Re: Dr. Zakir Naik: Lectures on various topics
Well I will only say, I am a proud member of IRF. And I am getting training by IRF of Da'wa. Want to get membership???
Re: Dr. Zakir Naik: Lectures on various topics
The way I see He is just saying that Mangalsutra(type) custom is not part of islam because in islam an un-married girl and a married one are equally respectable and they are required to dress equally modestly
What I have seen through indian media that at least one purpose of Mangalsutra is to make it prominent that she is married and No man should see her as a future prospect and she deserves more respects from society which is indeed a good thing…
I may be terribly wrong about the purpose of Managsutra, please enlighten if this is the case 
What Dr. Naik is trying to say is that Islam demand same level of respect for both virgins and married ladies. May be his example is a bit insensetive, but it was to make the point
His whole thrust is that according to his Hindu friend such behaviour is allowed by Hinduism but not by Islam
I will say that this is quite far fetched… his pov was that **hinduism demand more respect for a married women in comparison with an unmarried girl but islam demand equal respect and honour for both. **
You may disagree
You know the meaning of tons in english??? lemi find
What is spritual about it, Disposing off a dead body is natural and a requirement for eco system
His point make complete sense to me. I think hindus should opt for a better alternate than burning ( infact burning with wood is worst and such a huge loss to envirnment. ) I belive hindus can do this becuase they already got rid of ill practices like Sati and making option for remairage of widows and (to some extent ) minimizing the evils of caste system :k:
Re: Dr. Zakir Naik: Lectures on various topics
Whether one is in favor of cremation or not:
a) modern day cremations use natural or propane gas as fuel.
b) it is NOT a requirment for the eco system to have human bodies decay underground.
c) just because it is against someone's religion, doesn't make it 'evil' for others.
d) it is cheaper to have a body cremated than the expensive casket/burial option in US
e) Dr Naik does a lousy and inaccurate job at describing the benefits of burial vs cremation.
Re: Dr. Zakir Naik: Lectures on various topics
So this {edit} posts the reason for why hindu women wear mangalsutra as some kind of deterrent to ward of advances and gain virtue from single males of society. And since he spoke to a hindu friend of his, he decided that that is the perfect basis to form his theory on females' value in hindusim vis-a-vis islam.
Codey, tell this {edit} that mangalsutra is something that Indian women wear as not to repel advances (that is not an issue) but to bring good tidings to the marriage as it has been blessed during the wedding. The women traditionally wore them until the husband died, not because they were revered because of the mangalsutra by society, but because it is part of the hindu tradition of sanctity of marriage.
The differentiation this quack poses is not even a relevant basis of his supposition. Women also have the same level of reverence in hinduism as islam prescribes, if not more. He is equating mangalsutra to the burqa. Mangalsutra is not something that garners hindu women more or less virtue as the hijab concept in quran. Hindu men can keep it in their pants without the need to molest or hump every non-magalsutra wearing woman. Quite to the contrary of the hijab concept.
Many creamtoriams are coming up which use other fuels to dispose of the body. Hinduism is evolving. Sati died down because the muslim savages that came from Arabia got civilized in India. Read about Johar and rajputs. These were not your run of the mill paki ancestors who spread open and said aah...these women would rather die than get raped by savages from arabia and points west. Not a pretty picture eh?
Re: Dr. Zakir Naik: Lectures on various topics
guru jehna de tappnay chelay jaan chhaRap..applies very well to Naik fan club. cody's post above is an example..rather than admit it was a bad way to make a point by Naik, he himself brings up Hinduism in his argument..
Simplest explaination that everyone understand is Manglasutra is a Hindu custom and Muslim women should not wear it. manglasutra - Thread of mangla grah...is as PD explained above...not as learned(from his hindu friend) scholar explained it.
People in the west wear rings to signify that they are married....usually it serves (not the main purpose to wear it) to let other prospective matches know I am taken. Manglasutra does that as a secondary function but it is a far cry from getting teased and molested...certainly not the primary reason beind this custom.
Re: Dr. Zakir Naik: Lectures on various topics
shows just how much u can understand from analogies…
Re: Dr. Zakir Naik: Lectures on various topics
I have very limited access to hindu culture and we only get idea through media, (which is not very accurate all the time).
Manglasutra ?? 
May be some knowledgeable hindu shed some light…
So according to Chan ji and PD, married women dont deserve/get more respect from society, and treated equal as unmarried girl !
Frankly I am clueless, Whatever idea i had is totally wrong according to these gentlemen.
I shall not discuss it any further untill the time i know the philosophy of Manglasutra.
Re: Dr. Zakir Naik: Lectures on various topics
Re-
a) Please provide link. if any.
b) imagine millions of dead bodies lying on the ground. Even a dead body of dog in a populated area can horrifically demage the surroundings and other living being. burning cause lot of damage to already decaying ecosystem. Underground burial is most eco-friendly and logically suited way of desposing off a dead body
d) Wrong ! he is not talking about US. its India where per capita income is $450. Bural is lot cheaper and wood is geting scarce.
e)IMO he is to the point and accurate, you are living on some other planet.
It is not my intention to offend any hindu but they need to find an alternate, at least for their coming generations …
Re: Dr. Zakir Naik: Lectures on various topics
I was not aware that the "esteemed" Doctor was limiting his arugments against cremations to Hindu only. Because the first 4 of my points are correct in relation to cremations in the US. He is going to have to come up with separate arguments against non-Hindu cremations which proves my 5th point.
a) US, don't know burning method in India.
b) We are talking about cremation - not dead bodies lying around. Ashes are much more earth friendly and logical than decaying bodies, especially in overpopulated areas. If a decaying body makes the grass greener in the cemetary I don't think that count that as an ecological bonus. Cow dung does the same thing, let's not overstate its importance.
d) Again, I was speaking of US. If India goes to gas then this isn't an issue.
e) 'nuff said
If the Hindus can come up with a cleaner and more efficient way to burn the bodies then I think they are spot on.
Re: Dr. Zakir Naik: Lectures on various topics
soylent green
Re: Dr. Zakir Naik: Lectures on various topics
Not under the auspices of the magalsutra. The mangalsutra has no bearing on garnering respect. Which part of that statement ar you having difficulty understanding? Hindi mein bol doon?
Re: Dr. Zakir Naik: Lectures on various topics
About Burial v/s cremation: Doctor is a religious scholar and not a un of the mill tree hugger like Arundhiti Roy....he is making an argument how burial(since it is what practised by Islam) is BETTER/BEST/GREAT than cremations. We all know reason muslims bury is none of the reasons listed by Doctor. Reason Muslims bury is totally spiritual and of belief. and I have no problem with that. Anyone who believes Muslims bury because they love trees and all other is total bs.
Cody, give us a honest answer for once....why you think people in your muslim family are buried and not cremated when they die? be honest.
Re: Dr. Zakir Naik: Lectures on various topics
The only option for an unmarried woman is to engage in polygamy or to become public property?
WTF?
I'm surprised so many of you guys is praising this jerk of a scholar.
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^^ Welsaid 
Re: Dr. Zakir Naik: Lectures on various topics
it makes more sense than praying to a stone 
Re: Dr. Zakir Naik: Lectures on various topics
... or the creation of the same God as we are the creation- but a creation more high in status than the other creations of God.
Re: Dr. Zakir Naik: Lectures on various topics
this whole retrofitting of logic and science in Islam is the most comical aspect of proving the validity of a faith. It is laughable and a clown like this guy who professes such things and is looked upon as a source of wisdom in the muslim world is a perfect example of why the muslim world is intellectually bankrupt. (oh like codey said: not to offend any muslims )
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A good part is that all other religions and FAITHs for that matter become no more than a mythology when they are far from Science and Logic. No reality. No Conviction of faith at the end of the day. (No offend to anyone:flower1: )
Re: Dr. Zakir Naik: Lectures on various topics
AQ, to an outsider, the same applies about your religion and faith. :)
Re: Dr. Zakir Naik: Lectures on various topics
Islam talks about daily life matters which are reality unlike talking about a mythological stories which can't be proven otherwise but only driven through the system of faith yet the base of faith shakes at one or other point and people are seen to say stuff like Religion is a personal matter and keep religion away from State and Laws.
Reason is Obvious: There is nothing in those system of faiths to govern a state or to implement Laws for that matter. :)