Family Planning?

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Since this is thread about family planning after all, I’ve got an interesting link here: http://www.dawn.com/2007/04/09/local10.htm.
Read about the paragraph where it says that these women give birth to children year after year, so when the children grow up they can also help these women in earning money through their unlawful, disastrous methods. We need to educate these people and stop falling for their artful acts which not only aids them in continuing their heedless idiocy but is also in a way harmful to themselves. A very informative article I would say.

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With ever-increasing human population on earth, humans are taking away the rights of other animals and plants on earth to live here. They are becoming extinct day by day. And the organic matter is fastly converting into humans and human related animals and plants - which are, off-course, few as compared to the diversty of the all other living things on this planet!

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The exploitation of the organic and inorganic matter of the earth by humans is further making the lives of the remaining speices miserable here! The prime example is that of petroleum!

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^^ Mostar95, how more could I possibly agree? I myself am a nature lover (of sort) and feel that the environmental situation in a country as biologically diverse as Pakistan should be strictly taken care of. Practically, Pakistan has no aspect of conservation, animal rights, or environmental care - perhaps only in recent years have been these issues brought to light, or if you go like four decades back. And it’s all (including the family planning issue) because of lack of education and shoddy - if anything else - enforcement of laws.

P.S. As far as animal rights in Pakistan are concerned, you might check out www.pawspakistan.org or WSPA’s website and voice yourself there.. WSPA had put an effective end to the barbaric sport of bear-baiting in Pakistan. There are some Pakistani vets and animal rights activists on PAWS Pakistan who can also help in some way.

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Even if Zakaat is collected, that is just 2.5%. With so many of Pakistan's people living in poverty, I cannot believe that the rich have so much wealth that a mere 2.5% of that is enough to lift all those poor out of poverty. Providing food, power, shelter, education, healthcare, and jobs will need so much more money than that!

Most of the millions of non-Muslims in Pakistan are poor themselves, so you won't be able to collect much from taxing them either.

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It has been reported frequently that Zakat was collected in Baitul-Maal during the time of Khilafat--Rashida.

Don't be so balatant in distorting truth.

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Mufti sahib …have you read my complete post or still in habit of blabbering without reading? :D

Before blabbering, don’t you think that you should have read and understood all paragraphs in my 'that' post?

I do not know if it was intentional, but you quoted a selected bit of my post, and just like halwa-eating mullah that misguide others by part quotation, you did the same and then used that to abuse me :).

Actually, for anyone who would have read my post, they could not have accused me of what you accused me, as I already cleared in my 'that' post what you accused me of. Here is that paragraph you ignored (intentionally, mischievously, or I do not know):

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It is up to individual that they pay Zakat to those that are illegible of Zakat. But then, if they want to and state has facility of collection and distribution of Zakat, they can give Zakat to state too.
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During Prophet (SAW) time as well as during Khulfa-e-Rashadeen, state had the facility to collect and distribute Zakat. I did not denied that anywhere in my 'that' post.

Even in paragraph you quoted, I accepted the fact that during Abu Bakar (RA) time, State use to collect Zakat and people could have denied paying Zakat to state on pretext that they would like to give Zakat to someone else illegible.

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** If**** those people had stopped zakat on pretext that they would pay Zakat to whoever they like, there was no need to fight for Zakat**, and going to war against such people would have been un-Islamic.
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During those earlier days of Islam, it was an obligation that people were not used to, hence state used to collect Zakat forcefully, unless people themselves wanted to give it to someone illegible of Zakat and let state know. Here is hadith from Bukhari on the issue:
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Bukhari: Volume 2, Book 24, Number 545: *

Zainab, the wife of 'Abdullah said, "I was in the Mosque and saw the Prophet (p.b.u.h) saying, 'O women ! Give alms even from your ornaments.' " Zainab used to provide for 'Abdullah and those orphans who were under her protection. So she said to 'Abdullah, "Will you ask Allah's Apostle whether it will be sufficient for me to spend part of the Zakat on you and the orphans who are under my protection?" He replied "Will you yourself ask Allah's Apostle ?"
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(Zainab added):** So I went to the Prophet and I saw there an Ansari woman who was standing at the door (of the Prophet ) with a similar problem as mine. Bilal passed by us and we asked him, 'Ask the Prophet whether it is permissible for me to spend (the Zakat) on my husband and the orphans under my protection.' And we requested Bilal not to inform the Prophet about us.
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So Bilal went inside and asked the Prophet regarding our problem*. The Prophet (p.b.u.h) asked, "Who are those two?" Bilal replied that she was Zainab. The Prophet said, "Which Zainab?" Bilal said, "The wife of 'Adullah (bin Masud)." **The Prophet said, "Yes, (it is sufficient for her) and she will receive a double rewards (for that): One for helping relatives, and the other for giving Zakat." *

One can see from above hadith that during Prophet (SAW) time, Prophet (SAW) allowed people to decide what to do with Zakat.

It is also clear from above hadith that paying Zakat to near ones is better then giving to the state, as that would make a person get double rewards, one of helping close ones and other of paying Zakat.

According to all fiqah of Islam, Zakat contribution can be made to state voluntarily so that state can distribute that zakat to illegible on their behalf. That can happen if state has that facility.

What I know, Islamic believe is that Zakat is individual’s obligatory duty towards Allah, just like Salaat, Saum, and Haj. This obligatory duty of individuals is not towards State that State can force individual to give zakat to State. What I know, that is true in all Islamic fiqah and all Muslims believes that.

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Thanks for your information.

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^^ You sound rather sarcastic.. I mean seriously people, family planning isn't the only thing that'll affect the earth. If we don't have a proper infrastructure and a caring relationship with the environment, the quality of life and nature are going to suffer anyway regardless whether we have 2 or 4 children.

And please people abstain from posting lengthy convoluted posts.. try to be as straightforward and down-to-topic as you can :).

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Actually, what I believe, family planning is necessary as means to achieve development, but family planning in itself is not the solution for development of a country.

Solution is good, affluent, and healthy life, mental development, and education. Family planning can release resources that can be used by family to become affluent, allowing them to have good standard of life, provide good healthcare and give good education to children. All this provisions together helps in developing human mentally too.

Affluent, healthy, highly educated, mentally developed humans are the cheapest resource for development of a country. With some financial investment and good management, one average healthy, mentally developed, and highly educated person can give economical output more then 100s of acres of agricultural land.

But then, if a person is sick, lazy, mentally under-developed (retarded) and uneducated, living in a country with bad managers, that person becomes burden for the country as long as that person lives.

Unfortunately, majority of managers in third world countries are bad managers, and majority of population is sick, lazy, mentally under developed, and uneducated. Thus, family planning is required to release resources within family, so that standard of living gets better, people become affluent, healthcare becomes better, education increases, and people become mentally developed.

Once, majority in the country achieved that goal, it does not matter if people do family planning or not (though, experience shows that once people become affluent, family planning becomes natural).

For instance, England is around 50,000 sq miles with population of around 50 millions. Japan is around 145,000 sq miles with population of around 130 millions.

Both (England and Japan) have good Quality of managers and human resources excellent. Thus, family planning is not necessary in these two (and similar) countries.

In contrast, Sudan is around 970,000 sq miles of mostly fertile and semi-fertile land, with population of 36 millions. Ethiopia is 426,000 sq miles of mostly fertile and semi-fertile land, with population of 75 millions.

Unfortunately, both above countries (Sudan and Ethiopia) experiences famine most years, and thus need family planning, to release resources in order to increase the quality of human resources. Due to bad management and quality of human resources, they could not even feed themselves. They (and similar countries) need family planning badly.

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Peace

Just a thought .... Shouldn't it be called 'unFamily planning'?

This post deserves to be deleted ...

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Fertility rate in Pakistan declining fast

The fertility rate in Pakistan came down from 6.3 percent in 1970-1975 to 4 percent in 2005-2006, Shahzado Shaikh, the Ministry of Population Welfare secretary, told the 40th session of the UN Commission on Population Development in New York this week. He said the population of Pakistan could be divided into three age groups – youth dependents under age 15, working-age population between 15 and 64 and old age dependents of 65 and over. “Despite financial constraints, Pakistan pledges not only to maintain the momentum of its progress but also to accelerate it. Pakistan ranks 6th in the order of world population. Both the government and civil society have a clearer grasp of the tasks ahead and a stronger will to address these. As a developing country, it is both an opportunity and a challenge for us to look at the age structures of population and their implications from a development perspective,” the secretary said. Shaikh said the age structure in Pakistan that had evolved as a result of sustained high fertility and declining mortality would result in continuing increase in population even if the replacement fertility level was achieved by 2020. At present, about 43 percent of the country’s population is under 15. Studies suggest that the proportion of women in the age group 15-34 has increased slightly over the years. This indicates people entering prime reproductive age will be increasing in the coming years. The trend necessitates health and family planning services across the country, especially in rural areas where the fertility rate is high, accessibility to health and family planning services is limited and traditional values favour high fertility rates.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\04\13\story_13-4-2007_pg7_13

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^^ Isn't that still much? Only people who have access to good education are observing this trend, actually not even ALL of them. And we still have a massive percentage of people who don't have access to education and are still living on the old perceptions.

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^
Maybe, but we are going in the right direction in controlling population growth.

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I do not know what molvis are saying but what i know is if i have money then i can afford two, three, wives and some childrens so no way to stop population only way is to feed them, educate them this is the only way as i see it.

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By afford do you mean you want to buy wives?

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I'd like to know how many anti-family planning people here have 8-10 kids of their own, and that too from one mother?

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PCG good question, abhi dodh ka doodh aur paani ka paani ho jaye ga. :)

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Indeed they should have more than that! More than 15!

In the old days, when there was no vaccination, infant mortality was extremely high! In most cases only half of the offspring used to survive till adulthood! My maternal great-grant mother had about 20 kids, only 9 of them survived.

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^^ So are you saying there is some sort of a population balance even in developing countries?