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And not too sure about the whole "liberal agenda". Yes, one part (less than 1%) has probably gotten more liberal over the years, but in general with the rise in powers of mullahs, the boom of all the people coming out from the hard core madrisahs built in the 80's , and the increase in the mass killing of minorities, I would hardly say that things are getting more liberal over there.
Thank you.
You should let this side of Slims out more often. =)
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Amusing posts. So people actually think this is a liberal conspiracy hatched by some 19 year old behind a counter trying to work a coffee machine. How is this an example of religious freedom being denied. She was snubbed? Shocking. Customer service is usually stellar in Pakistan. You'll be met with the same reaction asking for extra napkins, but since this relates to religion the footmen of the Islamic Republic are up in arms.
Gotta love Facebook/Twitter activists. They won't get off their privileged asses to protest the country drowning in debt and terrorism, but a Defense Phase 2 Aunty must have her justice. This is probably the same Aunty who'll mow other women down at lawn exhibitions and underpay her domestic help. Allah is nowhere to be seen then.
that's just it ....i cant understand a protest on such an issue when there are so so so many bigger issues that go without any protest when those are the ones actually needing such protests
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its amazing how we are willing to protest someone's attitude (aka the waiter's attitude) and yet we cannot give a flying rat's hiney about the issues that are dragging pakistan backwards
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^ The rude barista symbolizes the country being ravaged by liberal terrorism, Veena Malik style.
Samjha karein.
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Thank you.
You should let this side of Slims out more often. =)
=)
I usually can't be bothered about getting into long pointless arguments on here so I let things be :p
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^ Many people equate liberalism with (militant) secularism. There's nothing liberal about intolerance of religious belief/practice.
Why couldn't I put it so succinctly?
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Agree with your postsx- would gently like to point out - at least in US it is the right wing that would like to impose restrictions. The progressive liberals believe in live and let live. So these policiescare outcome of leaning to the right.
While I don't know European politics it is my understanding more right leaning parties have come to power and are responsible for such restrictions.
That's what I said... the extremist end of liberalism, the right wing liberals so I'm not sure why the need to defend the progressive liberals. Point noted anyhow.
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You my dear, just hit the nail on the head. 
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There’s just too much of imagination in your post that it has become hilarious.
Let me give your post a reality based answer.
19 year old is an adult. By all standards. Not a 6 year old who has to ask daddy/papa what to do in such situation.
19 year old should have known the norm of the country.
19 year old should have been respectful to the request made for a place for prayer by an older woman.
Customer service in Pakistan even in small shops etc. (in general) is no different from anywhere else.
The case is about a coffee shop, not phajjay Ke Paaye ki Dukaan.
And the red part is most hilarious part. Simply your sarcasm based on your imagination and generalization.
Does not have any credibility.
You think a woman from as you say defense 2 resident doesn’t need to ask for prayer place or all of these women are engaged in lawn exhibition? 
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^ Diwana ji, don't be so quick to dismiss the veracity that is the Defence Ki Auntian...I take it you've never been to a Sana Safinaz lawn exhibition/launch?!? Scary stuff, I assure you. These women can pull hair, punch and hurl galiyan at one another quicker than your avi can wink.
No joke.
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^ Diwana ji, don't be so quick to dismiss the veracity that is the Defence Ki Auntian...I take it you've never been to a Sana Safinaz lawn exhibition/launch?!? Scary stuff, I assure you. These women can pull hair, punch and hurl galiyan at one another quicker than your avi can wink.
No joke.
Maybe so. Bash all you want those women.
Just answer one thing.
What is this has to do with the topic of thread and the woman in question?
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^ absolutley nothing...except to show that none of us know who that women was, who the waiter was or what actually transpired during the altercation. We are all going off of twitter and facebook rants. The upper middle class people who most likely frequent establishments like Espresso have every right to ask for a place to pray, but those "aunties" are also known for being snooty, condescending, and loud voiced harpies.
That's all.
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^ absolutley nothing...except to show that none of us know who that women was, who the waiter was or what actually transpired during the altercation. We are all going off of twitter and facebook rants. The upper middle class people who most likely frequent establishments like Espresso have every right to ask for a place to pray, *but those "aunties" are also known for being snooty, condescending, and loud voiced harpies. * That's all.
Yes absolutely nothing, and hence I pointed out that using imagination or generalization to demonize someone is wrong.
Now you said "most likely"
Then you said "those "aunties" are also known as".....
First it is another generalization and hence you rightly said 'most likely'. But that is not for sure.
Besides the woman in question is no where mentioned to be among those women.
We don't even know if she lived in ChaakiwaRa or Guru Mandir area and happens to go there for coffee and asked for a place to pray.
Nothing to do where she lived or what she does in her life.
Right?
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I know you LOVE always being right and have to have the last say but you and I both know that it is not the average, working class Pakistani that is going to Espresso for Iftaari. Give me a break, please 
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No. That’s not the point. I gave you opposite examples of defense as ChakiwaRa/Guru Mandir just to highlight that we don’t know and should not care where exactly she was from or what she did in her life.
Trying to make a point based on such speculations is not good.
OK. I give you a break. 
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Give you a break = Diwana loses argument. Well done , khattichic :)
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BBQ the extreme end of liberalism - that is the far far left - would not go after other cultures. They would be for separation of church and state. They would be against imposition of any religion upon them - that is they don't want to be forced to say prayers etc. They would not care what others practise.
In the us it is the rush limbaughs michelle bachmans newt gingrich glen beck who rail against Muslims. All of them are far right and not from extreme liberal wing.
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^ Many people equate liberalism with (militant) secularism. There's nothing liberal about intolerance of religious belief/practice.
After thinking some more (too much time on my hands) I am not familiar with militant secularsm. Seculrism is freedom to practise any or no religion. Secularists don't stop others from following their faith. Extreme secularists would go to great lengths to ensure no religion is forced on anyone, there is separation of church and state etc.
The only group I know who rail against minority religions are the rush limbaughs - the extreme right.
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Give you a break = Diwana loses argument. Well done , khattichic :)
Sure. ;)
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she had you tongue-tied going ba ba ba, pal. :) ;)