Eid Milad un Nabi Festivities

[muqawwee123]

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@TLK

I give you two answers.

For a personality who is labeled as rehmatulil alameen, a person who is blessings for all the worlds from beginning till the end - his day of appearnce in this world is no longer significant in the greater scheme of things, but the fact that he was sent to us. Do you see his impact or his influence any less if he was born in 7th century instead of 6th? So why 12th rabiul awwal should be treated any different than 16th of Safar or any other day?

When Hazrat Umar saw the need of having a Islamic calendar, he checked with his counselors about the event that should be the start of that calendar. People suggested the year of battle of badar, the year of death of prophet, the year of start of prophethood and many, and later concluded that the most significant date in Islam is nothing but the event of hijrat, so that should be the first year of the Islamic calendar. It amazes me that sahaba who were ready to die for prophet, did not count his date of birth as the most significant and blessed day for Muslims, but 1400 years later, we are trying to prove it as a significant day (without even knowing if 12th rabiul awwal is indeed a correct date or not)

My point is first of all for use of word Eid, which has been made controversial for nothing, as we all know that its not celebrated like normal Eids. No Eid prayers, no gathering for Khutba.

Sahaba might have discussed to make Prophets birth as start of Hejri calendar (who knows?), but if they chose event of migration that doesn’t mean that birth of the Prophet was not a significant event for them.

[mirage]

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@rosedreams

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=805755029450072

tauba… worst celebration ever!

This is sick.and shameful. But you see you cannot blame a layman for this. I doubt if the video.is genuine really and even.if itbis, its the school.management. A common man, for bearing.the beloved prophet sal Allah o aleh wassalam’s love cannot be compared or equated with this.

I liked the example about mujra girls on eid events by mqawi. Bad sheep are every where. Sensible lot shouldnt confuse them with those of pure intentions.

I.dont.know.what was shaitan’s problem that he refused to bow in front of Hazrat Adam as. Superiority complex, pride maybe?
Not necessarily every muslim, or sunni as a matter if.fact, if celebrates eid milad.unnabi.or hosts a mehfil.e milad is a biddati or.mushrik.
Not necessrily every muslim who visits the shrines of the auliya ullah goes.there to do sajda and etc.
Almost all of Auliya ullah had one thing in comon i.e. They loved the beloved prophet. Sal Allah o.aleh wassalam. Now how Allah is going to.view that love is between Him and them.
I dont want to term the attitude of those who think everyone else’s faith is imperfect as. Pride or superiority complex. But I am just not so sure what else to call it.

[S_Punk]

I think when someone visits a shrine or such as mirage suggested…yes their intention may be pure. But once these things start…it’s kind of like a slippery slope. It can become something entirely shirk-y (visiting shrines to ask for something etc). It is best to avoid that which can lead to shirk. Celebrating the Prophet’s birth may be seen as an act of love in the subcontinent…but the Christians did the same and ended up making Hazrat Isa (as) the son of God (nauzubillah). I think that is why these things are generally told be avoided as much as possible..even thoughh intent might be pure.

[khattichic]

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There is a reason why alcohol and intoxicants are haram in Islam, right? They lead people to lose their inhibitions and react in ways that are forbidden. One sip leads to two..which leads to many more and before you know it, the person is drunk, so we are told to stay away from something which is tempting and harmful.

I view these “side practices” in much the same way. It’s very easy to get swept away and jazbaati in religion and devotion as well. One thing leads to another. When you surround yourself in an environment where passionate devotion is taken a wrong turn, such as the worship that takes place at shrines and mazaars, where people are bowing down at graves and what not, it’s easy to get swept away in the fervor. It’s no less intoxicating, that ardent love for Allah and The Prophet, PBUH.

I know that not everyone does it, but once a person start practicing these things, it’s easy to go down that path. I’ve seen it with many family members. One of my uncles became a follower of Tahir ul Qadri, and the Minhaj ul Quran movement. He takes ziyaarats to dargahs all over India and Pakistan, making mannats and what not…I actually saw him, with my own eyes, bow down at the graves of his parents and my mother (they are all buried in the same graveyard) after offering fatiha. I literally was stopped dead in my tracks, it was so odd.

I think it was psyah bhai who said in another thread a few days ago, just because someone doesn’t believe in marking the occasion of Eid Milad un Nabi, doesn’t mean they don’t have love for the Beloved Prophet SAWS or are prideful with a superiority complex…that’s a very odd logic. Allah can still view that love and devotion every other day of the year. Does it really have to be exalted to holiday status? :hmmm

In the end, Allah SWT knows best. As the saying goes, I’m not going to judge someone who sins differently than I do. I guess we all have our own ways of showing love for the Prophet PBUH. I choose do it by trying to live an honest and humble life everyday, others feel the need to celebrate 12 Rabi ul Awwal. To each his own.

[khattichic]

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@S_Punk

I think when someone visits a shrine or such as mirage suggested…yes their intention may be pure. But once these things start…it’s kind of like a slippery slope. It can become something entirely shirk-y (visiting shrines to ask for something etc). It is best to avoid that which can lead to shirk. Celebrating the Prophet’s birth may be seen as an act of love in the subcontinent…but the Christians did the same and ended up making Hazrat Isa (as) the son of God (nauzubillah). I think that is why these things are generally told be avoided as much as possible..even thoughh intent might be pure.

My point exactly…you beat me to it lol!

[mirage]

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@mirage

I dont want to term the attitude of those who think everyone else’s faith is imperfect as. Pride or superiority complex. But I am just not so sure what else to call it.

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[TLK]

@S_Punk:9891235

I think when someone visits a shrine or such as mirage suggested…yes their intention may be pure. But once these things start…it’s kind of like a slippery slope. It can become something entirely shirk-y (visiting shrines to ask for something etc). It is best to avoid that which can lead to shirk. Celebrating the Prophet’s birth may be seen as an act of love in the subcontinent…but the Christians did the same and ended up making Hazrat Isa (as) the son of God (nauzubillah). I think that is why these things are generally told be avoided as much as possible..even thoughh intent might be pure.

I agree. My philosophy of safe practice of Islam is, if Allah or his Rasool did not ask for it, don’t do it, period, no matter how good it seems.

A good support of what i said is from that famous Hadees where three young guys visited Hazrat Aisha and promised certain deeds that were above and beyond the call of duty as a Muslim. They left, but when prophet heard about those commitments, he called those guys over and asked them to refrain from making such commitments that are not required in Islam. It’s a long hadees that we can talk about some other time.

[vroom]

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@Reha

It is considered too much.

Our Prophet (SA) was the most loved and beloved by Allah swt. He was our example…a man who’s life was meant to followed as a Muslim.

Respect and love are one thing…but to revere and worship…that is only for Allah swt. There is only one God, isn’t there? No one else is to be put even close to his position.

I don’t disagree with Milad Un Nabi. I find it to be a beautiful occasion which should be full of the mention of our Prophet (SA), his life, his work and his message. But I don’t consider it “Eid” though because as far as I know there are only two Eids in Islam. There’s never been any other mention of another “Eid” and we’re wrong to call it that. I don’t think anyone can even deny this.

I’ve been to meelads where my mom was invited: there are stages setup (think of a shaadi stage, velvet chairs and everything), lights, flowers, phoolon ke haar put upon her, gifts given to her, money offered for her reading, on the men’s side there was a procession to lead the male naatkhwaan in to the banquet hall complete with duff playing, etc.

It was extremely uncomfortable. My mom refused to take anything but OMG was it awkward and not the only times its happened. That is NOT a milad…that is not the simplicity with which we are shown we can worship our Allah. If there is no water, you’re allowed to do wudu using dust (tayammum)…to allow us to be close to Allah in the most simplest way possible. How can this be right?

Its not.

And for those who are about to start squealing about Thanksgiving and Xmas and all that jazz. Thanksgiving has not been declared Turkey Eid (nauzubillah), celebrated by holding hands around the table and praying like white people do, going to midnight Mass for Xmas, etc etc etc. No one who has Turkey dinner and Xmas dinner starts beating a drum saying its a part of our faith. We openly acknowledge is NOT in our faith, its a regional/cultural thing and has nothing to do with Islam.

But Eid Milad Un Nabi is considered a part of Islam by many…its harmless in nature and should be used as a day to remember our faith. But not the way I’ve seen desi people do it.

Have you mixed Love and Reverence of RasulAllah peace and blessings upon him with Love and Worship of Allah Subhanahu wa ta’ala? As far as i know reverence is part of what we should give to RasulAllah peace and blessings upon him

you said ‘‘he was loved’’. Or is it he is loved by Allah? this subconscious mistake, if it is one, is actually a sign that you are perhaps away from reflecting upon Allah Subhanhu wa ta’ala. How do you feel if i look upon this as its not RasulAllah that is being put up but your perception of Allah All-Mighty is under-estimated?

you said ‘‘There is only one God, isn’t there? No one else is to be put even close to his position.’’ the other view is nothing gets close to Allah Subhanhu wa ta’ala, even after we have expressed the Love and Reverence for the Prophet peace and blessing upon him and his family that Allah Subhanahu wa ta’ala has commanded us to do in the in his Book. The situation is very similar to how Shaytan refused to make sajda to Adam alaihis salam, if we do not Love and Revere we have refused like Shaytan refused

[Khan4Life]

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@S_Punk

We don’t celebrate it.

I don’t think anyone is trying to degrade anyone else when they say it has no place Islamically…its just…i mean…what’s the difference between eid Milad and Christmas then? I think everyone respects the love people have for our Prophet (pbuh)…but there are other ways to show it… year round…any day…everyday. Also…this is a purely South Asian holiday…my Arab and African friends have never even heard of it.

Because they follow different school of thoughts and most Arabs even in Saudia don’t usually pray Sunnah prayers then what this shows?

[mahool]

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Shan e Mustafa(SAW) karon kiya main biyan
kay nizam e kainat ruk giya, ek mulaqat kay wastay

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[S_Punk]

@Khan4Life:9891355

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We don’t celebrate it.

I don’t think anyone is trying to degrade anyone else when they say it has no place Islamically…its just…i mean…what’s the difference between eid Milad and Christmas then? I think everyone respects the love people have for our Prophet (pbuh)…but there are other ways to show it… year round…any day…everyday. Also…this is a purely South Asian holiday…my Arab and African friends have never even heard of it.

Because they follow different school of thoughts and most Arabs even in Saudia don’t usually pray Sunnah prayers then what this shows?
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I’m pretty sure eid milad is not seen as a celebration in any school of thought (major school of thought, idk about small sects).

[Reha]

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@Khan4Life

Because they follow different school of thoughts and most Arabs even in Saudia don’t usually pray Sunnah prayers then what this shows?

I don’t think that’s true…kahi suni baton pe hamesha yaqeen karna achi baat nahin hai.

[muqawwee123]

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@khattichic

To each his own.

That sums up it all. :k:

Otherwise, no one qualifies the criteria ‘He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her’. We have seen burning of cinema house, Banks in the name of Ishq e Rasool. We have seen bidat of using bidati loudspeakers to chant ‘kafir kafir’ slogan from Masajid against other sects. We have observed killers of thousand being tagged as Shaheed. Sky is the limit when religion is used for exploitation.

[vroom]

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@S_Punk

We don’t celebrate it.

I don’t think anyone is trying to degrade anyone else when they say it has no place Islamically…its just…i mean…what’s the difference between eid Milad and Christmas then? I think everyone respects the love people have for our Prophet (pbuh)…but there are other ways to show it… year round…any day…everyday. Also…this is a purely South Asian holiday…my Arab and African friends have never even heard of it.

Wrong

Milad un Nabi holiday is in every Muslim country yet

That is Because it is something which had Ijma (total agreement) of the Community (Jamaah) and what the community agreed upon is acceptable to Allah Subhanahu wa ta’ala

you are right as people move away from ‘olde worlde’ Islam (suni) the new religions they are formulating will not include Milad Un Nabi

and I testify that they are hypocrites

[vroom]

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@S_Punk

I’m pretty sure eid milad is not seen as a celebration in any school of thought (major school of thought, idk about small sects).

Permissibilty on Milad Un Nabi is the belief of all 4 schools of Islam, it has Ijma (consensus, agreement) on it

whats happened is that the petro dollars are fueling misinformation regarding Islam. If anyone tries to learn Islam online they will meet this ‘IDENTITY THEFT’ version of Islam in the garb of Sunni Islam. they call it tabligh or dawa, some even call it Hidaya when you actually given misinformation designed purely to bring numbers to their creed

An example by Irfan Shah is that a normal woman wears a certain amount of make-up, but transvestites wear loads and loads of make-up, that is because they want to look like a woman, they are not a woman

[muqawwee123]

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For the information of those who consider it a Barelvi (sub-continent thing), this was started in Mosul (Iraq).

[Shamraz_Khan]

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[KKF]

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**ok guys, let’s call it quits here now…we are all now tired of typing and reading this verbal war…let’s fight it out another time…let’s come back next year more refreshed and with more knowledge to verbalkly slaughter each other…Theek hai dosto?

aaiye, haath milaaiye aur ham sab apnii apnii raah naapte haiN! :)**

[muqawwee123]

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@Shamraz_Khan

What points were discussed in the program.. if you can summarize for those who can’t access video.

[Jolie]

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@muqawwee123

For the information of those who consider it a Barelvi (sub-continent thing), this was started in Mosul (Iraq).

You often see so much hate for ‘Barelvies’ on ithe nternet and in real life, especially from people who follow the Saudi style Wahabi doctrine, but how was Ahmad Raza Khan Barelvi as a religious leader? I am under an impression that he made significant contributions towards advancement of Islam in South Asia.