Let’s say I am a personal trainer. My team are made to do star jumps at midday everyday … However, on this one occasion I instructed the team to go on a bike ride to another town and I said. “Be quick, get to the finish line and remember your star jumps!”
Some members of the team stopped in the middle of the bike ride at midday and did their star jumps … the others continued to the finish line and did their star jumps there … Which of the two sub-teams were correct?
Exactly my point. Why would one argue over which one is correct and which isn’t when the information available to them was insufficient to make any solid conclusion in the first place? Would you say one of the sub-teams was ‘wrong’ (c.f. some sects believe certain practices of other sects are ‘wrong/shouldn’t be done’).
In this case both have an equal claim to being correct. More generically - when we decide to do things we should evaluate the fullest possible evidences to build the best possible picture in order to extract the likeliest of verdicts. In addition as I said earlier - all of this is underpinned by intention - i.e. sincerity. Allah (SWT) rewards us for making wrong interpretations and increases the reward for correct ones - so long as both are done in a true vein to seek out and arrive at the truth. It is then the responsibility of all present to respect the path the others followed.
However, if a person chooses a given way without sincerity in his heart he is only kidding himself and if he is zealous of his choice then his actions burn up against the bad conduct he has for his fellow being. It is not singular interpretation we need to acquire … it is respect for difference.
There are some discrete points in which we do not vary … I posted a video last week … please watch that if you have time.
I’ve photographed a lot of events like these and I find the ostentatiousness personally quite repulsive. Last eid Milad un nabi I photographed had sculptures of animals. I have no idea how tiger and elephant figurines help celebrate the prophet’s (saw) birthday better.
But that is like saying those who don’t celebrate Mawlid are ISIS members … If you take the extreme position to judge the rest of those who associate with this practice it is unfair. Likewise, it would be unfair to call all those people who do not celebrate Mawlid as radical people who want to destroy everything.
Seek out the best of people and judge them on how adherent they are of the works of their own scholars.
Its not actually new, The companions would praise the Mawlid, now we have an occasion called Mawlid. Allah Ta’ala says let them show joyous celebration some among us and the sahaba showed joyous celebration.
Mawlid and its celebration is not a Bidah, the occasion called Mawlid is a Bidah Hasana [good innovation]. So the companions never had an occasion called Mawlid, or Milad but the Mawlid was commemorated
Your elders are blessed to have had RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam in their hearts
I do not think there should be any argument on this issue, as we all know without doubt that only Muslims celebrate this blessed day of Eid-e-Milad-ul-Nabi. It is trail of this world for Muslims that we have aggressive opposition (with their suicide attacks and killing Muslims) on this issue from army of Shaitans who get tormented when see Muslims celebrating and showing happiness on this blessed day.
It is obvious, as Iblees, kuffars, non-Muslims and all who get upset, rather get tormented, on birth of Prophet (SAW), would never like to see Muslims celebrate this occasion (Eid-e-Milad-ul-Nabi) and would do everything to stop that. They do all sort of propaganda and fight Muslims against Eid-e-Milad-ul-Nabi with their speeches, pens, guns and even life (suicide bombing). But one should not care.
Well, there are also people who do not celebrate Eid-e-Milad-ul-Nabi nor show any concern, like Hindus, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Atheists, etc … as for them, they are neither Muslim nor care about what Muslims do. They do not get upset when they see Muslims celebrate and show happiness on this day (Eid-e-Milad-ul-Nabi). So, there is nothing to worry about them too.
On the other hand, we also have number of people who claim they are Muslims but show no concern of this day for whatever reasons, could be that they are deeply involved in their day to day worldly life and have no time, or they could be indifferent about blessing Allah sent to people of this world in the form of last Prophet (SAW). Whatever the reason, as long as they are not bothering Muslims celebrating and showing happiness on this occasion, one should not be concerned about them too.
As for validity of Eie-e-Milad-ul-Nabi, even though I have no interest to prove it to anyone, nor there is any need for it, but fact is that:
1: Quran ordered Muslims to celebrate the day with feast.
2: Prophet (SAW) used to celebrate his birthday.
Actually, I have already showed that in my various past posts on this forum, but I know that it does not matter to anyone, so why bother.
That’s interesting. What verses order us to celebrate the birthday? What is the evidence he celebrated his own birthday? Then birthday cakes aren’t haraam after all and we can celebrate our birthdays too.
Psyah love is different for mom and Allah and his messenger. Love for messenger is more about loving the message and the role model he was and trying to learn to be a better person from him, like one is fond of a good teacher at school.
But if it’s choosing listening to naats vs getting up and going to work so I can pay my mom’s bills and take care of her, then as a firm sensible muslim I choose the latter. I see no evidence and in fact contrary evidence that Muhammad SAW wanted to be worshipped. Love as in respect and take him as a trusted guide and teacher, NOT worship!
There should be a lot of arguments, as only Muslims of Indo-Pak (that also only a percentage of it) celebrate Eid-e-Milad-ul-Nabi, unless of course like some other posters, you also think that only that group of Indo Pak are real Muslims and everyone other Kalma-go in the world is a Kaafir aka Wahabi
Brother it is not my way to quote Quran and Hadith without knowing why i am quoting. This can be appreciated by looking at the views of the people i will be quoting for. For example i consider these people who are anti Mawlid as deviants but to tell you the truth they do not have a uniform reason for rejection of Mawlid. So one guy will have negative thoughts about ‘‘Birthdays’’ another will have negative thoughts about celebrations all together, another just hates the poor people who celebrate without ‘‘looking cool’’, another will hate the people who do Mawlid full stop hate them. The biggest factor they all share is loyalty to a sect that does not commemorate Mawlid, and this is uniting factor
so when you quote one Evidence, one person may go quiet. The other will pop up and deny the evidence. They do not have principled concept of correcting each other, so when one denies the Honouring of a day due to Birthday, and you quote the evidence for that, he go quiet for a few minutes and another one will pop up and say something else. All in all they will walk away refuted but by having different people deny or acknowledge different thing they will walk away with their desires as their Lord
Common objections that are found in them at forums level is that remembering ‘‘Birthdays’’ are bad - the reality of this khawarij objection on Mawlid is kufr (in my opinion only - the ahlus sunnah might disagree with my extremism)
Any way the proof for commemorating/remembering Birthdays, among many others, is:
**Proof # ** 1 The Holy Prophet commemorated his own Mawlid by Fasting
Syedna Qatadah Al-Ansaari
narrated that the Prophet
was asked about fasting on Monday and he replied: “It is the day on which I was born and on which I received the Divine Revelation”. ( Muslim)
This hadeeth is clear evidence of the importance of the commemoration of the Holy Prophet’s
*** birthday through worship. And Allah the Supreme has commanded in the Holy Qur’an to follow his example – “Indeed following the Noble Messenger of Allah is better for you – for one who is confident of Allah and the Last Day, and remembers Allah much. [Surah Ahzab 33:21]***
***It is also important to note that the Holy Prophet ***
*** fixed a certain day, every week, for offering this gratitude. He did this for other matters also e.g. visiting Quba Mosque, visiting martyrs’ graves at Uhud, etc. So if Muslims “fix” a certain day, this too is part of Sunnah. Al-Hafiz ibn Rajab al-Hanbali, in his book Lataif al-maarif, explaining this hadeeth of Muslim said, “It is good to fast on the days that Allah honoured and favoured his servants.”***
Another common objection is there is no proof for celebration to be allowed: Proof #8
O mankind! The advice has come to you from your Lord and a cure for the hearts - and guidance and mercy for believers. Say, “Upon Allah’s munificence and upon His mercy - upon these should the people rejoice”; this is better than all the wealth they hoard. [Surah Yunus 10:57-58]
This verse clearly states that REJOICING upon the favours and mercy from Allah is better that all worldly goods. And there is no doubt that the Holy Prophet is (a) A great favour from Allah and (b) Allah’s Mercy towards the entire world. This general permission from Allah applies to all His favours.
finally the people who celebrate Mawlid among them are people away from deen:
The answer to this is that even Kafirs are REWARDED for acts of appreciation of Mawlid un Nabi SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam:
…'Urwa said, “Thuwayba was the freed slave of Abu Lahab. Abu Lahab set her free and she suckled the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace . When Abu Lahab died, one of his relatives saw Abu Lahab in a dream in a very bad state and asked him, ‘What have you encountered?’ Abu Lahab said, 'I did not find any rest after you except that I am given this amount to drink on account of my setting Thuwayba free.” [sahih bukhari]
^he is given water to drink every monday for his celebration of Mawlid
I will however link to proofs, again this is not written in order of proving Mawlid with the most heavy proofs first but it is written as meant to be read completely. So within it you will have proofs for their individual objections that are common and silly, although knowing about other proofs not contained here would be a big help
The day of birth of Prophet Isa Alaihis Salam is honoured in Islam by its mention in the Quran. Other wise it would be permissible as far as i know to have days mentioning for the celebration/commemoration of our Prophets, as we do for our Awliya but we must be careful of not becoming a part of other religions.
Interestingly christmas is not mentioned in any of our early sources or by early scholars. Not everyone is even believing that it came before Mawlid of RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam! there exists some western websites which claim otherwise but their testimony is suspicious/not acceptable. This point i am only telling as a point of interest it actually has no bearing on Mawlid because the proofs for Mawlid are established from Islam.
Mawlid can be done any day of the year. We should not limit it to any one day, although many people focus on 12th of Rabi Al awal. As long as the community holds its gatherings over a few days and weeks or even more everything is A1 fine. The objection you saw earlier with regards to date was really sinister and ignorant of islam. One of the points of that was to make a case for stopping it on the 12th but he really wanted it stopped full stop
Yeah I sort of agree … Listening to naats and not harbouring intense love for RasoolAllah (SAW), then those Naats are of no benefit. Going to work to pay mum’s bill is good no doubt … But RasoolAllah (SAW) has to be much more than a teacher or guide … He has to be our article of fascination … Our hero.
Our Hadith tells us to increase our love and praises for him, but never do they say curb them … Although we do not worship him … There is a big difference between that love and worship.
Playing Naats that are composed by using bollywood tunes, on loudspeakers, with a total disregard of the comfort of any sick person in the neighbor hood - holding traffic for the jalsay juloos - and doing hateful speeches against the people who oppose Eid Miladun Nabi is the correct way of following the teachings of Prophet . Keep it up people.:k:
It is misinformation to say that Eid-e-Milad-ul-Nabi is only celebrated by Muslims of Indo-Pakistan. Truth is that, Eid-e-Milad-ul-Nabi is celebrated by Muslims allover the world wherever they are. In Muslim countries, Muslims celebrate Eid-e-Milad-ul-Nabi from Morocco to Indonesia, from Kazakhstan to Yemen. As for world, Muslims celebrate Eid-e-Milad-ul-Nabi wherever Muslims are present, from USA to China,From Russia to Australia.
I did not say that those who celebrate Eid-e-Milad-ul-Nabi are only Muslims and rest are Kaafir, Wahabi, Kharjees, etc. I divided mankind into 4 groups.
One can choose their pick. Groups I mentioned are:
1: Muslims who consider Prophet (SAW) as blessing of Allah, day Prophet (SAW) born as day of blessing from Allah, and these Muslims celebrate blessing and the day of blessing from Allah as Eid-e-Milad-ul-Nabi.
2: Humans(and animals) who feel sad and tormented when they see people celebrating the day of blessing from Allah, and thus fight with whatever resources they have, voices, misinformation, propaganda, speeches, publications, pens, guns, knives (cutting throats of Muslims) or even with their lives (suicide bombings), so that this celebration of Muslims should stop.
3: People,mostly non-Muslims, who are indifferent of the occasion (Eid-e-Milad-ul-Nabi) because they damn care about Islam or what Muslims celebrate.
4: Muslims who damn care about the blessing Allah gave to mankind, especially to Muslims in the form of prophet (SAW), as they are too busy in their life problems and interests, are ignorant, or have no time for celebrations.
What are you on about Eid Milad un Nabi Has a Holiday attached to it in most Muslim countries.
The celebration has been something the Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah have had Ijma on. This is one of the reasons why i say those who totally forbid are deviants. You represent a splinter group
You have been indoctrinated to attack those known as Barelvis but if you believe it is only a Barelvi belief you have been running amok for your shaykhs they have deceived you. Its suits or it suited the period we are moving away from that people like yourself be programmed to run amok calling MILAD Shareef a Bidah as well as many other subjects that you agree with the salafis on.!
You mentioned KAAFIR - you know who the only people I have seen make takfir on the denial of Milad is?
dude you dont even know you have been pulled this way and that way according to wahabi desires.
Brother TLK … I know that there is no need for argument, as two forces would keep opposing each other until day of judgement. One group would be those who love Prophet (SAW) and would keep remembering Prophet (SAW) and celebrating Eid-e-Milad-ul-Nabi at any cost (even at the cost of their lives) … and other group who would call themselves Muslim but would be playing the role of Iblees-army attacking those celebrating birth of Prophet (SAW) as such celebration and remembrance torment Iblees. Any argument, explanation, reference, discussion, or even Quranic ayahs would make no difference.
Nevertheless, I tried to explain the issue a year ago on this forum knowing that same issue would crop up again a year later. Since issue is same, I am posting here the link to last year discussion or explanation on the issue. In the posts on that thread, I covered the validity of Eid-e-Milad-ul-Nabi from Quran as well as act of Prophet (SAW).
If you are concerned about the issue, please read the thread posts carefully and you will understand everything, but then, after reading the posts on that thread (all relevant posts), if you still find anything ambiguous, complicated or unclear, please be free to question. I will try my best to clear the matter (according to my understanding and ability).
Islam confirms more virtues for Isa Alaihis Salam then christians do
Isa Alaihis Salam:
Was made from ‘Kun’ [Be] of Allah Ta’ala
Was Born without a Father
Is Ruhullah A spirit from Allah Ta’ala
Has made creation with his Hands
Brought the dead back to life
Spoke as a Child in the cradle
Is not dead
Will come back to earth to kill the dajjal
And much much more of what Islam confirms for Him peace be upon Him and His Mother. None of this is exaggeration, yet the link between a Prophet who is Blessed with such miracles at His Hands has been made by Christians that He Naudhubillah is god. This is their disbelief
The only reason Isa Alaihis Salam and other Prophets were blessed with Miracles were because religion was being readied for the arrival of RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam. Meaning every one of those Miracles was the Miracle of RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam!
This is the Rank of Rehmatul Lil Alameen, and Sayyidul Anbiya. So to say He SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam was a Slave means the rank of a Slave of Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala is Exalted. This hadith teaches us Slave is better then to say someone is god which is Shirk, Messenger is explanation of the Great Qualities [The Representative of Allah]
We are to narrate the Life of RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam, the night of Miraj for which we do have gatherings annually, as well as Mawlid
The interpretation of the Hadith is not accepted as you want to present it
This is my opinion on the matter
As for your second Hadith look into the Bidah debate for interpretation in the context of the whole religion. Taking certain narrations and over applying them is falsehood. We will deviate over time no matter what happens.
I don’t think there should be much opposition to celebrating and remembering the most important person in Islam.
I would agree that some people go overboard in such celebrations. Some even do that just to get on the nerves of those who oppose such celebrations. They should be vehemently discouraged.
. Keep it up people.:k: