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By the way, I find it so so ironic that words like 'idol', 'god', 'demigod' for humans are so quickly thrown around by people belonging to country/culture that practices strict monotheist religion.
Of course the novelty will wear off, but very interesting behaviour nonetheless.
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What conclusion did we get out after 6 pages?
Military “estaablishment” still controls the country?
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You mean the same “establishment” which was “controlling” 2013 elections result in PTI’s favour? 
Wut writing was on the wall at that time, eh?
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Wut writing? This one :p
Jolie 1 - Bhaloo haters 0
Other than pasting articles from Yawn and agreeing with that crap, no one has been able to counter your arguments. Well done. @Jolie
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I have no doubt about that military still controls the PM and his cronies.
Army chief holds off generals seeking Pakistan PM’s ouster | Reuters
A government insider told Reuters in August that Sharif had been assured by the military he would not be asked to step down and that there would be no coup. But in return his government would have to "share space"with the army.
Under the agreement, Sharif would be subservient to generals on issues he had wanted to handle himself - the fight against Taliban militants,relations with arch-foe India and Pakistan’s role in neighbouring Afghanistan after NATO combat troops withdraw at the end of 2014.
A senior ISI official said: “It is baseless to say the ISI is involved, but the fact is that this government has not delivered. No one will support it unconditionally.”
Khan, who like Qadri accuses the prime minister of rigging the 2013 election and demands that he steps down, denies acting on anyone’s orders.
Sharif further irked the generals by putting former military head and president Pervez Musharraf, who ended Sharif’s last stint in power in a 1999 coup, on trial for treason.
But with the more conservative-minded military back in the driving seat, it would be much harder for Sharif to deliver on the rapprochement with India that he promised Indian officials when he won the election.
“Nawaz is the biggest loser here,” said a government official. “Coup or no coup, the democratic transition has been badlydisrupted.”
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This extract from Herald sounds familiar. :hehe:
Sometimes Pakistan’s virtual world seems to be walking in lockstep with Raheel Sharif. If he is meeting soldiers stationed in the tribal areas, his digital supporters rush to portray him as a military commander par excellence who cannot care less about his own safety to be with his men. When he receives the families of the victims of terrorism or the children and widows of the slain military officials at his office in Rawalpindi, the focus shifts to highlighting his compassion as a man of the people. His official tours to places such as Balochistan and Karachi are portrayed as the arrival of a dauntless commander on the scene of a war that nobody was able to win before him. And his parleys with foreign dignitaries are projected as the manifestations of his unbendable patriotism and unparalleled statesmanship.
Other serving and retired military personalities also get a huge amount of favourable traction in cyberspace courtesy websites and social media accounts that actively root for anything linked to the military. When Hameed Gul, a former head of the ISI, died last month, the Internet was abuzz with his exploits, projecting him as a hero who had singlehandedly defeated the Soviet Union. An army general who has sent his son to the front line in the war against terror sometimes earns a similar spate of digital praise. One of the favourite subjects of these cyber warriors is promoting the heroic deeds of young army officers who have laid down their lives while fighting against terrorists. Sometimes, their spartan lives are shown in contrast to those of “luxury-loving, inept and corrupt politicians”.
Apart from promoting the military leadership, some of these accounts are active in generating a single-track hype over important issues of national security and foreign policy. The military is shown to be fighting an unequal war against a foreign enemy which has evil designs against Pakistan and is willing to employ any financial, intellectual, ideological, cultural and military means to destroy our country. Some Pakistanis are then presented as internal enemies, collaborating and conniving with the external enemies of the state. These mostly include politicians, media persons, writers, actors and the odd religious leader. (Count @SID_NY and Asma Jehangir in these people)
A Karachi-based social media expert, who wants to remain anonymous due to the sensitivity of the subject, says such content is mostly generated by social media accounts and websites set up under obscure identities. PakArmyChannel, for instance, is present both on Youtube and Facebook. It reveals little about the identity of its operators except that they may be based in Germany. The channel carries hundreds of videos with pro-army songs, news reports and other multimedia materials related to the military. And it is just one of innumerable accounts with obscure identity. “There is no way we can know the origin of these accounts. These cannot be traced back to any real person or organisation,” says the expert.** (I hope Military Lovers here are not running any such channel)**
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Bhaloo was in London, he met British Pakistani parliamentarians, members of House of Lords, British Pakistani businessmen, policy makers, talked about security situation and CPEC, and guess what they said to him - ‘Thank You Raheel Sharif’ #InsideInfo](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=InsideInfo)
Bhaloo haters will now call Brit Pakistani threat to their jamhooriyat. More copy and pasting from Yawn and time to look towards Pentagon. LOL.
He’s really getting under their skin.
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** (I hope Military Lovers here are not running any such channel)**
You just never know :D
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As someone who knows the military a lil too closely and have seen the ups and downs in its popularity and the general culture of hatred thats cooked from certain factions, all I have to say is that you quit your long posts defending the Army in general Bhaloo in particular.
Army does not need any defending on this forum that contributes very little in my opinion to projecting an image of Pakistan. This forum represents very little of Pakistan. There is virtually no traffic on this forum and I see no point for you to waste your energies and post them long long essays 
Oh and as for those anti-Pak sentiments and pro-injun agenda reflected here, you needn’t worry cos they are in the miniority. The reality on the ground is different and you know what I am talking about.
Let the boys here read and share Yawn as if its gospel.
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You just never know :D
yeah. It would be more fruitful to run such channels than wasting energies on a dead forum like this :p
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Military is running the show within the country or not, bottom line is that this general has improved the image of the army amongst the masses. The image which saw battering in Musharraf's tenure and persisted through kayani's. This general will leave a legacy which his followers will be able to match or not we'll have to wait and see. And yes I have heard some positive things about him even from Sindh.
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This comes in my mind when I rad or hear claims of ppl well versed about military
Hope ppl understand what i mean
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Could we not have honest disagreements without people's loyalties being questioned? Especially by those sitting in far away places such as the UK. Yes, I'm talking to you Jolie. .
I wish we could once and for all do away with this nonsense.
People's loyalties should absolutely be questioned. Why does it matter where you're living? We aren't in the Pakistani government, we don't hold any official position and it's rude of you to say "why aren't you fighting the good war on the ground?" How do you know what someone is doing? For all you know they may have set up schools, clinics, hospitals and free food services in Pakistan.
People support Kugoo Nawaz, MQM and PPP despite the fact they have looted trillions. Look at the state of all the major industries and sectors in the country - they've been sucked dry. Literally every single one. You don't need to read any papers or watch any news channels. GO OUT AND LOOK! Then look at the booming businesses of these politicians ALL OVER THE WORLD. These politicians who started from waiting tables and not even having passed 8th class now own £20m houses in London,Dubai, Malaysia - you name it. Look at Kugoo's pathetic pandering to India, his businesses in India. How can you not question the people supporting these parties? If a party is leeching my country dry whilst people are dying because they have no water or basic medicine or education or security and all this is being supported by someone, how on earth can their loyalty NOT be questioned? As a patriotic Pakistani, how can you NOT question them? WHY wouldn't you? Shame on someone who just turns a blind eye I'd say.
In the US or the UK, political parties in the end, regardless of their policies, are aiming to better the country. There is no nonsense such as stealing trillions of dollars and blatantly being in bed with foreign agencies so despite differing views, you can't question their loyalty or love for their country. You can respect their political opinions as there is no TREASON on the part of their party and it's political policies/ambitions.
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Haha, nice selfie there my friend! Take off the blinders though, you might learn a thing or two! 
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Haha, nice selfie there my friend! Take off the blinders though, you might learn a thing or two! ;)
Thanks for the comments. I knew that was coming ...
Ayna un ko dikhaya to bura maan gayee....
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Oho naheen sir, bura manane ki kya baat hai?
Aap ko dekh ker bohat khushi hoi.
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Oho naheen sir, bura manane ki kya baat hai?
Aap ko dekh ker bohat khushi hoi.
Aynaa in english means mirror...
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I wish we could once and for all do away with this nonsense.
People's loyalties should absolutely be questioned. Why does it matter where you're living? We aren't in the Pakistani government, we don't hold any official position and it's rude of you to say "why aren't you fighting the good war on the ground?" How do you know what someone is doing? For all you know they may have set up schools, clinics, hospitals and free food services in Pakistan.
People support Kugoo Nawaz, MQM and PPP despite the fact they have looted trillions. Look at the state of all the major industries and sectors in the country - they've been sucked dry. Literally every single one. You don't need to read any papers or watch any news channels. GO OUT AND LOOK! Then look at the booming businesses of these politicians ALL OVER THE WORLD. These politicians who started from waiting tables and not even having passed 8th class now own £20m houses in London,Dubai, Malaysia - you name it. Look at Kugoo's pathetic pandering to India, his businesses in India. How can you not question the people supporting these parties? If a party is leeching my country dry whilst people are dying because they have no water or basic medicine or education or security and all this is being supported by someone, how on earth can their loyalty NOT be questioned? As a patriotic Pakistani, how can you NOT question them? WHY wouldn't you? Shame on someone who just turns a blind eye I'd say.
In the US or the UK, political parties in the end, regardless of their policies, are aiming to better the country. There is no nonsense such as stealing trillions of dollars and blatantly being in bed with foreign agencies so despite differing views, you can't question their loyalty or love for their country. You can respect their political opinions as there is no TREASON on the part of their party and it's political policies/ambitions.
Well said, a calm and reasoned voice.
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*People's loyalties should absolutely be questioned. *
How can you not question the people supporting these parties? If a party is leeching my country dry whilst people are dying because they have no water or basic medicine or education or security and all this is being supported by someone, how on earth can their loyalty NOT be questioned?
*As a patriotic Pakistani, how can you NOT question them? WHY wouldn't you? Shame on someone who just turns a blind eye I'd say. *
seriously? so you are questioning loyalty of everyone who voted for PMLN, PPP and Mqm? i mean, are you serious? and you are saying that shame on everyone who voted for these parties...really? wow
over 70% of Pakistanis voted for these parties. while i may disagree with many policies of these parties i would never ever question the loyalty of those who voted for them.
so you and your so called PTIans are only patriotic folks in this country?
yes you have every right to criticize any political party but no sir, you dont have right to start shaming people or questioning their loyalty if they vote for them. this is a very dangerous trend.
remember there are many who differ with PTI policies and questions its leadership character as well. imagine if people start questioning PTIans loyalty to the country as well? there is no end to it and it will cause so much nafrat among masses with each other
this mindset of putting yourself on the driving seat of so-called moral roller-coaster and questioning everyone's loyalty is the main problem. i dont know what is it , so much arrogance, or so much naiveness?
