Re: Eid milad un nabi is biddat - Saudi mufti
Ok page 2 now i will have to go soon. I will be back In Sha Allah but time is limited till mid next week
I’ll maintain any one who outright forbids Mawlid is a bidatti [meaning deviant]. It is a Bidah to outright forbid Mawlid
Re: Eid milad un nabi is biddat - Saudi mufti
Do not exaggerate about me as the Christians exaggerated about the son of Maryam. I am only a slave, so say, ‘The slave of Allaah and His Messenger.’” (Reported by al-Bukhaari).
“The best of speech is the Book of Allaah, and the best of guidance is the guidance of Muhammad. The most evil of things are those which are newly-invented (in religion), and every innovation is a going astray.” (Reported by Muslim and al-Nisaa’i).
Re: Eid milad un nabi is biddat - Saudi mufti
I ran out of time for today, if your the one making the claim that it is forbidden, and you only follow Quran and Hadith, surely you know all the evidences? ..NO?
I’ll produce evidences when i need to, or when i want, or simply to refute you
Re: Eid milad un nabi is biddat - Saudi mufti
Please quote from Quran and Hadith books to prove that they did celebrate the day. Saying that they did without providing any proof is not helping. If we take out the context of the birth of Jesus (the day when he came to the world), isn’t the celebration itself similar for both events (many people dispute the date for the prophet’s 
Birth too.
Re: Eid milad un nabi is biddat - Saudi mufti
Depends on if the hadith you pick are authentic- and I have done my research prior to this discussion.Alhuaalim
Re: Eid milad un nabi is biddat - Saudi mufti
Isa Alaihis Salam has more virtues in Islam, In Islam he even made creation with his hands. Erm more on this hadith later, this does not mean do not highlight the virtues of RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam…to be continued
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There are a number of websites with evidence against the date. Here is one I have pasted:
Re: Eid milad un nabi is biddat - Saudi mufti
Indeed the blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) did fast to commemorate His Blessed Birth on Mondays - Never on 12th Rabi Awal
So to follow his Sunnah is to fast on Mondays ONLY.
Those who love to feast will not fast.
Re: Eid milad un nabi is biddat - Saudi mufti
It is the opinion of those who celebrate mawlid … That it is not bid’a, because the concept of celebrating the birth of the Mercy of the Worlds (SAW) cannot be anything but sheer love … And it is fard to love RasoolAllah (SAW) more than ourselves … Rather we will only experience the sweetness of Islam when that condition occupies our hearts.
and who can truly say they are not ‘celebrating’ the birth of RasoolAllah (SAW) everyday? It is the most worthy thing to be celebrating. If the birthday of RasoolAllah (SAW) is not allowed, then please do not celebrate anyone else’s birthday … Because then you are appointing their birthdays as more worthy of celebration … And that is wrong. No Christmas … No anniversaries and no national days and no mother’s days or father’ days and no personal birthdays of your sons and daughters … If celebrating birthday of RasoolAllah (SAW) is bid’a then it is so for all of these occasions too, rather to do so is declaration that you do not love RasoolAllah (SAW) as much …
It is the position of those who celebrate mawlid that … It is enough to take the concept that RasoolAllah (SAW) celebrating his own blessed birth, by fasting on Mondays as an acceptance to celebrate his birth on the date of our choosing … Just like people celebrate a national day of their choosing. Mawlid can and is celebrated all year round … The criticism of it being wrong for this date itself needs to have evidence why it is wrong for this date when it is okay to do it on Mondays. There are some who fast Mondays for this very reason … But they don’t have to limit it to Mondays if there is no restriction. Simply by giving a date does not change something from the category of Sunnah to bid’a, unless it is believed that the celebration on that date itself is part of the Sunnah.
Yes, to say mawlid celebration is Sunnah in the way it is celebrated today is a bid’a, but to say it is ja’iz based on the ijtihad of a valid Sunnah (Monday fast) then that is not bid’a. It is a valid ruling.
I have personally experienced attendance of these events and there is no negative vibe … Some things may appear unfamiliar, but all in all it is an environment where intense love is generated for RasoolAllah (SAW) and that can never be harmful.
For those who wish to condemn this practice look at their own lives and see what it lacks in practice … If done seriously, they will see many aspects of religion will be taking second place. Make those first place then may be there is no need to celebrate this event … Because making them first place is truly a sign of loving RasoolAllah (SAW), but if the love is not coming in … To allow us to appoint all those things to first place then we need the inner dimensions to be lifted … We need to inculcate that love. We are brought mentally and emotionally closer to RasoolAllah (SAW) in these events … I am proof because I personally experienced it … And there is no text in a book that can trump real experience as long as what is being done is within Shar’iah.
And lastly, why is this topic regurgitated every year? And it seems the arguments for or against never seem to be enough … A shaykh once said, it is easier to shift a mountain with ones nails than it is to change the heart of a man … It seems the same arguments will never be enough for the people who have heard the arguments year in and year out … I changed myself to accept what I needed to accept … It’s no great feat … We are Muslim we submit to truth that is what we are supposed to do. Then why the same old arguments every year?
Chalo jee..our nation always manages to find something to argue about every year same day. How creative and constructive ! We decide to bypass quran and authentic hadiths books and interpret&follow other “aalim’s” books and then come on online forums randomly to declare fatway to label others biddati and what not because they dont follow our/a certain sect WE approve of? Nonsense !
Next will be calling saudi mufti-azam (a man Allah chose to lead hajj of millions every year for many years and to be in the place of a mufti at His house) blasphemous ? We need to get our brains cured. Pata nai kahan baith kay jis marzi ko moonh utha kay ghalat keh daitay hain.
P.S. I belong to no sect at all and follow quraan, authentic sunnah/hadith and my brain for interpretation and research of the above.
Re: Eid milad un nabi is biddat - Saudi mufti
How do we establish what is allowed in Islam and what is not when we don’t agree on what Islam is? I mean if I am arguing with someone about the physical/chemical properties of something, we’l test our claims and the results of the test will be used to validate the claims. Problem solved: ‘undeniable truth’ is out. Moving to religion and religious claims, how do we validate claims? I think we get as far as referring to some religious text which is again open to so many interpretations. So if we don’t have a process through which we can find the ‘truth’, why give an impression as if we are on a mission to find it. Let us accept it. We all have different beliefs. That’s it.
P.S. I have never celebrated any Milaad.
Re: Eid milad un nabi is biddat - Saudi mufti
Peace MangoMan
Everything you find for validation and truth claims in other domains are also present in religion. To explain … In order to debate any topic be it the chemical properties of a substance or not and in order to validate it we need to have in place certain things:
In order to refute the argument we need to do so
It is easy … And these rules are universal for all things scientific or religious … If we don’t agree on what Islam is as you say then before we deal with ijtehad we should be addressing the definition of Islam first. When there is commonality there then you go further and further … To present ‘empirical scientific evidence’ as truth and anything else unable to reach similar ends is flawed. We have logical tools that can help us reach similar ends with concepts as we do with scientific findings.
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A question to all people who do not celebrate Mawlid (be warned it is an abrasive question) … What can you introspect in your lives to suggest that you are in love with RasoolAllah (SAW) more than anything, even your own mothers or yourself? If you reach the conclusion that your love is deficient … what do you do to ensure your level of love increases for RasoolAllah (SAW) in the way it is supposed to manifest on your heart?
A sure sign for love of RasoolAllah (SAW) is that people start to exhibit some of his (SAW) behaviour … Can you love those who you feel are wrong and offer them guidance through love and concern rather than hate and distance? If not, what is being done to build these values in your heart? You need not reply here, this is a personal exercise.
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People talk about loving the Prophet( SAW) or Loving Ali (R) or Loving so and so.
How is that different than worship?
How does that become different from Christians and their “love” for Jesus?
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Wait am I supposed to “love” Rasullulah (SAW) more than my mother? Am I supposed to love him more than Allah? I thought we love Allah and worship him, beause He is God? And he doesn’t have partners right, so what is the boundary between commemorrating his work on earth and remembering his teachings. vs. worshipping him??
Why can’t people just keep it simple. Read the Quran. Worship Allah. Rasullullah SAW did not create you, nor will he be judging you on the day of judgement. He didn’t want to be worshipped, to the point that he did not have anyone write his “hadith” down when he was alive. He had people write down ayahs from revelations.
Please quote the source from shariah before giving this detailed fatwa.
Going out hooting on the streets with green clothes on, holding slogans and flags with prophet (saw) name and green gumbad on them only to find them in streets later, singing naats to indian tunes all night on loud speakers,conducting special tv shows with dolled up women on channels, distributing niaz and mannat is no way something shariah told us to do. The whole world is biddati and these few groups/sects in Pakistan/India are jannati because they do bhangray dhamaal on streets on “mawlid”, a date/day no one is sure of. Yeah right.
Re: Eid milad un nabi is biddat - Saudi mufti
Peace Sister PCG
Please provide for me the explanation of this verse:
Surah 9 Verse 24
Surat At-Tawbah [9:24] - The Noble Qur’an - ??? ???
Say, [O Muhammad], “If your fathers, your sons, your brothers, your wives, your relatives, wealth which you have obtained, commerce wherein you fear decline, and dwellings with which you are pleased are more beloved to you than Allah and His Messenger and jihad in His cause, then wait until Allah executes His command. And Allah does not guide the defiantly disobedient people.”
And this hadith:
Narated By 'Abdullah bin Hisham : We were with the Prophet and he was holding the hand of 'Umar bin Al-Khattab. 'Umar said to Him, “O Allah’s Apostle! You are dearer to me than everything except my own self.” The Prophet said,“No, by Him in Whose Hand my soul is, (you will not have complete faith) till I am dearer to you than your own self.” Then 'Umar said to him, “However, now, by Allah, you are dearer to me than my own self.” The Prophet said, “Now, O 'Umar, (now you are a believer).”
Reference
►Bukhari Volume 008, Book 078, Hadith Number 628.
(http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/078-sbt.php)
You are not required to love RasoolAllah (SAW) more than Allah (SWT). The love for Allah (SWT) must also be more than all things … some people choose not to distinguish the amount of love between loving RasoolAllah (SAW) and Allah (SWT), but I feel it is safer to say that after Allah (SWT) you must love no one more than RasoolAllah (SAW). Yes, even the mother …
This is a basic fundamental aspect of Islam …
Re: Eid milad un nabi is biddat - Saudi mufti
So if it is that easy to refute arguments in religion, why is it that there are so many sects in a single religion. Leave people like me aside, I am talking about differences in the opinions of the so called ‘learned religious scholars’. It it is that straight forward to refute arguments, why don’t they agree on ‘one’ Islam and discard all the other versions based on the undeniably convincing arguments for or against certain beliefs? Why is it that nobody in the world disputes claims about Amir Khan’s height but ‘learned religious scholars’ do not agree on things like Milaad? When the instruments required for validating arguments are not there, why argue? Where will you end up, if not in getting BPs high?
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Let the people who do it as they feel spiritual healing in that - as used to do all my elders - I used to see so many elderly people with tears in Friday durood o salam in the masjid - if they are wrong they would be sent to hell by Allah - who we are the hell to decide that they are all bidati jahnumi. And people who decide not to do it - they are fine as well.
If it came after 300 years, it was indeed inevitable as the number of conversion increased and it was inevitable that the local influences assimilate into Islam. And so many new things came in.
Re: Eid milad un nabi is biddat - Saudi mufti
Peace MangoMan
Islam and living one’s life is not the same as measuring the height of a person. Islam is more like a system in calibration. Difference of opinion is actually a blessing. If there were no differences then the path would be a tight rope, but difference allows the path to be wide and walked on without fear of falling out of the boundaries. Of course there are boundaries but what you ask for - Just one interpretation - will actually be a noose for most Muslims and they will not be able to cope with the rigour of it.
Difference of opinion is however abused by the people who think there should only be one way … they all want it to be their way and they create discord. But just as much discord is present to say that they are all wrong …
In religion there is often no right or wrong answer, but good things to do and bad things to do and better things and worse things. I can’t think of any example where measuring the height of a person can be seen as being good or bad, better or worse - it is simply a fact. Religion is not a set of facts … It is a under-pinned by sincerity and there are facts present, then there are wisdoms, acceptable limits and displays of excellence.
There are people who reject hadith except a few and there are those who do not reject them - their criteria for choosing as they choose should be based on some valid basis - but that basis may not be the basis for someone else … because the interpretation is being undertaken through the prism of a different mind.
It is important to have authority to make and follow interpretations … otherwise it is required to follow one of the available interpretations that have been made by people in authority …
Difference of opinion also exists in seemingly discrete black and white sciences too … and for sure philosophy has many differences and each viewpoint can provide something useful … We are in need maturation to work with differences we are not in need of making religion a computational one-to-one relationship of text to understanding.