Does it matter if someone you want to marry is a virgin or not?

re: Does it matter if someone you want to marry is a virgin or not?

@EDAL,

Yes, women do tend to have more of an emotional connection with sex than men do....and for a guy it's easier to just hit it and then forget about it......and yes.....society's double standards are such that it's a bigger deal for a woman to not be a virgin than it is for a man. While I understand the points that you've made (and I know that there are many others out there that feel the same)....there's a danger in such views. Danger in that having such views can even make it easier for men to engage in zina....it's like a sort of mental justification that "Eh...it's not as important for us to keep a lock on it, so why not indulge for a while, God is merciful, he understands the weaknesses of us men." Allah has kept the rules the same for both genders in this regard.....it is so black and white with no wiggle room....that I find it disturbing when people come up with such "reasonings" and "excuses."

Yes, Edal, a mother has greater darjah or a more elevated status in Islam. But when you say that the mother of man's children should be pure and yada yada.........once again that puts A LOT of responsibility on the woman. That's the problem with society.....that it places greater responsibility/accountability/blame/consequences (whatever you wanna call it) on the woman to control her emotions and be more mindful of her actions and not the man. While one gets away with it....the other can't. And saying that a mother SHOULD be a thing of purity is just a prettily worded way of putting more accountabilty (for actions) prior to marriage on a woman and NOT on a guy. That's all it is....a prettily worded, but dangerous statement. A **FATHER **does not only have the role of being the breadwinner in raising a family. Daugthers learn about men and how to interacat with men through their fathers]. A son learns hows to view and treat women through his father as well. No, I'm not saying that a mother has absolutely NO responsibility in teaching her children. She does. But so does a father......and that's why it's also important for HIM to ALSO (along with mommy) be someone who PRACTICES what he preaches.....not to be someone who only preaches or only preaches that it's more acceptable for one gender (in terms of soceity) to break the rules.

There should be a flag button for posts because quite frankly some of the ignorance and double standards are stomach-turning. Seriously, troll much?

re: Does it matter if someone you want to marry is a virgin or not?

It's not trolling. And I'm not justifying such views....but Edal is not the only one who holds them....so do many other men.......so do some women. There are mothers out there who will sternly warn their daugthers to keep their legs locked for fear of badnami and spinsterhood.....but if their sons fall from grace, it's brushed off with "Haan ab kya karain? Larkay to larkay hotay hain." And you will even find some mothers who will place greater blame on the girl their son impregnates "Oh she must have lured/trapped him. She's probably a tramp. Who knows whose bacha she's carrying." Yes, I know that not all women/mothers think this way....but the point I'm making is that society's double standards are perpetuated by both genders. You don't have to be a troll to uphold such dangerous views. Again, Edal is not a troll. Which makes it worse right?

re: Does it matter if someone you want to marry is a virgin or not?

Ok guys chill out. I'm not saying anyone is wrong or right here.

We all have our own opinions and interpretations of the world, no one sees the world exactly the same way, we can all agree on that.

I'm just stating my personal prefrences and how I see things, these are my experiences, opinions, and preferences. I'm not saying anyone here has to agree with them or incoporate them into their own life, nor am I out to change your views.

Zina is haram and a major sin, all Muslims (men and women) should avoid it and repent for it if they've made that mistake, if you are a Muslim you can agree with me on that too.

I hope all of you here are able to find a spouse who respects and honors you!

re: Does it matter if someone you want to marry is a virgin or not?

Only you have the patience to give sucha logical answer not that it will have any affect. I honestly have nothing to say...I'm speechless after reading some of the views here. May Allah (SWT) guide all these men who think its okay for them to have ravaged with other women (with or without nikah) but a divorced/widowed woman isn't good enough.

PS. I don't think M was here meant your post.

re: Does it matter if someone you want to marry is a virgin or not?

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Men are so evil. Kill them off? Lol.

re: Does it matter if someone you want to marry is a virgin or not?

Did I say that? :konfused: or you just like assuming stuff. I said men who think THAT way.

PS. I am not saying zina should be allowed or that we should start accepting it from both men and women. Zina is haraam but a woman who is divorced/widowed should not be considered “impure.” Capisce?

re: Does it matter if someone you want to marry is a virgin or not?

Just kill CEO1 off anyway. You know you want to.

re: Does it matter if someone you want to marry is a virgin or not?

Essentially, doesn’t matter how much you put your point across some men will not listen. The best you can do is base it on a equal footing. Thus if a man has had pre-marital sex is no better or worse then a woman who has done the same. There is no need to prolong or extend such a basic point which is clear in our religion too. The only person your fooling is yourself if you argue with such people.

re: Does it matter if someone you want to marry is a virgin or not?

Killing is also haraam RV. Don’t be going around telling people to do haraam things :eek:

re: Does it matter if someone you want to marry is a virgin or not?

You'd miss me too much.

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Hence I just made a dua and I agree both are equally same. I suppose we hope that something we say can have a positive impact but at the end of the day only burning my own energy :p

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Exactly, all that energy you burned. You could have made me a sammich in that time....
....ahahahha...

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Khush fehmi. If that were the case, I wouldn’t bother suggesting it. :chai:

re: Does it matter if someone you want to marry is a virgin or not?

Yea, I made one and ate it.

re: Does it matter if someone you want to marry is a virgin or not?

Reverse psychology. I have you worked out, mate.

Well you failed then. :stuck_out_tongue:
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re: Does it matter if someone you want to marry is a virgin or not?

"Many" is probably a better word. But, saying "very few," I would disagree. Let's have more respect for our Muslim brothers, Insha'Allah.

Those who are virgins obviously don't flaunt around their "V-Cards." We mostly get to hear about those who have lost it.

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Ravaged? What era are you from? What the heck are they feeding you in Texas?

I am sure you're finding plenty of girls who have no problem with your views. But I have to say...it says a lot about the expectations they have from you AS WELL AS their own self-esteem.

They accept your past because they know they can't expect better from a person like you. Its actually pretty pathetic.

They feel they can't do better. Soooo...you basically marry a woman who has self-esteem issues.

And this is some sort of an accomplishment?

re: Does it matter if someone you want to marry is a virgin or not?

So basically what you're saying is that if a girl marries a guy who isn't a virgin she has self esteem issues, isn't that a really big assumption? Would you say the same for a guy who does that? I bet you wouldn't. What if your past behavior simply isn't that important to her?

Like I said in my discussions with girls over marriage, (most from America, one from Pakistan) ***not once did a girl ask me "So have you slept with anyone before", that question never came up. Ever.


I actually just brought it up myself and told them straight up, every single girl appreciated my honesty.

You'ALL (yes I'm a Texan) are just mad that us fellows can still marry good honest Muslim girls, but that when a gal sleeps around, her pickings become quite slim.

Like I said, we all have different ways in which we see and interpret the world, so I'm just sharing my opinions and preferences.

So chill out.

re: Does it matter if someone you want to marry is a virgin or not?

Edal…I’m not saying this with the intent to be mean…but it amuses me that your nick backwards is “lade” which makes me think of “laid.” :hinna: