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i receive a chunk from that 35 crore 
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In urdu we say it like this: “shy cat scratches the pole” 
Asking CJ to resign on moral grounds for the corruption he did not do but his son allegedly did. Great!!! 
On the other hand, asking PM to resign on contempt of court he did is immoral . Notice no one has ever asked PM to resign on Hajj or drugs scandals, his sons were involved in. May be, it’s time to do that if you are setting the standards 
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Nevertheless, it is a disturbing precedent that the CJ did not excuse himself from the case.
Next time, a less upright judge may choose to hear his own family's case using this precedent.
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since you like his impartial rulings against PPP, it is a great act by his corrupt son that court is hearing his corruption father being still sitting on judge's seat, instead of resigning. It is called moral bank corrupt, worst than money corruption. Shame on him and his son.
I agree that CJ should not be in the bench. but it is somewhat unprecedented when a father takes a suo moto action against his son. Unheard of in Pakistan.
Lets not talk about moral bankruptcy, shall we? :)
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Does anyone really think that Arsalan was not collecting money on behalf of his corrupt father Iftikhar?
Think of what Arsalan received for what he was offering and situation would become obvious. That is:
Arsalan was working for his father and was getting money on behalf of his father, as Arsalan was offering cases to get written off or get overlooked by Supreme Court under his father ... and obviously Arsalan could not have done that without nod from his father Iftikhar.
Those who gave Arsalan money are also not idiots but are expert in ‘game of bribe’ they played throughout their life to become mega rich, so it is obvious that they would not have given Arsalan Rs 300 to 400 million and luxury trips without making sure that Arsalan would be able to do what Arsalan was offering. Actually, these people knew that what they are paying, they are paying to Iftikhar and not Arsalan else they would not have invested that much, and thus I believe they must be crystal clear that Iftikhar is in the game and would do their job after receiving the money.
Now, since this bribe came out in public, so to save his own neck in front of public (who are fools anyhow and always get fooled by crooks like Iftikhar), Iftikhar has started this action. It is possible that Iftikhar might even punish severely those who paid bribe and maybe a token punishment to his son too, but all this is happening as damage control after the whistle got blown on media.
Family Gate Scandal:CJ Disowns Son!!
Ruling against CJ if did not separate himself from the bench attorney general .hamid Mir appear in court today but cannot produced any evidence against CJ's son.
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The power of this tycoon, all of our present and past politicians and media is in his pockets, when will he be punished?
ISLAMABAD, Dec 5 **The much-trumpeted accountability process started by former President Pervez Musharraf with a stated aim to rid the country of corrupt politicians and businesses became victim of the military ruler`s own doings when, in order to prolong his stay in power, he repeatedly intervened in the last years of his rule to prevent action against some leading politicians and political families, including not only his supporters and allies like the Chaudhrys of Gujrat but also major opposition families like the Sharifs and Bhuttos. ****
As if this were not enough, both General Musharraf and his handpicked prime minister Shaukat Aziz often stood in the way of anti-corruption proceedings against some highly controversial businessmen and big businesses on the excuse that such actions could discourage “economic progress”. **
These revelations have been made by a highly respected retired army general and former head of National Accountability Bureau (NAB) who was unceremoniously removed from his position more than two years ago, but has now decided to speak his heart out on the expiry of the period that prevented him from discussing service matters.
Lt.-Gen (retd) Shahid Aziz who, after having served as Chief of General Staff (CGS) and Corps Commdander under Gen Musharraf, was appointed Chairman of NAB, believes had he and the accountability bureau been given an opportunity to proceed against corrupt politicians and their cronies, the future of the country would have been secured.
Gen (retd) Aziz, who now lives outside Islamabad on his farm in the foothills of Murree, agreed to speak to Dawn as he believes the truth needs to be told about the manner in which the entire anti-corruption process was sacrificed to expediency.
He said that initially he resisted pressure to hand over the lists of politicians being probed by the Nab for political use in the 2007 elections, but later a standing committee of the parliament ordered Nab to part with the lists. When he again showed reluctance, Shahid Aziz added, Lt-Gen Hamid Javed tried to convince him not to disobey the parliamentary committee.
The former Nab chief`s response was that he could not hand over the lists to any forum or a government institution unless the investigations reached final stage, except to the Supreme Court of Pakistan.
Instead, he issued an order that investigations against all politicians had been stopped for four months of electioneering and would restart after the elections. He said he was appointed as Nab chairman with a pre-condition that he would not open old cases against politicians and other prominent people and was pressured into formally closing down cases against politicians supporting General Musharraf.
The seven-point agenda soon turned into a one-point agenda of strengthening the economyeven if it meant ignoring or shelving corruption cases by holders of public offices or their cronies.
**In an interview with Dawn, the retired general mentioned a number of big names – Benazir Bhutto, Chaudhrys of Gujrat, Mian Nawaz Sharif, Faisal Saleh Hayat, Malik Riaz Hussain of Bahria Town, oil companies, sugar millers and many others – whose cases could not be taken to the logical end because of pressure coming directly from General Musharraf and hisoffice. **
And, finally it was pressure from the Presidency to close down cases against Benazir Bhutto under the influence of foreign powers that he had to resign unceremoniously, leaving his four-year tenure of Nab chairman in 18 months.
**“I was told repeatedly not to create problems and not to destabilise the government, otherwise the system would collapse. They (the president and his team) gave a strange logic that corruption and economic development go hand in hand,” said Mr Shahid Aziz. **
“If you stop corruption, there will be no development. If ministers and politicians are not given personal benefits in contracts, why would they pursue development schemes. They have to be given personal incentives…contracts to their sons and kins,” he quoted Khalid Maqbool, a former Nab chairman, as trying to convince him.
The retired general recalled he faced the “worst-ever pressure” from the president and his team to close down cases against Benazir Bhutto because foreign powers, led by the United Kingdon and the US, were working on a patch-up between Pervez Musharraf and BB.
After a lot of discussions on the subject, Shahid Aziz reminisced, one day presidential aide Tariq Aziz “called me to say that the President had decided to close cases against BB and has asked you to make this happen. I refused and said I would better resign than closing these cases”.
“Tariq Aziz called me up again to say that we have discussed and decided that if you dont close the cases, you can resign. I asked who are these we` who have decided so. Tariq Aziz said, Tariq Aziz, Gen Hamid Javed and Gen Kiyani (the then ISI chief). He, however requested that instead of destabilising the government through resignation, you (Gen Aziz) should go on a two-month leave on medical grounds and then resign.
“I obliged and tendered resignation on May 4, 2007, to be effective from July 4, 2007.”
He said he was also pressured to terminate the contracts of lawyers in the BB cases, but was helped by the then attorney general Makhdoom Ali Khan to draft a letter to change the lawyer`s contract instead of their termination.
He said he was repeatedly asked by President Musharraf personally to formally close down cases against Chaudhrys and not to open cases against Faisal Saleh Hayat.
He said he declined to close cases against Chaudhrys but did not pursue them either.
**He said when he put the name of Malik Riaz Hussain (of Bahria Town) in the exit control list while investigating a forest land case, he had to face bitter arguments with President Musharraf to take out Malik`s name from the ECL. **
**“As President of Pakistan, I give my personal guarantee that he (Malik Riaz) would not run away. Isn`t a personal guarantee of the President of Pakistan sufficient to satisfy you”, he quoted Mr Musharraf as saying. **
Malik`s name was pulled out of the ECL subsequently, he said.
He said he tried to collect and record evidence in pending cases against Nawaz Sharif. He was stopped by the President and his team from investigations, saying these cases had been settled and he had to concede.
He said although he was given a firm commitment that he would be free to investigate new corruption cases instead of opening old cases, he was stopped from pursuing even new corruption cases and specifically mentioned sugar, oil, telecom and banking sector where he was not allowed to investigate .
He said he had to stop investigations into the sugar prices scandal after preliminary investigations because Musharraf had been made to believe that sugar would disappear from the market if investigations continued and that would create problems for the government.
He said he had to issue a statement as chairman of Nab that investigations into the sugar scam had been stopped on the government request on the grounds of sugar disappearance but also mentioned that NAB did not agree to this argument. Tariq Aziz, he said called up to say that he had unnecessarily embarrassed the government.
He said when Nab was investigating into the oil pricing scandal, the then prime minister Shaukat Aziz called him to his office and said “the government of Pakistan has decided to stop investigations into the oil pricing issue. I said, Sir, as per powers given under the NAB law, my institution has decided to investigate the case. The PM in a threatening tone said, think again”. He claimed that PM Aziz, his economic team and Abdullah Yousaf were all responsible for corruption and wrongdoings in the oil pricing.
He said NAB`s efforts to probe into telecom and banking sector transactions were foiled by Prime Minister Aziz because he had interests in these sectors. He said he was also not allowed to probe into the 2005 stock exchange crisis. Explaining he said the law did not allow NAB to start investigations in the financial and banking sector unless requested by the State Bank of Pakistan that was under the direct influence of PM Aziz.
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This is conflict of interest, a separate bench should be formed and headed by someone else, CJ should go on vacation or kept far away until the case is completed.
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courageous step! but how could he be part of the same bench?? he needs to stay away from this, until the verdict is out!
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Your argument doesnt make sense. Why should CJ resign if his son is being accused of corruption? His son is an individual in his own right, and is responsible for his own actions..... unless you are implying that the CJ was a partner in taking bribes from Malik Riaz?
However, I do agree that the CJ should not hear this case, regardless of how impartial he may seem. It is against professional ethics to do so. He should have deferred the case to other judges.
One thing is for sure. Revenge politics is at its peak.....cases against PPP, against PML-N, and now against CJs son........and that is leading certain people to do 'hawai firing' by criticizing third parties with tasteless dialogues and poetry.
It is impossible to believe that CJ did not know what his son was doing? Secondly CJ was the main culprit to change his son's profession from doctor to FIA official in a fraudulent manner. He is equally responsible, hence he should resign and hand over this case to other judges.
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Good move CJ. This is what we call true justice. By taking notice against his own son. Can't wait for time when CJ takes Zardari and some of his team in court after the elections.
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I would say to all those who are saying CJ should not be in the bench to take a check into the following things:
1) No one from the Supreme Court but the CJ can take Suo-Motto Action, Since there is no case registered ( i.e. no FIR so far) and only rumors by the PPP ( just like a thread we have over here, remember, in 2007, it was the same thing, rumor started and then alll that fiasco) so CJ had to take this action to get to the facts
2) This thing cannot be called a case by anyone, not at this stage and chances are once this thing turns into a case, then CJ will move himself out of it...
Now more important thing is here, CJ have said that All offices of Malik Riaz should be sealed if he cannot produce evidence to support the rumor he spread in the media... something Hamid Mir said, some documents and Video recording.... Now i guess Malik Riaz have taken a wrong panga... the pandora box have been opened... all these generals were in court today saying we have paid no body we have done nothing to the Supreme Court...
People who were ( specially JIyalas) jumping from last week or so that CJ is traitor because his son took money( totally forgetting that the PM and his sons have name in every major corruption case) now should hold their horses and see the proceedings... can they hold till then or they are going to fill this and many other forums with filth against the judiciary...
It is not only CJ who is going through a tough time, the mods of such forums should play their role as well and if they cannot or have not got enough resources to post what the reality is, the least they can do is keep the discussion on the right track!!!
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It is** impossible to believe that CJ did not know what his son was doing**? Secondly CJ was the main culprit to change his son's profession from doctor to FIA official in a fraudulent manner. He is equally responsible, hence he should resign and hand over this case to other judges.
By this logic, Gillani should have resigned long ago, all his family is involved in corruption
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It is impossible to believe that CJ did not know what his son was doing? Secondly CJ was the main culprit to change his son's profession from doctor to FIA official in a fraudulent manner. He is equally responsible, hence he should resign and hand over this case to other judges.
Before asking for his resignation shouldnt you ask the convicted criminal to resign, the one you defend so staunchly
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Wht abt other cases he been handling if he quits or go leave for awhile !
See that is the real game, no body like CJ, nobody in Govt, be it President, Prime MInister, Interior Hajam aka MInister, MI, and many others... specially since he is giving the agencies some tough time in Balochistan and in the case of Missing persons, they want him out of the picture, remember, CJ retires next year, so once he goes on vacation they think they can have sigh of relief...
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General Ehtesham Zameer repented Malik Riaz in the court . Malik Riaz came in Market in the last days of Zia era when N$ was CM Punjab in Punjab area .He started with naval foundation flag and later became a partner of DHA . He remained close to every ruler . His real power is his link with establishment and he was supporting IK also . Why blaming a single side ?
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By this logic, Gillani should have resigned long ago, all his family is involved in corruption
Nothing has come out of that case yet. Hence Gilani's son is innocent till proved guilty. We are talking about corruption of CJ and his son. Stick to the topic.
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Before asking for his resignation shouldnt you ask the convicted criminal to resign, the one you defend so staunchly
Let him resign first you guys consider him pawitar which is unfortunately not the truth. He is trying to become Hazrat Umar, not even close dust of Khulfai Rashdin's feet.
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people please stick to the topic. Dont take away the only khushkhabri from jiyalas.