I don't think that the Quran goes into enough detail of scientific mattes to have enough "facts" to refute.
So we are content with the theory that all of mankind - with their different races, skin colors, languages, etc - are all the ancestors of just 2 people? This is just one example of scripture defying scientific fact AND common sense. Or do you believe Adam and Even were created hundreds of thousands of years ago?
Quran is not a science book remember. It stated some facts, which science has not been able to disprove though it has proven many of them. I do not look in the Quran to study and understand sciences.
I don't see how it goes against scientific theories. According my own DNA analysis, I have ancestoral roots in Central Asia and the Balkans and those people look nothing like I do or anyone in my family. Truth is I don't know when Adam and Eve were created, all Quran states they were the first of our kind. This in no way opposes scientific research. Quran does not state if there were any forms of life before Adam and Eve which could have been closely human enough in form to be taken as the intermediate forms which the theory of evolution suggests. What depends is what inferences are drawn out of that theory. I am opposed to inferences which suggest that everything happened randomly and with no order.
What is it that defies common sense? Can two of a species not evolve into billions today? If that defies common sense that the theory of evolution with its roots into randomness occuring over millions of years is much more whimsical given there is no concrete evidence of the forms. The Darwinian theory masks everything as possible with the passage of time because it falls short on evidence of its propositions.
Quran is not a science book remember. It stated some facts, which science has not been able to disprove though it has proven many of them. I do not look in the Quran to study and understand sciences.
I don't see how it goes against scientific theories. According my own DNA analysis, I have ancestoral roots in Central Asia and the Balkans and those people look nothing like I do or anyone in my family. Truth is I don't know when Adam and Eve were created, all Quran states they were the first of our kind. This in no way opposes scientific research. Quran does not state if there were any forms of life before Adam and Eve which could have been closely human enough in form to be taken as the intermediate forms which the theory of evolution suggests. What depends is what inferences are drawn out of that theory. I am opposed to inferences which suggest that everything happened randomly and with no order.
That is exactly why people crave scripture and a God they can believe in - to have order in their life and beliefs when answers otherwise will most likely never be proven.
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What is it that defies common sense? Can two of a species not evolve into billions today? If that defies common sense that the theory of evolution with its roots into randomness occuring over millions of years is much more whimsical given there is no concrete evidence of the forms. The Darwinian theory masks everything as possible with the passage of time because it falls short on evidence of its propositions.
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Sure they can, and even be of different races, but that can take millions of years. Just as the mountain passes Allah made were actually created and changed over millions of years. People are of different races with physical traits that are as different night and day or black and white. Common sense tells me that the people of Iceland and the people of the Sudan developed separately over a long period of time, longer than most would admit the Quran talks about. I mean why go into the whole story of Adam and Eve and leave out the million years in between? Talk about random.
I find it strange that people who need no other "evidence" than a book (that many would call whimsical) shoot down the theory of evolution, even with all the research, data and proof that backs it up. There is irrefutable evidence and proof of evolution of life on earth. We can't say the same about scriptural stories.
That is exactly why people crave scripture and a God they can believe in - to have order in their life and beliefs when answers otherwise will most likely never be proven.
Sure they can, and even be of different races, but that can take millions of years. Just as the mountain passes Allah made were actually created and changed over millions of years. People are of different races with physical traits that are as different night and day or black and white. Common sense tells me that the people of Iceland and the people of the Sudan developed over many a long period of time, longer than most would admit the Quran talks about. I mean why go into the whole story of Adam and Eve and leave out a million years in between? Talk about random.
I find it strange that people who need no other "evidence" than a book (that many would call whimsical) shoot down the theory of evolution, even with all the research, data and proof that backs it up. There is irrefutable evidence and proof of evolution of life on earth. We can't say the same about scriptural stories.
I bet Charles Darwin would have had crap loads of fatwa's on him if he were alive today....the world has not changed much for some ppl since those days.
That is exactly why people crave scripture and a God they can believe in - to have order in their life and beliefs when answers otherwise will most likely never be proven.
Sure they can, and even be of different races, but that can take millions of years. Just as the mountain passes Allah made were actually created and changed over millions of years. People are of different races with physical traits that are as different night and day or black and white. Common sense tells me that the people of Iceland and the people of the Sudan developed separately over a long period of time, longer than most would admit the Quran talks about. I mean why go into the whole story of Adam and Eve and leave out the million years in between? Talk about random.
I find it strange that people who need no other "evidence" than a book (that many would call whimsical) shoot down the theory of evolution, even with all the research, data and proof that backs it up. There is irrefutable evidence and proof of evolution of life on earth. We can't say the same about scriptural stories.
Maybe having order in our lives is good thing.
Quran does not talk about how long it took the human race from Adam and Eve to develop in different races however it alludes to the fact that different races developed. So there is nothing to admit here. I never said we have to leave out millions of years or less or more. I reiterate Quran gives no timeframes or periods about the development or evolution of humans from Adam and Eve into different races as they exist today. It just states this was the starting point and thats it. All other assumptions are your own.
Oh! I am not shooting down the theory of evolution, I believe very much in evolution not just to the proportions that it proposes though. It may be very true what it states, but it lacks defining the process how it all occured. See human endeavors are bound in time whereas based on my faith Godly endeavors are not. So what humans may take millions of years to achieve takes God an instance in our time as the closest possible relative comparison.
Quran has nothing in it that would oppose the correct conclusions of evolution.
Nice............Now I get you..... you are a Hindu god fearing agnostic moving towards atheism on an islamic forum.
:Dno I still haven't figured out what i am but I am not moving towards atheism and I can never see myself being very religious, I've tried to be an atheist but I can't really get my self to be one.
:Dno I still haven't figured out what i am but I am not moving towards atheism and I can never see myself being very religious, I've tried to be an atheist but I can't really get my self to be one.
and what are you supposed to be?
and that's exactly how most normal people are. And I think that is just as it should be. Otherwise the extremists on all sides will have blown up this planet a long time ago.
What is more dangerous than dumb extremists? the clever extremists ofcourse
you know this is exactly what Sri Krishna was preaching about in the Gita. People had gotten into so much of rituals, religious practices, and dietific classifications for worship etc....Passion had taken over spiritual intelligence leading to failing duty.
God is a but a manifestation of man's imagination.
It's a term given to all of man's collective fear, apprehension, curiosity, incomprehension and perplexity.
It's a cause man commits to. or is made to commit to. A commitment that is more often than not, mechanical. Not thoughtful. Or really from the heart.
The universe is endless. Or maybe not. It is home to man, god, demon. Or maybe not. we know where we go once we're done here. or maybe not. we know why we came here in the first place. or maybe not. So if we don't know all of this, who does?
Of course it'd be comforting to know someone does. Someone has to, right? That's certainly what we'd like to believe, hey. God knows it. So I should be fine.
I think the beauty of not being tied down and blindfolded *by religion is the chance and scope it provides you to think. Of looking for evidence that leads to a certain direction. and then following it, if need be. Of being open minded enough to know that without evidence, there's no reason to believe. Of acknowledging that if God does exist, he/she/it must surely either laugh or weep at our foolishness in recognizing false divisions within people, all kinds of divisions, the creation of which, surely he/she/it *had nothing to do with.
.. i hope this discussion is going somewhere..