You make 10million flags and JhandiaaN of the footprint.
You make processions…carrying wooden replicas of the green dome…you pass through the cities…
You have huge trucks and floats…on which women and men and children dressed for a shaadi are chanting slogans…
You have loud speakers on which bollywood songs ‘naats’ are being played…
Then you hold a ‘milaad mehfil’…
You bring a colorful molvie…as chief guest…
You bring a brigade of Naat singers…throw money at them as they are singining bollywood songs…and the crowd is waving its arms and rocking it out…and there are disco light strobes as well
The mehfil starts at around ishaa and continues till2-3am…with huge loud speakers keeping the whole neighborhood awake…oh…and for this mehfil…you block the roads and erect tents too…nobody can pass through them… and there is plenty of ‘langar shareef’…and eating from that gives your many sawaabs
and some people place a special ‘‘throne’’ on which the Prophet SW sits during the mehfil…because he visits every mehfil-e-milaad personally…so there is need of a special decorated chair/throne…
I say that sure does raise the love of the prophet to very high level
PS: none of the details mentioned are exaggerated at all… seen it all first hand…
Afterall what's happening in ME and spefically in Pakistan, do people still have the nerve to indulge in such inflammatory sectarian debates? As if dozens of bombs going off at shia rallies and jaloos wasn't enough. Yeah it's the fault of poor and uneducated.
I'm sorry but for Islam's sake live and let live. Stop acting like takheydaars of Islam! Accept the differences and move on!
Jolie dear, correcting each other and killing each other are two different things. We are talking about the sin (those who think that it's a sin,), not the sinner.
Jolie dear, correcting each other and killing each other are two different things. We are talking about the sin (those who think that it's a sin,), not the sinner.
Sorry that's not correction, that's simply creating division. Divisions that are responsible for death of million of Muslims all around the world. The sinful divisions that are responsible for creating intolerance, unrest and conspiracies in Muslims countries by the hands of Muslims. Muslims are fighting, arguing, denouncing each other in the name of correcting other Muslims. Muslims are killing each other in the name of correcting each other, some Muslims are actively spreading hatred, prejudice and misinformation in the name of correcting each other. It's okay to create fitna and fasaad in the name of correcting others' belief but its just the killing that looks totally uncool? The fact that despite all the deadly on going sectarian conflict in virtually every Muslim country, people still have the nerve to indulge in sectarian pin pointing i.e correcting, is beyond me. Not so long ago in Pakistan, Shia-Sunni difference was also just another debate to point out the sin and correct the sinner but now look, where everything is heading. I hope I'm proven wrong but the day is not far where dozens of bombs will also be set off at Milaad rallies and jalsas, if such attitude continues.
I was hoping that maybe the so called educated Muslims would rise up and say enough is enough, let accept the differences and live and let live. We were told about existence of 72 different sects 1400 years ago, can anyone change this reality?
No one has to police anyone's belief in a hope of correcting them. Islam is pretty clear on things which are haraam and things which are halaal and farz. It's ridiculous and so embarrassing to see Muslims turning petty grey topics into matter of whole deen and imaan.
PS. Voting for Imran Khan is also a sin if you know what I mean.
Lets first clear out the confusion about this thread. Are we against mawlid itself or are we against the way it's celebrated by some people in Pakistan? As far as I know, mawlid celebrations aren't limited to just Pakistan or just the Pakistani method of celebrating it (with causing trouble and all).
I guess it's the Pakistani style of celebrating...they do the same on their weddings, causing trouble and nuisance for others.
Sorry that's not correction, that's simply creating division. Divisions that are responsible for death of million of Muslims all around the world. The sinful divisions that are responsible for creating intolerance, unrest and conspiracies in Muslims countries by the hands of Muslims. Muslims are fighting, arguing, denouncing each other in the name of correcting other Muslims. Muslims are killing each other in the name of correcting each other, some Muslims are actively spreading hatred, prejudice and misinformation in the name of correcting each other. It's okay to create fitna and fasaad in the name of correcting others' belief but its just the killing that looks totally uncool? The fact that despite all the deadly on going sectarian conflict in virtually every Muslim country, people still have the nerve to indulge in sectarian pin pointing i.e correcting, is beyond me. Not so long ago in Pakistan, Shia-Sunni difference was also just another debate to point out the sin and correct the sinner but now look, where everything is heading. I hope I'm proven wrong but the day is not far where dozens of bombs will also be set off at Milaad rallies and jalsas, if such attitude continues.
I was hoping that maybe the so called educated Muslims would rise up and say enough is enough, let accept the differences and live and let live. We were told about existence of 72 different sects 1400 years ago, can anyone change this reality?
No one has to police anyone's belief in a hope of correcting them. Islam is pretty clear on things which are haraam and things which are halaal and farz. It's ridiculous and so embarrassing to see Muslims turning petty grey topics into matter of whole deen and imaan.
PS. Voting for Imran Khan is also a sin if you know what I mean.
Lets first clear out the confusion about this thread. Are we against mawlid itself or are we against the way it's celebrated by some people in Pakistan? As far as I know, mawlid celebrations aren't limited to just Pakistan or just the Pakistani method of celebrating it (with causing trouble and all).
I guess it's the Pakistani style of celebrating...they do the same on their weddings, causing trouble and nuisance for others.
Often the tactic used to defame a practice is to bring up the worst examples of people who practice it.
in which case, all weddings should be forbidden because most of the ways they are done today are unIslamic, or all Eid celebrations should be forbidden because of most of the ways they are celebrated are unIslamic, or anything else ...
On the flip side people who say the mawlid is not an innovation are not correct either ... It is an innovation; that for some is an automatic disqualification and for others depends whether it is a reprehensible innovation or a good one ... Then we can analyse the various expressions of this innovation and easily conclude which forms bring us benefit and which bring us harm. And it is our responsibility to promote the benefits thereof and warn against the harms.
Lets get back to the basics......two questions1. Is the date of birth confirmed at 12 Rabi ul Awwal? Is the death date confirmed at 12 Rabi ul Awwal?2. Is it a designated 3rd Eid? (in addition to the two divinely revealed Eids)
Lets get back to the basics......two questions1. Is the date of birth confirmed at 12 Rabi ul Awwal? Is the death date confirmed at 12 Rabi ul Awwal?2. Is it a designated 3rd Eid? (in addition to the two divinely revealed Eids)
Easy ...
No, but general opinion suggests this is correct, by majority.
Yes, this is also the date of wafat, by consensus.
No it is not a designated 3rd Eid, although some countries have it as a holiday alongside their national days, and it can be done and is more effective if done many times in the year to maintain our connection these days.
So there is an element of uncertainity with respect to the date of Birth....but no doubt as to the date of death.Basically celebrating on the death day.....Its not a designated eid either.......What is left then? You pretty much agree that it needs not be 'celebrated' as an 'Eid' on 'Birthday'......Nobody can deny the importance of rememberance and expression of love....... but what could be better way than what was prescribed by the prophet SW himself?? Why the need to create new things to achieve the same objective?
So there is an element of uncertainity with respect to the date of Birth....but no doubt as to the date of death.Basically celebrating on the death day.....Its not a designated eid either.......What is left then? You pretty much agree that it needs not be 'celebrated' as an 'Eid' on 'Birthday'......Nobody can deny the importance of rememberance and expression of love....... but what could be better way than what was prescribed by the prophet SW himself?? Why the need to create new things to achieve the same objective?
Your first sentence is not correct or incomplete ... Who in their right mind celebrates death? Look to see what their intent is ... Don't be fixated on dates ... That is a deliberate distraction you are putting yourself in. If the complaint is the date I have already answered it by saying it is done throughout the year, no more issue. And even if it was done on his death ... And the life was being celebrated this again is no cause for concern ... Mourning in Islam is for three days ... Not every year but just once the time when it happens.
The prophet (SAW) prescribed some things to us ... And other things were advised and instructed without prescription ... Loving him (SAW) is a must ... And as explained before different times demand different things because time itself has changed to maintain the sameness of the past we must adjust with time.
There are many things we all do today that would qualify as 'doing new things' but they are done in order to go back to the sameness of the early Muslims. Modernity has us diminish the stature and importance of RasoolAllah (SAW) ... The mawlid is the counter-balance to that.
If you watch those videos I posted you will see ... We look at the outcomes ... there is an objective fact in the difference of the people who remember RasoolAllah (SAW) from those who only pay it lip service and spend more of their time stopping people from remembering him (SAW).
The way it is done and is being done is the correct way ... The use of song and melody in human life accesses our emotive centres, poetry and singing in praise of RasoolAllah (SAW) was done in his lifetime and accepted by him (SAW) ... Reading Seerah and Hadith is also done by all people, so why not over this particular subject of his character and mercy and beauty?
Giving food is a noble charity and it is done to increase love between people ... How can these be bad? They are not bad ... One merely needs to look at and discern what is good and what is bad without closing their minds to what is in plain sight and instead choose to follow the voices of the people who declare themselves as custodians of the faith yet do not embody the character of RasoolAllah (SAW) ... Which was kindness, mildness towards all people.
Interesting thing is that the people who scream most about bidahs themselves do them as well.
What is taraweeh by the way? The way people follow It these days, it seems to have become a farz. 8 rakaat in Taraweeh? Following Saudi Arabia for deciding Ramadan and Eid? What are suicide bombings? What about usage of microphones in mosques? 3 day and 40 day chilas?
If we see objectively all these are bidahs, but the end result is to please Allah. So can we judge?
some more bid'aat include ... Niqaab, musHaf collection of Qur'an, driving in a car to the mosque, using toothbrush and paste ...
although suicide bombings is not a bid'a that is acceptable ... All of the above are considered good. The bid'a of mawlid has been going on much longer than some of the other bid'as mentioned above.
I think I clearly stated and requested that your valuable post should be made according to my question posted in post#1 which was when it was started and started by whom?. I haven’t asked whether it’s a bidda or not nor asked to justify milad by giving another examples.
One again I request you all to please please stick to my question which is posted in post#1 to understand about ‘Milad’ in better sense and I hope you guyz will cooperate this time. **we’ll try to discuss/cover all aspects related to this but step by step. Jumping up in ending will not leads us anywhere. Patience please. **
"If we read our history, then we’ll came to know that this ‘Milad’, wasn’t celebrated by Hazrat Abu Bakr, Umar, Usman, and Ali r.a., nor by the Companion of Prophet Muhammad till some 7th Hijra. Also heard that this Milad wasn’t also celebrated during the time of Yazeed/Yazid. After that there was a person who’s name was “Malik Muzafar”, who first started celebration of this ‘Milad’ for whatsoever reason/purpose. I think the same is also quoted by Ibn Katheer in his book “The Beginning and the Ending”
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So my question is if the Prophet Muhammad during His PBUH lifetime never did this, not recommended/ordered His Companions r.a. to celebrate this, nor by our ‘Khulafa-e-Rashideen’ celebrated, then today, why we celebrate it? Short answer preferred. **
P.S. There are many posts which I would like to answer but I don’t wish to derail the thread to off-topic so plz stick to my question.
This is a religous forum and i am only putting forward arguments on theological discussion. I did not at any point advocate that those who celebrate should be stopped or killed or whatever...... I am merely pointing out my observations........so are others....... so stop insinuating that some sort of sectarian warmongering is going on here......
Lets first clear out the confusion about this thread. Are we against mawlid itself or are we against the way it's celebrated by some people in Pakistan? As far as I know, mawlid celebrations aren't limited to just Pakistan or just the Pakistani method of celebrating it (with causing trouble and all).
I guess it's the Pakistani style of celebrating...they do the same on their weddings, causing trouble and nuisance for others.
It is indeed an integral part of the discussion........... from what i know...even the barailvi molvies disassociate themselves (publically) from the practices that i listed in my post.......i have seen that happening many times........but they don't actually do anything about the 'way it is practiced'.........
This is a religous forum and i am only putting forward arguments on theological discussion. I did not at any point advocate that those who celebrate should be stopped or killed or whatever...... I am merely pointing out my observations........so are others....... so stop insinuating that some sort of sectarian warmongering is going on here......
The issue we have is that what we consider as bidah is considered acceptable by someone else. Every sect considers itself righteous and the rest as innovating things. Most of the noise regarding bidah's come from salafis, you just need to closely observe them. Some times I feel that each and every thing we do is a bidah according to some one else. I dont agree with many things that happen on the mazars but I dont judge, I simply dont do those acts which I dont consider right.
Anyways, if the motive is to learn about other sects its fine but if the motive is to stoke sectarian tensions then we already have plenty of molvis doing that. I have no problem with people propagating what they consider right, but doing that with a self righteous tone just pushes others away. The attitude of I am right and you are wrong has destroyed us, it starts from declaring others as biddatees and goes towards mushrikeen and kafirs.
**we’ll try to discuss/cover all aspects related to this but step by step. Jumping up in ending will not leads us anywhere. Patience please. 
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till some 7th Hijra. Also heard that this Milad wasn’t also celebrated during the time of Yazeed/Yazid. After that there was a person who’s name was “Malik Muzafar”, who first started celebration of this ‘Milad’ for whatsoever reason/purpose. I think the same is also quoted by Ibn Katheer in his book “The Beginning and the Ending”
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