Does the ALL MIGHTY need blasphemy laws?

[WitnezTheFitnez]

Re: Does the ALL MIGHTY need blasphemy laws?

@TT

Yes because as a Pakistani on a Pakistani forum I should be talking about Egypt. Oh yeah and mere mention of the mediocrity in my country means I’m splashing trash on Pakistan? If there wasn’t such trash to begin with, there wouldn’t be much splashing. If we don’t talk about such things, how do you suppose they are going to go away?

You speak about Pakistan, I bring to your knowledge the atrocities being committed in Egypt.

Do you seriously think, posting a fully fledged hate message about a Pakistani law on a Pakistani forum is going to yield you more supporters/atheists?

[bella88]

Re: Does the ALL MIGHTY need blasphemy laws?

@WitnezTheFitnez

You must understand, the only reason I continue to flower you with my politeness is purely out of sheer humanity, or whatever my religion may have taught me. Hint: To be tolerant, and to be patient.

lol this is politeness? okay.

The fact that you compared a jail to a madrassah is a clear example of me exercising that right.

anyone can express their opinion. whats the problem?

[TT]

Re: Does the ALL MIGHTY need blasphemy laws?

@WitnezTheFitnez

You speak about Pakistan, I bring to your knowledge the atrocities being committed in Egypt.

Do you seriously think, posting a fully fledged hate message about a Pakistani law on a Pakistani forum is going to yield you more supporters/atheists?

This is not a religious issue but rather a legal one. It is unacceptable that the Pakistani government continues to uphold such laws and expects its citizens and the world to take it seriously. It tarnishes Pakistan’s image as well as its population’s. If that is acceptable to you then we should be questioning your patriotism.

I suppose you also believe that opposition party to the government is a big hate group?

[WitnezTheFitnez]

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@bella88

lol this is politeness? okay.

anyone can express their opinion. whats the problem?

Dissing my family ticks me off as much as when somebody disrespects my religion. Compared to that, I think I’ve been pretty calm to you overall.

Expressing an opinion is alright, but when you question a religion whilst being unsure/shy mentioning your own is when trouble begs a barge in.

[WitnezTheFitnez]

Re: Does the ALL MIGHTY need blasphemy laws?

@TT

This is not a religious issue but rather a legal one. It is unacceptable that the Pakistani government continues to uphold such laws and expects its citizens and the world to take it seriously. It tarnishes Pakistan’s image as well as its population’s. If that is acceptable to you then we should be questioning your patriotism.

I suppose you also believe that opposition party to the government is a big hate group?

Again, nobody with an ounce of sense takes the law seriously, no matter how hard this government (or the previous) ends up pushing its citizens to.

Aren’t all the opposing parties in the world hated by the people in control of the governments?

[bella88]

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@WitnezTheFitnez

Dissing my family ticks me off as much as when somebody disrespects my religion. Compared to that, I think I’ve been pretty calm to you overall

Expressing an opinion is alright, but when you question a religion whilst being unsure/shy mentioning your own is when trouble begs a barge in.

this thread is irrelevant to what my religion is. And anyone can question any religion. if someone is critical of your religion, you should counter their arguments rather than getting ‘ticked’ off. that would be the mature way.

[OYMWA]

Re: Does the ALL MIGHTY need blasphemy laws?

@TT

This is not a religious issue but rather a legal one. It is unacceptable that the Pakistani government continues to uphold such laws and expects its citizens and the world to take it seriously. It tarnishes Pakistan’s image as well as its population’s. If that is acceptable to you then we should be questioning your patriotism.

I suppose you also believe that opposition party to the government is a big hate group?

Well, you wanted ‘paray likhey’ pakistanis to start debating the issue. This is how it goes.

In all seriousness though, when you want to change something, specially in a county like pakistan, you start slow. If you try to tackle a big, sensitive issue like this one first, all you get is resistance. Then your message is lost. Start with small issues and you frame your solution for such small issues with a simple frame of reference, maybe in nationalistic terms not religious terms. You chip away at it for years and then you tackle big issues like blasphemy laws, gay marriage etc. Obama may have romanticized the ‘change’ slogan, but that change doesn’t happen overnight.

[TT]

Re: Does the ALL MIGHTY need blasphemy laws?

@WitnezTheFitnez

Again, nobody with an ounce of sense takes the law seriously, no matter how hard this government (or the previous) ends up pushing its citizens to.

Aren’t all the opposing parties in the world hated by the people in control of the governments?

Yes you may not take it seriously because it doesn’t affect you but as already proved this law is in fact implemented and has ruined lives of innocent people. And the fact that you can conveniently say that this law is not taken seriously, only highlights the lawlessness in the country and the incompetence of the government who uphold these laws.

Also constructive criticism is not a “hate message”.

[chacha_Ghalib]

Re: Does the ALL MIGHTY need blasphemy laws?

@WitnezTheFitnez

That is for the admins to determine, let’s not get carried away.

So, too shy to admit you’re an Atheist?

Kyon uncle? Kaya aap jannat ke admission ticket baant rahy hain jo aap ko doosron ki imani halat batani zaroori hai?

Translation: why? Are you distributing admission tickets to jannat that one needs to confess his/her faith or lack thereof to you.

Try harder, troll.

[chacha_Ghalib]

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@Zafra

Your entire discussion for the past 3 pages an indication of that. You could have easily stated that they are all wrong. You didn’t. You continued to show how Pakistan is worse.

Is it your position that the west is just as bad as Pakistan when it comes to blasphemy laws? If so, argue that. What’s with the constant bitc*ing about tangential stuff?

[TT]

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@OneYourMomWarnedAbt

Well, you wanted ‘paray likhey’ pakistanis to start debating the issue. This is how it goes.

In all seriousness though, when you want to change something, specially in a county like pakistan, you start slow. If you try to tackle a big, sensitive issue like this one first, all you get is resistance. Then your message is lost. Start with small issues and you frame your solution for such small issues with a simple frame of reference, maybe in nationalistic terms not religious terms. You chip away at it for years and then you tackle big issues like blasphemy laws, gay marriage etc. Obama may have romanticized the ‘change’ slogan, but that change doesn’t happen overnight.

My initial thought behind this thread was to understand an opposing perspective on the matter. As you can see, there is none. This is not a sensitive issue. It’s common sense. Most people agree that these laws need to be scraped and as soon as possible. Pakistanis are quite unaware of the laws of their country simply because a lot of them can afford to ignore them, hence the condition of the country. Also, if they can’t stand to hear what’s going on in their country from a fellow citizen then they shouldn’t be upset when a foreigner brings up theses issues.

[WitnezTheFitnez]

Re: Does the ALL MIGHTY need blasphemy laws?

@chacha_Ghalib

Kyon uncle? Kaya aap jannat ke admission ticket baant rahy hain jo aap ko doosron ki imani halat batani zaroori hai?

Translation: why? Are you distributing admission tickets to jannat that one needs to confess his/her faith or lack thereof to you.

Try harder, troll.

I’m sorry but most of what you said went like a flying spaghetti over my head.

The little that I understand; they’re going on to question my beliefs, putting down my religion and then comparing a jail to a madrassah. The least I could do is question them about their religion.

Muslim reporting in, how about you?

[WitnezTheFitnez]

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@bella88

this thread is irrelevant to what my religion is. And anyone can question any religion. if someone is critical of your religion, you should counter their arguments rather than getting ‘ticked’ off. that would be the mature way.

You expect me to counter your arguments when you go on to disrespect my religion in the same argument you present?

If i was ticked off, do you seriously think I’d be telling you how hard I am trying to be polite to you?

And since common sense isn’t as common as it was expected to be, It helps to know what religion the other belongs to when they try and question your own. Adds to the credibility of the person who asks.

[WitnezTheFitnez]

Re: Does the ALL MIGHTY need blasphemy laws?

@TT

Yes you may not take it seriously because it doesn’t affect you but as already proved this law is in fact implemented and has ruined lives of innocent people. And the fact that you can conveniently say that this law is not taken seriously, only highlights the lawlessness in the country and the incompetence of the government who uphold these laws.

Also constructive criticism is not a “hate message”.

When I say it isn’t taken seriously means it is a dumb move for anyone who attempts to expose/use the law.

Constructive criticism is again what every government wants.

[chacha_Ghalib]

Re: Does the ALL MIGHTY need blasphemy laws?

@WitnezTheFitnez

I’m sorry but most of what you said went like a flying spaghetti over my head.

The little that I understand; they’re going on to question my beliefs, putting down my religion and then comparing a jail to a madrassah. The least I could do is question them about their religion.

Muslim reporting in, how about you?

Calm down, man. No one really gives a damn about you or your religion. Stop wearing it on your sleeve. Confessing it in every post doesn’t add any credibility to your posts.

This thread is about a Pakistani law. You barge in here questioning someone else’s religion on the pretext that your religion was being attacked and your beliefs were being questioned.

As far as we are concerned you’re a nobody. We haven’t seen you here before and have no reason to attack you. We don’t know what your beliefs are and I personally don’t give a ****. We have no reason to attack your beliefs. If, however, you consider any comment about some stupid law or Islam in general an attack on your beliefs, you’ll just have to learn to deal with it.

[bella88]

Re: Does the ALL MIGHTY need blasphemy laws?

@WitnezTheFitnez

You expect me to counter your arguments when you go on to disrespect my religion in the same argument you present?

If i was ticked off, do you seriously think I’d be telling you how hard I am trying to be polite to you?

And since common sense isn’t as common as it was expected to be, It helps to know what religion the other belongs to when they try and question your own. Adds to the credibility of the person who asks.

either you’re being overly sensitive for no reason or just trolling. I did not disrespect any religion

[Zafra]

Re: Does the ALL MIGHTY need blasphemy laws?

@chacha_Ghalib

Is it your position that the west is just as bad as Pakistan when it comes to blasphemy laws? If so, argue that. What’s with the constant bitc*ing about tangential stuff?

No my position is that people like you constantly ***** about Pakistan but when shown the same is a law in the West your inferiority complex starts and you make excuses. This entire thread is a perfect example.

If Blasphemy laws are morally wrong they are morally wrong in all cases. You aren’t shopping at a Carrefour.

[chacha_Ghalib]

Re: Does the ALL MIGHTY need blasphemy laws?

@Zafra

No my position is that people like you constantly ***** about Pakistan but when shown the same is a law in the West your inferiority complex starts and you make excuses. This entire thread is a perfect example.

If Blasphemy laws are morally wrong they are morally wrong in all cases. You aren’t shopping at a Carrefour.

Trolling the ladies of life1 doesn’t pass for serious discussion. Every time someone wastes their time engaging you in serious discussion and your position is shown to be ridiculous, you fall back on the trolling excuse. Why should anyone take you seriously?

Not only are you intellectually dishonest, you’re quite pompous about it. Where have I made excuses for the west in this thread?

I asked you what your position was about the topic of the thread. As expected, you didn’t answer that because you’d rather take a position on someone else’s position. Are you saying that being a Pakistani and posting on a Pakistani board, one should find solace in the fact that some other country also has a medieval law on its books. Every time one finds a shortcoming in Pakistan, one should scout the world to make sure that no other country has the same problem. If someone finds another country, one should discuss them first or risk losing the patriotism certificate that zafra issues.

I am not going to defend something stupid that the west did back in the day so put that strawman aside. I will move on by saying that they were stupid and backward. Thankfully, they have moved on. Does it make you feel better that Pakistan is as backward as the west was 200 years ago?

Why should one have to discuss other countries here to begin with? This what-aboutism is the hallmark of apologists. When they can’t defend an absurd position they divert attention by saying “what about this or what about that.” There is just no end to it.

[bella88]

Re: Does the ALL MIGHTY need blasphemy laws?

@Zafra

No my position is that people like you constantly ***** about Pakistan but when shown the same is a law in the West your inferiority complex starts and you make excuses. This entire thread is a perfect example.

If Blasphemy laws are morally wrong they are morally wrong in all cases. You aren’t shopping at a Carrefour.

same old bs over and over:yawn:

[Zafra]

Re: Does the ALL MIGHTY need blasphemy laws?

@chacha_Ghalib

Trolling the ladies of life1 doesn’t pass for serious discussion. Every time someone wastes their time engaging you in serious discussion and your position is shown to be ridiculous, you fall back on the trolling excuse. Why should anyone take you seriously?

Not only are you intellectually dishonest, you’re quite pompous about it. Where have I made excuses for the west in this thread?

I asked you what your position was about the topic of the thread. As expected, you didn’t answer that because you’d rather take a position on someone else’s position. Are you saying that being a Pakistani and posting on a Pakistani board, one should find solace in the fact that some other country also has a medieval law on its books. Every time one finds a shortcoming in Pakistan, one should scout the world to make sure that no other country has the same problem. If someone finds another country, one should discuss them first or risk losing the patriotism certificate that zafra issues.

I am not going to defend something stupid that the west did back in the day so put that strawman aside. I will move on by saying that they were stupid and backward. Thankfully, they have moved on. Does it make you feel better that Pakistan is as backward as the west was 200 years ago?

Why should one have to discuss other countries here to begin with? This what-aboutism is the hallmark of apologists. When they can’t defend an absurd position they divert attention by saying “what about this or what about that.” There is just no end to it.

Chacha seriously? That was just uncalled for. The condescending sexism is kinda unexpected. Sure I troll but hell that attitude about women in life1 is pretty low. Pretty insulting.

I expected better from someone attempting to portray the positive persona.

Regardless you want my views. Blasphemy legally is a violation of freedom of expressions which every single human being has a right too. As Voltaire said: “I do not agree with what you have to say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it.” That applies to all regardless of what they believe or think. So I do not agree with the Blasphemy laws.

However I do not make a distinction as you have or Bella has with regard to which nation state holds these laws. Kinda like how you said what they did 200 years ago. You do know that the blasphemy law was used in Germany and Finland in the last 10 years? So not so 200 years ago. By your example Pakistan is neck and neck with Germany and Finland not 200 years behind.

Also I am not pompous. I am confident. Yes I am that good. Or its hubris…but eh we will find out during my tragic fall.