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Not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims :halo:
Re: Drone strikes
^ Don't agree with it.
Many terrorists are non-Muslims.
BTW, why do you have this sarcastic face at the end? Did I say something wrong in post no. 26?
Re: “Strong evidence” Pakistan military approved US drone strikes: UN report
If they are denying that they did not collude with US then they need to explain why they did not block those drones, did not take them down, why they allowed US to operate drones from one of the bases within Pakistan. Is there any end to lying?
I think during Mush era, it was officially approved by his government perhaps many times. Since than current CAOS did not resist such attacks hence the drones were continued according to the previous approval. Problem is that Pakistani public was always been misguided and kept them in dark. Had CAOS resisted the drone attacks, he should have ordered shot down as soon it crossed the Pakistani borders.
I think if these drones had done least damage to innocent people, than I think drones should continue to strike the safe havens of 'maut ke saudagar'. These lanti kirdar had killed more innocent people of Pakistan than drones.
Re: “Strong evidence” Pakistan military approved US drone strikes: UN report
just now wathcing kashif abbasi off the record , rauf klasra informing that during the hearing of raymond devis case , our DG ISI suja pasha was sending sms to US embasssador about the status of the case and what actually happening as how raymond is being taken out of jail. this is the height of slavery of our Army top officials. Our jawan no doubt are the greatest soldiers but i really feel sad for them while their beheaded bodies are being kicked by the TTP ppl.
For what cause these brave jawan gave away their lives ???
Pakistan army was nothing but colonial army of British empire. In the fifties, the colonial masters handed over this army to Sam for further nourishing. Since than trillions of dollars have been pumped by Sam to this army. How in the hack do you think that this army at any time go against the real masters? That is the main difference between Indian army and Pakistani army. Indian army works under civilian government, only answerable to government and people of India and interests of India are more important to them as compared to Pakistani army who still rules and over ride the civilian government in key decisions.
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Your sarcastic face should be smiley face instead 
By the way some people here think that All Muslims are terrorists and all terrorists are Muslims.
Re: “Strong evidence” Pakistan military approved US drone strikes: UN report
I think during Mush era, it was officially approved by his government perhaps many times. Since than current CAOS did not resist such attacks hence the drones were continued according to the previous approval. Problem is that Pakistani public was always been misguided and kept them in dark. Had CAOS resisted the drone attacks, he should have ordered shot down as soon it crossed the Pakistani borders.
I can't believe that civilian government was so innocently drinking milk from a bottle and had not idea about drone agreements.
I think if these drones had done least damage to innocent people, than** I think drones should continue** to strike the safe havens of 'maut ke saudagar'. These lanti kirdar had killed more innocent people of Pakistan than drones.
I wonder if you would have same thoughts had anyone been involved from interior Sindh, of course they are not right now so you can easily shrug it off saying "I would have said same thing".
Pakistan army was nothing but colonial army of British empire. In the fifties, the colonial masters handed over this army to Sam for further nourishing. Since than trillions of dollars have been pumped by Sam to this army. How in the hack do you think that this army at any time go against the real masters? That is the main difference between Indian army and Pakistani army. Indian army works under civilian government, only answerable to government and people of India and interests of India are more important to them as compared to Pakistani army who still rules and over ride the civilian government in key decisions.
Its easy to manipulate person of weak character/morals, no wonder its easier for crooks to be elected so they can be easily manipulated/threatened.
Re: “Strong evidence” Pakistan military approved US drone strikes: UN report
The drone attacks are limited to FATA b/c FATA is defacto not under control of Pakistani govt. When you abdicate responsibility for your tribal territories & those regions are infested by global terrorists than you don’t get to complain about why they are being attack.
Pakistan’s Gilani acknowledges possibility of contact with U.S. over planned drone strikes
By Tim Craig
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — A former Pakistani prime minister strongly denied Thursday that he had quietly authorized U.S. drone strikes inside his country, but he didn’t rule out secret deals made without his knowledge.
A day earlier, a Washington Post report detailed how the United States and Pakistan communicated about, and in some cases coordinated, dozens of drone strikes in Pakistan from late 2007 to late 2011. But Yousuf Raza Gilani, who was the country’s prime minister from 2008 to 2012, said it was “totally absurd” to suggest that his government had condoned the attacks.
“During my government, there was no such support given to drone strikes whatsoever,” Gilani said in an interview, adding that he had discussed with President Obama in 2010 “how this strategy with drones was counterproductive and undermining our anti-terror efforts.”
He said he could not rule out that the two nations had communicated about planned drone strikes during his tenure. But if they did, he said, the parties involved would have been the CIA and Pakistan’s Inter-
Services Intelligence agency, under conditions set by Pervez Musharraf, the former military ruler.
“The permission must have been given earlier,” said Gilani, who was also cited in a 2010 WikiLeaks report as being privately supportive of some strikes. “After 9/11, the U.S. rang up Musharraf and said, ‘You are either with us or you are not with us,’ and he said, ‘We are with you.’ ”
In an interview with CNN last year, Musharraf admitted to authorizing “a few” U.S. drone strikes before he stepped down in 2008. Pakistan’s Express Tribune newspaper reported Thursday that a former top-ranking military commander who had served under Musharraf, retired Lt. Gen. Shahid Aziz, is calling for Musharraf to be charged with extrajudicial murder for his role in the drone campaign.
Musharraf is under house arrest in Islamabad on several charges stemming from his autocratic tenure.
But The Post’s report details coordination as recently as 2011, causing some analysts to suspect that Musharraf’s successors also were aware of some U.S. strike targets.
“This puts cold water on the hype,” said Talat Masood, a retired Pakistani general and a military analyst, referring to the public anger in Pakistan over U.S. attacks. “I think people knew it already, but this makes it much more obvious, and the [Pakistani] media and others will have to cool off.”
Pakistan’s current prime minister, Nawaz Sharif, who took office in June, has made stopping the drone campaign a top priority. He raised the issue during a meeting with Obama at the White House on Wednesday. Aizaz Ahmad Chaudhry, a spokesman for the Foreign Ministry, said Thursday that the government remains united in seeking an end to the strikes. “Whatever understandings there may or may not have been in the past, the present government has been very clear regarding its policy on the issue,” Chaudhry said. “We regard such strikes as a violation of our sovereignty as well as international law.”
Saeed Ghani, a Pakistani lawmaker, said he suspects that some U.S. drone strikes did have the tacit approval of government or military leaders here. But he said Sharif and other politicians are under tremendous pressure from the public to stop them.
“There probably was some understanding,” Ghani said. “But it’s now very difficult for political governments to carry on those understandings.”
Re: “Strong evidence” Pakistan military approved US drone strikes: UN report
I don’t think general public particularly in KP, Baluchistan and Sindh has any objection to these drones as long as they are targeting ‘maut ke saudagar’. Only TTP has objection to drones which has always been supported by Ganja Bratheran and IK to these ‘Maut ke saudagar’.
Re: “Strong evidence” Pakistan military approved US drone strikes: UN report
The drone attacks are limited to FATA b/c FATA is defacto not under control of Pakistani govt. When you abdicate responsibility for your tribal territories & those regions are infested by global terrorists than you don't get to complain about why they are being attack.
It was a hypothetical question but you are stuck in FATA so you are not going to get it.
Re: “Strong evidence” Pakistan military approved US drone strikes: UN report
khoda paharh nikla chooha:) Instead of pursuing SAM to stop drones, NS was chargesheeted for his inaction in Bombay killings. His response was not mentioned and it looks it was a surprise for him, and not prepared for it. yeh to lenay ke denay parh gaiay:)
See how ganja is telling lies to the public about Dr. Aafia Siddiqui. The issue was never came under discussions.
**I wonder what was the purpose of this useless visit and spending thousands and millions of foreign exchange of poor country? In another thread it was perhaps rightly pointed out that Ganja took the list for appointing next CAOS to get Sams approval.
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Why Pakistan not trying Mumbai suspects, Obama asks Sharif - DAWN.COM
WASHINGTON: US President Barack Obama has asked Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif why Pakistan had not yet started the trial of suspected Mumbai attackers.
The prime minister revealed this while talking to the media before leaving Washington after a four-day visit to the United States.
On Wednesday, Mr Sharif had a two-hour long meeting with Mr Obama, which covered all issues of mutual concern.
“He (Obama) asked, why the trial of the (Mumbai) terrorist attack in India has not started yet,” Mr Sharif said.
During the meeting, the US president also raised the issue of Jamaat-ud-Dawa, cross-border terrorism and Dr Shakil Afridi, the Pakistani doctor who helped the CIA track down Osama bin Laden and has been in prison since then.
“He (Obama) has raised the issue of (Dr Shakil) Afridi. He spoke about cross-border movement. He also talked about Jamaat-ud-Dawa,” the prime minister said, without giving details.
“Pakistan has to put its house in order — we have to do that — we will fulfill the responsibility entrusted to us by the people of Pakistan,” said Mr Sharif while responding to US concern on this issue.
(to phir America kyon gaaiay the? mufte ka ser sappate ke lieay)
“Economic and energy cooperation, education, extremism issue, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan-India relations and the Kashmir dispute, the drone issue and the matter of jailed Pakistani scientist Dr Aafia Siddiqui” were the issues he discussed with Mr Obama, the prime minister said. (A lie, read the follwoing news item)
Dr Aafia should not be linked to Shakil Afridi: Foreign Office – The Express Tribune/
Royce said, “I specifically pressed the prime minister to release Dr Shakil Afridi and encouraged him to ensure that his nation is in fact a responsible and effective partner in countering terrorism, proliferation and violent extremism in the region.”
http://news.yahoo.com/u-tells-pak-dr-aafia-case-not-open-060600998.html
U.S. tells Pak Dr. Aafia case not open to discussion
One official said that Siddiqui case was not discussed in the meetings between the leaders, but Dr Afridi issue was raised in several meetings.
Re: “Strong evidence” Pakistan military approved US drone strikes: UN report
*I wonder what was the purpose of this useless visit and spending thousands and millions of foreign exchange of poor country? In another thread it was perhaps rightly pointed out that Ganja took the list for appointing next CAOS to get Sams approval.
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I wish you had shown same concern when his predecessors were smoking public money for their useless visits.
Re: “Strong evidence” Pakistan military approved US drone strikes: UN report
Half of Afghanistan is not under NATO control, does that mean that Pakistan can bomb Afghanistan? International law means little when deal with biased agendas based on propaganda.
I love the blatant lies in the WP article. Gilani stated that he did not sign any deals during his term. Meaning since 2008 there has been no agreement on Drones. However everybody agrees that under the Military junta of Musharraf there was an agreement. Since then nothing.
The WP is blowing smoke.
Re: “Strong evidence” Pakistan military approved US drone strikes: UN report
I wish you had shown same concern when his predecessors were smoking public money for their useless visits.
I am all against of such visits by anyone who wastes public money. But this visit was aimed at drones, which could not be materialized, instead PM had to explain for inaction in regard to Bombay massacre, for which he was not prepared and could not convince or defend himself before Sam.
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Re: “Strong evidence” Pakistan military approved US drone strikes: UN report
Just for sake of smiles 
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Re: “Strong evidence” Pakistan military approved US drone strikes: UN report
I am all against of such visits by anyone who wastes public money. But this visit was aimed at drones, which could not be materialized, instead PM had to explain for inaction in regard to Bombay massacre, for which he was not prepared and could not convince or defend himself before Sam.
Where did you read it was aimed at drones? If it really was primarily about drones then this was the most stupid move.
Re: A surprising number of Pakistanis are in favour of drone strikes
This whole survey things coming out in recent past from Pakistan with help of media outlets are lot of rubbish! these are all made and try to toil public sentiments! If they like drones too much expand it to all Pakistan then! a simple experiment by providing these "vast population of 20" with anti drone stinger missiles and viola you will see within days how much they like drones!
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Nawaz heads to US with drones high on agenda | Pakistan Today
**WASHINGTON/LONDON - Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif on Saturday said the US drone strikes in Pakistan’s tribal areas were a challenge to Pakistan’s sovereignty and he will seek immediate cessation of such attacks during his meeting with President Barack Obama.
Talking to reporters in London en route to Washington, Nawaz said that all political parties of the country had unanimously endorsed peace talks with militants of the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) and an end to drone strikes would help his government in resolving the decade-long bloodshed in the country. The TTP has also demanded an end to drone strikes as a pre-condition for talks with the government. **
Re: “Strong evidence” Pakistan military approved US drone strikes: UN report
This was probably for public consumption, political scoring which sort of backfired. Main agenda was selection of COAS, what US expects, how to support Malala, get details of the to-do list he agreed before elections.
Iran Enraged by Pakistan’s Heedless Attitude to Border Control
Well, there goes…another country enraged at us.
14 Iranian border guards were killed and 6 more were injured during the terrorist attack in Saravan border region in Southeastern Iran in the early hours of Saturday morning. The terrorists who have reportedly been members of the outlawed Jeish Al-Adl radical Sunni Wahhabi movement fled into Pakistan after the operation in Iran’s Southeastern Sistan and Balouchestan province.
“The Pakistani government has always condemned these attacks, but it brings excuses that it does not have a strong presence along the border with Iran and it cannot, hence, control the border, but these are all excuses and we cannot accept them,” Ahmadi Moqaddam said.
He underlined that several other similar attacks have taken place along the Iranian border regions since the beginning of the current (Iranian) year, but in most cases the assailants have been forced to flee to the neighboring countries after sustaining heavy losses.
Earlier this month, Commander of the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) Major General Mohammad Ali Jafari announced that his forces have thwarted 11 foreign-backed terrorist plots, including suicide attacks, in the Southeastern parts of the country this year.
“This year, the terrorist groups and hirelings of the arrogant powers have sought to carry out 11 different operations, including a suicide attack, in the Southeastern parts of Iran which were all defused as a result of the efforts made by the IRGC forces,” Jafari said in the holy city of Mashhad, Northeastern Iran.
He warned Washington and other countries which support the terrorist groups against Iran that their puppet terrorists might one day betray them, and said, “If these puppet groups stand against the US, they will be able to carry out their suicide and savage operations at the very heart of the US.”
For the last three decades, the US has been training, arming and supporting anti-Iran terrorist groups on the other side of Iran’s borders both in the East and the West.
In April 2012, the Jundollah group - a CIA backed terrorist organization with a long record in staging terrorist operations in Iran - failed to stage a series of terrorist blasts due to the prompt action of the IRGC.
Commander of the IRGC Ground Force Brigadier General Mohammad Pakpour announced at the time that the Pakistan-based Jundollah planned to launch a wave of terrorist operations by blasting suicide vests and explosive-laden cars in Iran.
The General said the IRGC forces managed to disband a team and kill a number of the terrorists sent by the US-backed Jundollah group to stage terrorist operations and create insecurity in Iran.
After the detention of the members of the group, it was revealed that each of them was equipped with suicide vests filled with 20kg of explosives to be detonated among the public and in important parts of the country, he said.
In addition to using suicide vests, the terrorists were also due to plant bombs in stolen cars to blast them in key points, but the IRGC’s swift action foiled their plots, he added.