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Are you not getting what you want? 
Without a doubt, polygamy is halal, but you guys don’t let it be. You’ve made it look sinful and haram, because you guys push the limits too far when you can’t have your way.
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^ damn str8
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who are you blaming? all the guys who have ever practised polygamy? Just because a few guys have ignored the obligation that comes with polygamy that means that polygamy is automatically ruled haram? Should we also change it in the Quran because afterall we would not want to mislead anyone especially when it comes concerns the matter of paradise and hell.
There are people that abuse the practice of marraige in general just as there are people who abuse the practice of multiple marraiges but that does not mean that people should not be allowed to marry so why should it mean that people should not be allowed to practice polygamy?
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Conclusion of the thread:
Polygamy has and will continue to be practised and there is nothing women can do about it.
PS. Except taking a number and getting in line.
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It’s no use telling me what I am supposed to think. Your words will be a lot more appreciated if you talk about this with the so-called abusers of the practice. 
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I’m not telling you what to think. Just wanted to make my point that we can’t change rulings in the Quran thats it. I’m sure we both agree on that.
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Well, I apply it equally. If I ever find that I’m (God forbid) sterile, I would no longer consider myself worthy of being married to a fertile woman. I simply would not be as good as her. Worse, I would be robbing her of the opportunity to procreate and have her own children.
Hence my first reaction would be to offer her a divorce if she wishes one.
In event of such a divorce, my second reaction would be to set about finding a sterile muslim wife.
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Dimagh, man what did pakistan do to you? You sound so much more grown-up!
geekk - it surprises me at times. Alcohol was made haraam because of abuses. Polygamy is filled with abuses, and even the Quran admits that few men can handle it. Why not have just banned it then?
sighz
I think the issue is not of fertility or of "where will my first wife go - its better to keep her on the side than divorce her"...
I think, to put it harshly, it is part of human nature. Man is polyamorous. Woman is too. But women biologically have to invest time and effort into gestation, birth, and raising of children. So they can't afford hanky-panky, although trust me, doing two + men is on the minds of many women, just as doing 2 + women is on the minds of many men.
Yes, aankhein phaar ke parlo. But its true.
So, since it is not in the biological interest of a woman to take on multiple mates, nor will it increase her biological fitness, women tend not to form male-harems.
On the other hand, men can impregnate and just leave. Lets face it. And men know this because when they go off and have daughters (I so hope maddie jee is reading this part), they realize how real this possibility is and how horrific it can be. Thus, the institution of polygamy. Its basically a license to do what you're biologically programmed to do with minimal damage to the woman folk. If you impregnate her, then you had better not leave her. But since your piggish tendencies - biologically driven - will divert your attention onto other females and you may go so far as to pursue them, then go ahead and marry them too. At some point your bank balance is going to make you pay for it anyway, so you will reach a saturation point. Either you wont be able to have anymore wives because you can't afford it, or because you're too tired of all the bickering and fights, or you're too tired of all the little babies running amock in your home and you've lost track as to which kid came from which womb.
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This wasn’t about changing rulings in the Quran. It was rather about how guys take certain rulings in the Quran for granted, that’s if they are in their favor.
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Oh and yeah, the other component to it, from what I've gathered so far is that women ARE property in the eyes of men. No matter how much we try to prove ourselves, no matter how much we try to succeed and make it on our own and show we can do whatever a man can do and with just as much ease - men will always see women as property.
The more you can have, the better of a man you are.
Whether its "dude, I did 3 chics at once!"
or "Mashallah, I have 3 wives and I take care of all of them and love them equally"
it translates to the biological "I am a strong biologically fit male - and my reproductive success is higher than all of you losers who can't even get one female".
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Let’s not blame pakistan for it. I grew up on my own. 
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wow PCG, you know men better than we know ourselves, no wonder you can't stand us :D
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You keep mentioning that the Quran says that few men can handle it. Where does it say it? Again it does however say that man will not be able to do perfect justice and that is true because man can only be just to what is under his control like spending money time etc but other things such as love and desire are not under his control. That’s why NO man will ever be perfectly just. Why it isn’t banned? I don’t know. Only Allah knows and if he says its halal then who are we as humans to challenge the word of God. There will be men that strictly abide by the rules regarding polygamy and there will be men who won’t.
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So what does that have to do with guys who do follow the rulings properly? Do they get to have their God given rights stripped?
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geekk - it surprises me at times. Alcohol was made haraam because of abuses. Polygamy is filled with abuses, and even the Quran admits that few men can handle it. Why not have just banned it then?
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Talk to Allah. See if HE can help your feminist mind with that query.
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I think, to put it harshly, it is part of human nature. Man is polyamorous. Woman is too. But women biologically have to invest time and effort into gestation, birth, and raising of children. So they can't afford hanky-panky, although trust me, doing two + men is on the minds of many women, just as doing 2 + women is on the minds of many men.
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PCG, is calling for two good men. :)
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At some point your bank balance is going to make you pay for it anyway, so you will reach a saturation point. Either you wont be able to have anymore wives because you can't afford it, or because you're too tired of all the bickering and fights,
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Above statement perfectly describes women. All they care about is bank balance and bitching i.e. bickering and fights.
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Well that is what I wonder geekk. If one were to say to polygamous men that "You can't do this anymore"...and it were deemed to be stripping them of their rights...
It almost sounds counterintuitive. A person is stripped of their rights when something that they can't live without is taken away from them. If someone took away your right to engage in polygamy (as what happens if you move to the States for example), do you think some injustice is being done to you? Would you feel like someone is taking away something from you that you can't live without?
I really do feel that having more than wife is a form of an excess.
Like I said, it can only be justified if this really is our biological nature.
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Kill them? no seriously if the wives are being abused then obviously muslims should do what they can to help. But I want to ask you what do you do with muslims that don’t pray?
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PCG, Yes it is in the nature of the pigs to desire more than one mate.
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Kaleem - good. It is the female reaction to prevent the man from bringing in another woman into the house. Tire him out so much that he can't even contemplate pursuing another woman. But then girls dont realize that guys aren't smart enough to understand that taking another woman means T-R-O-U-B-L-E