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Already a significant number of people consider Barelvis as mushriqs. They are next in line to be declared as kafirs.
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and brelvis call others Gustakh e Rasool
few “naats” implies that those are shaitan who dont celebrate birth.
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Lets first clear out the confusion about this thread. Are we against mawlid itself or are we against the way it's celebrated by some people in Pakistan? As far as I know, mawlid celebrations aren't limited to just Pakistan or just the Pakistani method of celebrating it (with causing trouble and all).
I guess it's the Pakistani style of celebrating...they do the same on their weddings, causing trouble and nuisance for others.
If you look at past it was never like it is today. That’s why such inventions are prohibited in Islam. Things have no authenticity, if allowed to perform, will obviously go worse any day as people will continue recreating.
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I'm no where near innocent brother TLK ... :D
I'm not associated with people of excess in either direction ... To be completely prohibiting of the practice is as bad as what you describe above. *People of the middle path *... Are the ones who love the most and are most adherent ... They sacrifice no quarter ... And are the most sacrificing ...
People who create models of Ka'bah and Roza e Rasool and other stuff to celebrate alongside the road may be an extreme for some people. In next generation it will become a middle path when some will invent a model of 'santa claus' besides the models of Ka'bah and Roza e Rasool. Just because you say you are on a middle path or middle path is right does make it all good.
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and brelvis call others Gustakh e Rasool few "naats" implies that those are shaitan who dont celebrate birth.
I don't support fatwas regardless of who issues it, it has brought no good to the religion.
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The first video explains why it is needed.
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People who create models of Ka'bah and Roza e Rasool and other stuff to celebrate alongside the road may be an extreme for some people. In next generation it will become a middle path when some will invent a model of 'santa claus' besides the models of Ka'bah and Roza e Rasool. Just because you say you are on a middle path or middle path is right does make it all good.
Criteria ... Brother ajazali ... The key is not what is considered extreme ... The key is why it is considered extreme ... And your answer lies in criteria ... When you can establish the criteria of extreme and analyse it for internal consistency then you will establish the basis for middle path ... Otherwise it is just opinion.
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Criteria ... Brother ajazali ... The key is not what is considered extreme ... The key is why it is considered extreme ... And your answer lies in criteria ... When you can establish the criteria of extreme and analyse it for internal consistency then you will establish the basis for middle path ... Otherwise it is just opinion.
yes 'extreme' is an opinion. there is nothing like extreme or moderate in religion. only right and wrong, allowed or not allowed.
how do you derive the middle path, by looking at two extremes or by looking at Scripture?
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there is nothing like extreme or moderate in religion. only right and wrong, allowed or not allowed.
Wrong.
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People who create models of Ka'bah and Roza e Rasool and other stuff to celebrate alongside the road may be an extreme for some people. In next generation it will become a middle path when some will invent a model of 'santa claus' besides the models of Ka'bah and Roza e Rasool. Just because you say you are on a middle path or middle path is right does make it all good.
These celebrations have been carried out for centuries...no one has invented model of Santa clause. Stop spreading lies and making an excuse to destroy shrines and desecrate graves.
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These celebrations have been carried out for centuries...no one has invented model of Santa clause. Stop spreading lies and making an excuse to destroy shrines and desecrate graves.
lolz, i think you dont know what you have written in your post earlier that is "I guess it's the Pakistani style of celebrating...they do the same on their weddings, causing trouble and nuisance for others."
I can give you more example that are close to pracitices of other religions but then you will say something like ''it is tactic to defame the practice by bringing the extreme examples.
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lolz, i think you dont know what you have written in your post earlier that is "I guess it's the Pakistani style of celebrating...they do the same on their weddings, causing trouble and nuisance for others."
I can give you more example that are close to pracitices of other religions but then you will say something like ''it is tactic to defame the practice by bringing the extreme examples.
May be you should get used to then...instead of spewing hatred against what others do on mawlid. I know some people who say rasme hina is haram, when in fact, it's some practices which are haram and not the whole idea of putting mahndi on bride or bridegroom.
but because we are hypocrites so for us Pakistanis it is completely okay to allow Bollywood sort of weddings but when it comes to anything that is Islamic we make a huge deal.
Kis sahabi ki shadi aisay hui thi? Please bring a Hadith?
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Oh and not to mention how we celebrate our kids' birthdays....but coz it has nothing to do with Islam, it's okay. Lets just admit it, we don't consider Islam as a way of life hence we choose to follow some things and leave others.
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May be you should get used to then...instead of spewing hatred against what others do on mawlid. I know some people who say rasme hina is haram, when in fact, it's some practices which are haram and not the whole idea of putting mahndi on bride or bridegroom.
but because we are hypocrites so for us Pakistanis it is completely okay to allow Bollywood sort of weddings but when it comes to anything that is Islamic we make a huge deal.
Kis sahabi ki shadi aisay hui thi? Please bring a Hadith?
Oh and not to mention how we celebrate our kids' birthdays....but coz it has nothing to do with Islam, it's okay. Lets just admit it, we don't consider Islam as a way of life hence we choose to follow some things and leave others.
:D
dont be emotional.
I got how you check the authenticity of matters of religion. you atleast accepted that it is not Islamic.
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Peace All,
The issue we have is that what we consider as bidah is considered acceptable by someone else. Every sect considers itself righteous and the rest as innovating things. Most of the noise regarding bidah's come from salafis, you just need to closely observe them. Some times I feel that each and every thing we do is a bidah according to some one else. I dont agree with many things that happen on the mazars but I dont judge, I simply dont do those acts which I dont consider right.
Anyways, if the motive is to learn about other sects its fine but if the motive is to stoke sectarian tensions then we already have plenty of molvis doing that. I have no problem with people propagating what they consider right, but doing that with a self righteous tone just pushes others away. The attitude of I am right and you are wrong has destroyed us, it starts from declaring others as biddatees and goes towards mushrikeen and kafirs.
I think if we really really understand what "A Muslim brother is a brother of another Muslim means, precisely speaking one who said "there is no God except one", then I guess there will be no issue in discussing such topic regardless belonging to diff. sects.
Afterall what's happening in ME and spefically in Pakistan, do people still have the nerve to indulge in such inflammatory sectarian debates? As if dozens of bombs going off at shia rallies and jaloos wasn't enough. Yeah it's the fault of poor and uneducated.
I'm sorry but for Islam's sake live and let live. Stop acting like takheydaars of Islam! Accept the differences and move on!
Pardon me but I disagree with what you said b'coz the purpose of "Amr bil Maroof & Nahi Anil Munkar", just ends in what u said.
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Haram is a big big big word! Things that are declared haraam is crystal clear in Quran and through the words of Prophet Muhammad pbuh.
Goodness, do people have no fear of God? How popular and well followed is Moulana Fazlu in Pakistan? Serious question...
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yes 'extreme' is an opinion. there is nothing like extreme or moderate in religion. only right and wrong, allowed or not allowed.
how do you derive the middle path, by looking at two extremes or by looking at Scripture?
Peace ajazali
Personal experience has given me a different insight in this matter. I have made my choice and changed my previous position towards favouring the milad. I don't think you are interested to know or understand my reasons ... I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me for not engaging in your conversation ... I have already had this conversation with myself ... I have seen the arguments for and against it ... For some reason I chose this way which I feel is closest to the spirit of Islam through reason and through reflection ... My teachers have given me so much supporting material for loving the prophet through these methods and I guess for you I will be a lost cause now ... I apologise again I am not good enough for you.
This notion of nothing like extreme in religion confuses me ... Please elaborate on what you mean ...
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I think the modern day architecture of Holy places in Mecca and Madina is pure bidaaaaaaaa.
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and brelvis call others Gustakh e Rasool few "naats" implies that those are shaitan who dont celebrate birth.
Here is an example:
One people accuse another for being mushrik the other accuse the former for being gustakh ...
so this is stalemate ... In my opinion.
I view both to be mistaken ... About one another ... If I listen to one group of people I listen to what they have to say about their own beliefs and ignore what they say against others ... This way I can objectively decide who I want to agree with.
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:D dont be emotional. I got how you check the authenticity of matters of religion. you atleast accepted that it is not Islamic.
The poetry you post in poetry forum is also unIslamic.
Ps: I'm not saying mawlid is not islamic...I'm saying it's not part of shariah.