](http://jang.com.pk/thenews/dec2005-daily/11-12-2005/metro/k20.htm)

Ah yes, the double standards countinue…Pin-point me a timeframe in a distant future, as to when exactly will this insanity stop? When, I ask!

Re: Fate of Hindu girls remains unclear

3 Pakistani Girls have been abducted
3 Pakistani Girls have been confined
Court has allowed them to be confined at filmsy ground
Pakistani parents haven't been allowed to meet them alone
Three kids of parents been taken away in Pakistan

and we are saying give abductors a chance that they wouldn't have done wrong to them.

I see almost none of the Pakistani Guppies even making statements here, while there are pages of statements on things like music, name of Allah, Cow ...
My heart bleeds for Humanism,
For Religion - Islam - That's been turn by the abductors in to a religion of crime and there is almost no opposition to that even on this forum of educated.
Hinduism - Whose practicing in Pakistan can bring so much pain to a simple family.

End doesn't justify the means. It comes to haunt the person like in Afghanistan, Iraq and many other countries. Than everybody is part of it.
As a Pakistani do something about it. Atleast start a campaign within liberals in Karachi to talk about it. Send a petetion to the Chief Minister of that province. Get a signature campaign and send letter signed by 100+ karachi people to President.
There is so much you can do, Please don't hide behind distance when such a crime has been prepetuated in a Mosque in the name of religion.

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Great post!

It baffles me. Completely escapes the boundaries of my mind as to why there are dozens of views registered on this thread, and absolutely no one has stand up against this ruthful and pitiful action (except for a couple of folks, of course). Granted that this is a Pakistani Discussion Board, all members of all castes should feel welcome on our turf, as I do believe, we strongly support open discussion on all platforms, regardless of age, race, sex and gender. The very first time I read this God forsaken article, my blood boiled at 180 degrees, nerves shot, heavily concerned as to why would someone in their own right frame of mind would commit such a horrendous and pathetic act. It is absolutely disgusting, and as a nation, we should, at all costs, bring forward such issues and deal with it, rather than hiding behind our fake nationalities and supporting dreadful comportment. I, myself, Alhamdolillah, am a Muslim, and believe me, it pains me to hear about low-life miseries, wretchedness and woes of my own country, especially selected ones such as these which appear to be headlined in major (international) outlets, while torching an unpropitious shadow of light on our great country. But I am not hesistant to step on the paddle and make known that this is EXACTLY the normality of issues that occur in almost every single days of our lives, albeit few selected are rather picked to be listed on the front page of major newspapers.

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The challenge is that a society would never be homogenous. So once these people are through with one section of society. They would find another i.e. within Islam, and cycle just keeps going. It never ends in peaceful existence.

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No here is what it is. Muslims are too insecure about their own faith to admit that there are people who claim to follow it and to be community leaders, and yet who are involved in the most heinous of crimes. I'm telling you, there is a reason the word "mullah" is identified as a negative word even in our own culture. Regardless of what some armchair computer internet moderator tells you.

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Feelings are mutual here Armughal.
Though hopefully for the sake humanism, you would do something about this case within your country.

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I do not understand why they need to (Mosque) arrest these three girls if they have voluntarily accepted Islam.

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Very weird. Had the girls accepted Islam by their own will I don;t think they would need a third person to do the talking for them. Its quite obvious that something is being hidden with all the supervision. If the madrassah ppl had nothing to hide they would let the girls speak instead of presenting letters of consent. I wouldn;t go so far as assuming they have been raped though. What gave u the idea that they were being forced to return to their parents, Armughal? they aren;t even getting a fair chance to talk to their parents within the confines of the madrassah. Such muslims are doing more to push people away from Islam then towards it.

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Yeh log Islam kay saathi nahin, balkey Islam kay naam per dhabba hain.

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I think your bit twisted to think like this, provide the evidence before making silly sweeping statements like this in future please.

When non muslims convert it is not easy situation for the converts or their family. If the girls are converting in their own free will let them have their say, you do not know for sure if they want to speak to their family at this time.

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As Rahul and I pointed out earlier in the thread, such actions are carried out almost everyday in the daily course of our lives, while only selected ones get to appear as headlines in major newspapers. If these girls are abducted solely for the purpose of convertion, they should now be released without further mental torture and trouble to the parents. There is simply no point in withholding them. On the other hand, if the reason behind the kidnappings is to solitarily prove that Mullahs are greater than slice bread/be all and end all of the world, hence confirming to hideous fact that there is absolutely no concept of freedom to religious minorities, well, then these group of people should be (severely) castigated......PERIOD!

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Let's carefully analyze the article one more time, shall we? (concern posted at the end)

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1) The fate of three sisters from a Hindu family who were kidnapped from their house in October remains unclear.

2) The madrassah insists that the girls have converted to Islam by their own free will and are not interested in meeting their family.

3) The parents were allowed to meet their daughters a few weeks back after orders from the court but the meeting was carefully orchestrated. All three girls were behind a veil and were assisted by a woman from the madrassah.

4) The father said that he felt that his daughters were being pressurized because he could see tears in their eyes - the only body part that was exposed.

5) On reaching the madrassah, where they have been kept for over two months now, the family was told that none of the girls were willing to meet their parents.

6) After much debate, the girls were then brought to a small cubicle room surrounded by people other than the family members. The daughters were unable to disclose anything in the uncomfortable surrounding so the woman accompanying the girls did the talking, which did not quite please the family.

7) Referance was made to a ‘letter of satisfaction’ from the daughters as proof to convince the parents that they were not willing to meet again.

8) Sanao Amra went to the police. They turned down his pleas for help by saying that the government had not provided them with proper means of investigation and therefore there was not much they could do.

9) The documents stated that their daughters had embraced Islam and was signed by them too. A neighbour informed the girlsí family that the girls had embraced Islam a year ago, but the father did not believe him. "No sane person would ever fall for that. My daughters were kidnapped on the 18th and the documents state that they accepted Islam on that day itself, if at all."

10) Sanao added that I can nothing by myself until I have the police or some government official to help me investigate.

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You are telling me, after these ridiculous and pathetic attempts, somehow, for God knows what reason, don't believe that there is a slight possibility for a rape case on our hands? Granted the newspaper doesn't report it per se, but under these circumstances (from my point of view), anything and everything is possible, and should be taken under consideration. If someone makes such a comment, it should not be deemed as "silly", especially since the situation is in the hands of "Allah Waley" Mullahs, who can, and will, basically do anything to create all new records for stooping all-time lows, meanwhile, proclaiming their honesty and religious incorruptibility to the rest of the Muslim nation.

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if the girls have acepted Islam against the will of their parents, then letting them back to their parents is not good for them....
they might torture them and force them to denounce Islam....
and the parents might very well be lying to get the daughters back and convert them back to hinduism....

but u wont ever think of that cuz u just want to hate Islam and anything related to it....

u make Islam and Muslims ashamed by calling youselves muslims....

u speak out of your west-damaged brains which can think of no other thing except for what stupid media feeds u with....

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When you are discussing a topic, and label anyone who doesn't agree with your view point as a "moron", you basically downgrade your own point. No one has a responsibilty to continue the discussion, as the lines are drawn. Moron vs moron. Name-calling should have no place in a responsible discussion. EOS.

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:hehe: quite moronic.

Armughal the way they girls faces are being hidden and if they are infact crying, and not allowed to talk to their parents directly without supervision do u honestly think they HAVE willingly converted to Islam?

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Oh sure, and I am almost positive that “forcing” them to spend the rest of their lives with Mullahs will result in quite satisfactory results, hence shining the torchlight on Muslim and Hindu community combined, and conclude to the fact that all Hindus, given this current case and brilliant track records associated with it, should “willingly” convert to Islam immediately. But wait, they don’t just have to do it by themselves. Oh no no no…their will-power will deteriorate rapidly if that ever tend to happen. Infact, their kids will be kidnapped from their houses in bright and extreme daylight, hence, causing ultimate satisfaction and comfort for the parents and the entire Muslim community in general, proving the hypothesis that their minors are, finally, in safe hands.

(Rest of the “constructed” sentence omitted due to sensitivity of the discussion…)

I do believe “hate” is a very strong word, and should be used very carefully, and selectively, I might add. But, to each their own.

I personally have a point of view that there is a vast amount of difference between stepping up to the plate when there is a pathetic act such as this, takes place. Granted, it does take alot of guts to standup for such miserable acts in the society alone, but at least, a person who is sitting behind a keyboard, hiding the unnecessary identity(ies), should have no problem whatsoever to admit that this, indeed, is the crime of all mother crimes, and the criminals should be penalized up-front. It is not the question of whether or not a person if a Hindu, Christian, Jewish or Muslim. An act such as this should be condemned, at all costs. Instead of looking past the obvious, we should analyze the situation and voice our opinions, instead of labeling others childish terms just to prove a nonsense point that “I am right, and you are flat-out wrong”.

Or is it really a selective group of people, who have an IQ level of adjacent to room temperature, and while threads such as OMG!!@!@ROFLCOPTER*&^&Hindus Kill Cows…DEATH to IndIA^~!~## generates more responses than an article such as this, which should really garner discussion from all fronts, and moreover, admitting to the fact that what really happened is indeed preposterous and outrageous?

Ah yes, sometimes I wish I could easily diminish the power of Pakistani newspapers in my own mind.

Oh, and…List of Pakistani Newspapers.

:slight_smile:

Re: Fate of Hindu girls remains unclear

ak47, that would be all well and good. but no one has heard the girls say from their own mouths sincerely and openly that they have converted, and they'd like to be left alone.

Chances are they were forced. Otherwise, they would have said it by now.

And PLEASE. They're sitting in friggin burqas, and they cant take off the burqas to talk to their own parents? Their own father is suddenly na-mehram to them? Probably are being forced to hide facial expressions.

I really do smell some sexual abuse and rape in all this. Like I said, they could have kidnapped some boys.