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What does ''covering'' mean here ??
The skin not being visibile?
Re: dupatta-free trend
What does ''covering'' mean here ??
The skin not being visibile?
It should technically mean - body (bosom) shape not evident/visible for which one doesn't necessarily need a dupatta or hijab (loose clothing can do that job) but hijab/dupatta is needed to cover the head (not everyone believes that is fard though).
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Islam doesnt stop us from making judgement on other people either.
Did I hit a nerve? I couldn't care less if "other people" want to walk around nanga, I'm just posting my opinion on the latest fashion trends like everyone else here.
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It should technically mean - body (bosom) shape not evident/visible for which one doesn't necessarily need a dupatta or hijab (loose clothing can do that job) but hijab/dupatta is needed to cover the head (not everyone believes that is fard though).
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so if shape is defined, albeit with covered skin, it ain't kosher??
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. so if shape is defined, albeit with covered skin, it ain't kosher??
According to my understanding no it would not be kosher (not that I'm always kosher so no judgement on anyone).
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"Covering" has a different meaning for different people, and I don't think we need to force our meaning of "covering" down other peoples throats.
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"Covering" has a different meaning for different people, and I don't think we need to force our meaning of "covering" down other peoples throats.
I hope you are not referring to me because I did not force it down anyone's throat. I said according to my understanding and also stated even I don't do it so I'm not here judging anyone.
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I dont think its about men staring at women .. its more for a woman herself to keep her own dignity .. A dupatta is not just a style icon , it stands for covering ones dignity ... Its beyond my understanding that in a bid to copy the western culture and in the name of worthless fashion women would give up a symbol of their dignity .. Whats the next step of this fashion? tighter shirts ? and then smaller AND tighter AND dupataless shirts ... I think its just a small minority who get carried away with these kind of fashion trends, the majority still have strong preference for dupatta ..
smaller and tigher shirts already came and went. the kind girls were wearing with patiala shalwars, for eg.
as for dignity, well your shirt shouldn't be very fitted either to begin with if its a matter of dignity.
i guess i'm in the minority here as dupatta's bug the heck out of me. i can never manage them so if i do have to wear one because my shirt is more fitted rather than the looser, a-line styles in fashion now, i go with a narrower dupatta so i can just pin it to one shoulder and be done with it. managing a toddler and a huge chaadar-style dupatta is ridiculous and unpractical. since i only wear shalwar kameezes when i'm going out somewhere, i'd rather not be struggling in my clothes but instead be comfortable and able to move freely. but that's just me. except for when i'm in pakistan. then i throw on the biggest dupatta i can find and wrap myself in it to avoid the staring. gah! and no, i don't think men here stare the same way they do in pakistan.
i get that sometimes the outfit can look incomplete without a dupatta but that depends on the style of the shirt.
and as for comfort, as other have said, i think if you are comfortable wearing jeans and a shirt and walking around without a dupatta, then simply putting on a shalwar kameez shouldn't change anything. you should still be comfortable with or without a dupatta. whats the difference?
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A top/blouse covers the 'bosoms' just as well as the kameez does doesn't it? "Bosoms" can even be seen through an abaaya.
exactly. and esp the kind the local arabs wear in dubai, for eg. those girls dress so that they're looked at- their abayas are things of beauty, their faces are full of makeup, their hijabs are piled on top of sky high hair do's... i'd rather just wear my loose, a-line kameez with no dupatta and call it a day in the face of all of that, thanks. its all about perspective, as usual.
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covering bosoms = not painting the skin or wearing anything that doesnt show your skin there ! It means the shape of the body should not be revealing.
for me, it is just that if I decide to wear a pakistani dress (modified according to current fashion like shalwar suit/pants with a kurti/sharara dress,etc kaftan is not our thing so wont comment on that ) I need to wear the complete version of it which includes a dupatta, a shirt and a pair of bottoms. Long skirts,pants,maxi dresses or any western attire doesnt need to have a dupatta for obvious reasons !
but what are the obvious reasons? that it doesn't go with the outfit? if you want to cover yourself, you should be covering yourself in eastern or western wear, regardless of whether its according to fashion or the style of the clothes or not.
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This non dupatta trend is like the burning your bra trend. Women equate this to freedom and embracing their womanhood. I feel a dupatta completes and gives class to the garment. I do wear a hijaab and more importantly dress modestly. When I wear salwar kameez I love to drape the dupatta across, to me it makes me feel fashionable yet modest. However, I wouldn't do the sleeveless kameez but think it looks great!
that "trend" was about womens equal rights, (right to vote, divorce etc etc.) Bras back then weren't as comfortable as they are now and guess who made them? Men.
If you read more into the history of it you wouldn't say such an ignorant thing. Comparing a fashion trend to a protest.
If it weren't for those women who were protesting we wouldn't have as many luxuries as we do now. I know the Qur'an says women have many rights but in Pakistan, UAE etc etc do you really think people follow the Qur'an?
For me dupattas would be a nuisance but it would depend on my outfit.
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Oh no, I was hoping to see some picchures of dup-free outfits :(
Khair, It's fun to see the way trends change. A few years ago, the girls were wearing long shirts and capris and dupattas. So they were covering their bosoms but exposing their beautiful legs. Then the shirts got real long and baggy where you couldn't tell if it was a man or woman inside and then the dupattas came off.
AAh. Well.
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No no, I didn't mean you. Just speaking generally. No matter the subject matter, Islam gets brought into it and it becomes a religious debate, whether or not it started out that way. I understand some are more conservative than others, and some are more liberal than others but everytime there is a conversation, whether it is on GS or real life, Islam gets brought into it and all people do is pass judgement on others for both sides. It just erks me, why can't people just let people be these days. ...
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Ya, I wasn't directing my comment at anyone in particular, just in general.
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i m into this trend of wearing kurtis and tights but i do carry a shawl.. feel incomplete without my duppaata. it's just that i feel the need to cover my chest area. and when i wear the normal shalwar khamiz i must hv a duppata even though my khamizes are always not tight.
it doesnt matter if men stare or not. it's a matter of being decent. from a religious point of view, women are supposed to cover their bosoms. however, if the khamiz is loose then i guess it's fine not wear the duppata.
to me covering my bosom would be making sure the shape of that area isnt visible...
anyways, i love my duppattas/shawls. they make me feel safe :D
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calm down guys OP is asking for your personal views n your thoughts....they r talking in general.....chill!
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From a pragmatic point of view ... 3 piece suits are greater value than 2 piece suits ...
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I think culture plays a huge role in defining modesty. In Pakistan in most areas you just can't go out without duppattas no matter how loose your long shirt is....in Morocco, most local women show their shin and no one takes notice as long as you're wearing the traditional robe.
Islamic code of covering will be approved anywhere in the world, even in the West if you take out headscarf and niqab perhaps.
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Let me give you other perspectives as well
In Japan even if you wear short shorts its ok as long as you wear tights. If you want to wear a spaghetti strap dress you better wear a t-shirt underneath it!
Don't even think about exposing so much skin it looks trashy :P oh by the way if you're even a bit over weight don't you dare wear anything that will remotely make you look attractive because honey there aren't any clothes designed for you :P
Australia - Central coast
I get the looking up and down from women not men. (I don't think I saw that many guys to begin with anyway)
Since I lived near the beach the girls there would wear god awful clothes that didn't look good.
Just cut some cloth and sell it in Supré even if it looks really bad girls will wear it.
Now women were more modest at least the ones who didn't go out drinking and such. They looked more classy. I guess unless you were a bogan/chav you won't look like a wanna-be teenager.
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I think culture plays a huge role in defining modesty. In Pakistan in most areas you just can't go out without duppattas no matter how loose your long shirt is....in Morocco, most local women show their shin and no one takes notice as long as you're wearing the traditional robe.
Islamic code of covering will be approved anywhere in the world, even in the West if you take out headscarf and niqab perhaps.
Yeah, a LOT of it is down to culture.. We tend to be fine with arms but not legs and obviously not stomachs, Benglalis are ok with with stomachs and arms but not legs lol.. I have come across sooooo many girls (usually Pakistani + Bangladeshi) attacking other Muslim girls for showing their legs when they also wear sleeveless and don't cover their hair.. It's as tho there's some sort of code where one part of the body which technically shouldn't be on show anyway is still more acceptable than another.. Makes no sense really.. (I'm not in a position to judge what others wear when I don't cover myself)..