The belief of all 4 school of thoughts is that Prophets and Apostles are not the only one who are appointed by Allah:swt: but there are Mujaddideen as well according to an ahsan hadeeth which states that Allah:swt: sends Mujaddid in each centruy who revives the Deen in it’s original form by removing all the evils that might have been added by the time…
Imam Mehdi is, therefore, considered a Mujaddid and not a Prophet or Apostle… and a Mujaddid-e-KaamiL and the last of this Ummah. KaamiL because his rule will be gobal - He will be Khailfatullah alaa min haajin nubuwah - similar to Khulafa-e-Rashideen
Nabi comes from the root Nuun-Baa-Alif meaning “news” … Nabi is the “bringer of News”
Rasul comes from the root Raa-Seen-Laam meaning “message/delivery” … Rasul is the “Bringer of a Message”
PS: Interesting to note that Injeel comes from Euangellion (Greek for Godspel/Gospel) meaning “Good News/Tidings” and not “Message/Book”… also interesting to note that the only available versions of Gospels to-date are in the form of the Hadith/Sirah of Jesus.
“Belief” has a profound role in religion. It defines one’s faith and how one follows it.
Interesting to know that how some Muslims believe that Imam Mahdi will be as a “Mujaddid”. Whether this prophecy is true or not, that’s beside the point. What we read in Quran is quite thought provoking. Allah has set the guidelines in Quran for who to believe in. This includes “The Allah”, “The Angles”, “The Books” and the “The Prophets”. In this list among humans only the Prophets are the one to be believed in.
Now if Imam Mahdi is going to a an ordinary man, not appointed by Allah, elected by general elections or anything elese beside a Prophet – then its absolutely not mandatory to believe in him. (contrary to what Holy Prophet (sa) had said, if you find him go and say my Salam to him, even if you have to crawl on your knees.
Thats my belief.
PS1: Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, first claimed as a Mujaddid then after getting revelation from Allah, proclaimed as a Prophet. On the other hand its been reported in ahadiths that there will be Mujaddids at the head of every century, how come they stopped after 13th?
Salamun Alaikum
Ithink yes, it is the fact that Allah has specifically designated Hazrat Eisa Alehis Salam as Al-massih and it is proved from numerous verses of Quran among which Ayat of Sura Nisa no 171 says:
[RIGHT]يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ لاَ تَغْلُواْ فِي دِينِكُمْ وَلاَ تَقُولُواْ عَلَى اللّهِ إِلاَّ الْحَقِّ إِنَّمَا الْمَسِيحُ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولُ اللّهِ وَكَلِمَتُهُ أَلْقَاهَا إِلَى مَرْيَمَ وَرُوحٌ مِّنْهُ فَآمِنُواْ بِاللّهِ وَرُسُلِهِ وَلاَ تَقُولُواْ ثَلاَثَةٌ انتَهُواْ خَيْرًا لَّكُمْ إِنَّمَا اللّهُ إِلَـهٌ وَاحِدٌ سُبْحَانَهُ أَن يَكُونَ لَهُ وَلَدٌ لَّهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَات وَمَا فِي الأَرْضِ وَكَفَى بِاللّهِ وَكِيلاً {171 [/RIGHT]
Shakir **4:171** O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa son of Marium is only a messenger of Allah and His Word which He communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and His messengers, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one Allah; far be It from His glory that He should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector.
Pickthal **4:171** O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not "Three" - Cease! (it is) better for you! - Allah is only One Allah. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender.
In this Ayat Allah uses the term 'Ina-ma" when saying that Al-Masih, Eisa, Son of marry was on a messenger of Allah. The term Ina-ma is used when one want to stress upon his statement to the extent of exclusiveness. In arabic this is called 'kalma-e-hasar' And gives the meaning of 'it means nothing but'. So in this ayat it is said that "it means nothing but Al-Masih, Eisa, Son of Mary is just a messenger of Allah and his kalima delivered unto Mary......." .
And if you more minutely look into this ayat then you will find that "Ina-ma-Al-masiho Eisa ibne Maryam" by itself is a complete sentance which means that "it means nothng but Al-masih is Eisa who is son of maryam" and resultantly means that Al-Masih is not Mirza Ghulam Ahmed son of Mirza Ghulam Murtaza and his wife Chiragh Bibi..
The same term is again used in the very same ayat as"Ina-ma-Allaho ilahun wahid..." giving the same exclusive impression as "it means nothing but Allah is the the only lord"
So this is the miracle of Quraan that it embadded all the precautions in it that whenever any one stand to claim that he is a massih, this ayat will declare him a Kzzab instantly.
Iltemase dua
I wonder, nobody have the courage to comment on it?
Sawal ye bhi derpaish he ke jab Mirza sahab ‘Ghulam-e-Ahmed’ yani Ahmed ke Gulam ya naukar hain to un ki jamaat or un ke manne walon ko usoolan Ahmadi kehne or khelwane ka to koi haq nahin pohanchta kioonkeh un ka zati naam to Ghulam hai or khandani naam ‘Mirza’ yaani ‘Meer Zada’. to usoolan to un ko ‘Ghulam’ main ‘yae-nisbat’ barhane ke baad “Ghulami” ke naam se yaad kiya jana chahye ya phir Khandani naam ki nisbat se “Mirzai”. Ahmadi to wo kisi tarah bhi nahin qarar paate.
Haan Mirza sahab ke daawe ke mutabiq un ke maanne waale khud ko maseehi kehlwa sakte hain, to kehelwaain.
Sawal ye bhi derpaish he ke jab Mirza sahab 'Ghulam-e-Ahmed' yani Ahmed ke Gulam ya naukar hain to un ki jamaat or un ke manne walon ko usoolan Ahmadi kehne or khelwane ka to koi haq nahin pohanchta kioonkeh un ka zati naam to Ghulam hai or khandani naam 'Mirza' yaani 'Meer Zada'. to usoolan to un ko 'Ghulam' main 'yae-nisbat' barhane ke baad "Ghulami" ke naam se yaad kiya jana chahye ya phir Khandani naam ki nisbat se "Mirzai". Ahmadi to wo kisi tarah bhi nahin qarar paate.
Haan Mirza sahab ke daawe ke mutabiq un ke maanne waale khud ko maseehi kehlwa sakte hain, to kehelwaain.
Is ke sath hi Mirza Sahab jo ba-Zom-khud Ayat "yati minm baadi ismohu Ahmed" ka misdaq bane jate hain or Apne taeen Ahmed-e-mouud samajhte hain to un ki misaal to aisi hi hai ke koi Abdur-Rehman khud ko Rehman samajh le ya Abdur Rab khud ko Rab kehne or kehelwane lage.
Is ke sath hi Mirza Sahab jo ba-Zom-khud Ayat "yati minm baadi ismohu Ahmed" ka misdaq bane jate hain or Apne taeen Ahmed-e-mouud samajhte hain to un ki misaal to aisi hi hai ke koi Abdur-Rehman khud ko Rehman samajh le ya Abdur Rab khud ko Rab kehne or kehelwane lage.
Iltemase dua
Ye bhi aik ajeeb baat hai ke Mirza sahab to her jagah bari shaddo-mad ke saath apne maseeh hone ka dawa kerte rahe, (balke agar ye kaha jaye ke un ki masihiat ki gharz-o-ghayyat hi ye thi ke log un ko maseeh maan lein to is main qatan mubaligha nahin ho ga, kis liye or kin maanon main, is se shayad khud un ko bhi gharz nahin thi kiyoonkeh un ke apne farishton ke ilm main nahin tha ke Hazrat Eisa alehis salam kin maanon main Mazeeh the. Ye ghaliban is liye bhi tha ke shayad mirza sahab ko un ka apna libas 'fit' nahin aata tha or logon ke samne wo be-libas bhi nahin nazar aana chahte the chunanche kabhi wo maseehiat ka 'shimla' sar per sajane ki koshish kerte the kabhi mehdi ki poshak ko maal-e-muft dil-e-be-rahem ke misdaq istemaal kerna jaiz samajhte the) magar Pure Quraan ko alif sey ya tak parh jane ke bawajood Hazrat Eisa Alehis Salam ka Isharatan bhi kahin ye dawa nazar nahin aya ke "main Maseeh hoon" na hi Injeel-e muqaddas main kahin un ka ye dawa milta hai. (Shayad kisi ne un ko zindagi bhar is taraf tawajoh hi nahin dilai ke masshiat ka bhi dawa kerna perta hai) balke her jagha yehi milta hai ke un ko to Allah ne Maseeh qarar diya tha or Paidaishi tor per (Balke Wiladat se bhi pehle) un ke Maseeh hone ka Ailaan ferma dia tha.
To Mirza sahab ko kis ne maseeh banaya tha or kab banaya tha?
Ye bhi aik ajeeb baat hai ke Mirza sahab to her jagah bari shaddo-mad ke saath apne maseeh hone ka dawa kerte rahe, (balke agar ye kaha jaye ke un ki masihiat ki gharz-o-ghayyat hi ye thi ke log un ko maseeh maan lein to is main qatan mubaligha nahin ho ga, kis liye or kin maanon main, is se shayad khud un ko bhi gharz nahin thi kiyoonkeh un ke apne farishton ke ilm main nahin tha ke Hazrat Eisa alehis salam kin maanon main Mazeeh the. Ye ghaliban is liye bhi tha ke shayad mirza sahab ko un ka apna libas 'fit' nahin aata tha or logon ke samne wo be-libas bhi nahin nazar aana chahte the chunanche kabhi wo maseehiat ka 'shimla' sar per sajane ki koshish kerte the kabhi mehdi ki poshak ko maal-e-muft dil-e-be-rahem ke misdaq istemaal kerna jaiz samajhte the) magar Pure Quraan ko alif sey ya tak parh jane ke bawajood Hazrat Eisa Alehis Salam ka Isharatan bhi kahin ye dawa nazar nahin aya ke "main Maseeh hoon" na hi Injeel-e muqaddas main kahin un ka ye dawa milta hai. (Shayad kisi ne un ko zindagi bhar is taraf tawajoh hi nahin dilai ke masshiat ka bhi dawa kerna perta hai) balke her jagha yehi milta hai ke un ko to Allah ne Maseeh qarar diya tha or Paidaishi tor per (Balke Wiladat se bhi pehle) un ke Maseeh hone ka Ailaan ferma dia tha.
To Mirza sahab ko kis ne maseeh banaya tha or kab banaya tha?
Or Mirza sahab ki naboowat bhi apne terz ki nirali naboowat hai ke jis ke liye Allah SWT ne apni hamesha ki sunnat bhi (jis ke liye wo khud fermata hai ke us ki Sunnat main tum koi tabddul or taghayyur nahin pao ge) tabdeel ker di or wo is tarah ke poore anbiya Alehimus salam ki tareekh gawah hai ke allah SWT ne apne anbiya per wahi un ki apni (madri) zaban main nazil ki or tamam anbia apni hi zaban main tableegh bhi kerte rahe, yahan tak ke Hazrat Khatam-ul-anbiya SAWAW ka bhi koi qol or Hadees Ibrani ya farsi zaban main dastiyab nahin hai. magar Mirza sahab aise khusoosi nabi hain ke un per dunya ki kai zabanon main to wahi nazil hoti rahi magar Allah ne un ki walida mohterma ki zaban yani panjabi ko ye sharf nahin bakhsha ke us main bhi kalam ker leta.
Patriot your batteries need to be recharged Bud. Have some conviction of faith in your beliefs.
You need to get you head out of your religous rear end.. You cant prove a THING in your religion.. Your belief is based on absolutely NOTHING...
You are argueing over whos beliefs are real!
God is like an imaginary friend, and your argueing over who s following the teaching of this imaginary friend more closely?
Man, think outside your religous box! Wake up!
My belief is not based on conviction, it is based on nothing more then faith... You believe because you want to, not because there is any logic in it. And religion is ilogical whether you like it or not.
My thinking is even if word khatim means what mirzais proclaim, even if there is no essah to come even then mirzais have LONG way to go to prove mirza jee as some one even equavilent to a normal person.
Bazari Abuses mirza Jee gave , ( to common muslims and others)
Contradictions in his writings(there are plenty of them) and many other facts are enough to prove any one studying mirzaiyat with open mind to through this belive in trash bin.
So lets not waste our time on some thing which is as clear as day light-
Or Mirza sahab ki naboowat bhi apne terz ki nirali naboowat hai ke jis ke liye Allah SWT ne apni hamesha ki sunnat bhi (jis ke liye wo khud fermata hai ke us ki Sunnat main tum koi tabddul or taghayyur nahin pao ge) tabdeel ker di or wo is tarah ke poore anbiya Alehimus salam ki tareekh gawah hai ke allah SWT ne apne anbiya per wahi un ki apni (madri) zaban main nazil ki or tamam anbia apni hi zaban main tableegh bhi kerte rahe, yahan tak ke Hazrat Khatam-ul-anbiya SAWAW ka bhi koi qol or Hadees Ibrani ya farsi zaban main dastiyab nahin hai. magar Mirza sahab aise khusoosi nabi hain ke un per dunya ki kai zabanon main to wahi nazil hoti rahi magar Allah ne un ki walida mohterma ki zaban yani panjabi ko ye sharf nahin bakhsha ke us main bhi kalam ker leta.
Hai na Khariq-us-Sunnat naboowat?
Or mazeed ye ke jin beshter zabanom main un per wahi nazil hoti rahi un main english bhi shamil hai or un ke pass aane wale farishton main se aik ka naam khud unhon ne "Teachi" bhi bataya (jo english word Teach yani taaleem ko arbia ke us main yae-nisbat laga ker Teachi ker liya gaya hai) magar jin Hazrat Eisa Alhis Salam ke naam se woh maseel ban ker maseeh hone ka dawa ker rahe hain un ki zaban yani Hebrew ya Ibrani main un ke rab ne un se kabhi kalam nahin kiya.
is, therefore, considered a Mujaddid and not a Prophet or Apostle… and a Mujaddid-e-KaamiL and the last of this Ummah. KaamiL because his rule will be gobal - He will be Khailfatullah alaa min haajin nubuwah - similar to Khulafa-e-Rashideen
we are not talking about zimmi nabi or any other nabi… i was just asking you to provide me with your definition of a nabi from the Qura’an plz.
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