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INTELLIGENT DESIGN PROPONENT: An ID proponent rejects the theory of evolution and, more generally, the notion that natural law and chance alone can explain the diversity of life on earth. Instead, the ID proponent argues–often from statistics–that the diversity of life is the result of a purposeful scheme of some higher power (who may or may not be the God of the Bible).
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/evolution.htm**
amazing webpage, from an maerican university, please read it, very interesting!
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i do not believe blindly in statisctics, hence i do not believe blindly those people who are using numbers and statistics to fool people who have less mathematical knowledge than them…
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They're not statistics. They are patterns found all throughout nature, scientifically proving that there is a divine force directly responsible for these creations. Are you saying that the Euclid, the world-famous mathemetician, or Leanardo Da Vinci the great philosopher, or Leonardo Fibonacci, or any of these other people are "fooled" because they have "less mathematical knowledge? They are the patrons of intelligence, and they do believe in this theory, and you are saying that these people do not have much mathematical knowledge, given that they believe in this?
Also, if you do not "believe blindly in statistics", then what is it that causes you to believe in the theory of evolution. Is it not statistics and scientific reasoning that causes you to believe in that?
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Also, if you do not "believe blindly in statistics", then what is it that causes you to believe in the theory of evolution. Is it not statistics and scientific reasoning that causes you to believe in that?
ok dear, those great mathematicians you are referring too made good inventions but i doubt they used these to oppose evolution because that theory had not being formulated at their time:
here is what is evolution, read it carefully it is hard stuff:
what is science?
he scientific method holds as a matter of course that a*ll conclusions are tentative,* and that nothing can ever be absolutely proven to a certainty. Every conclusion reached by any scientist must always include, even if it is only assumed, the unspoken preface that "This is true only to the best of our current knowledge". Science does not deal with absolute truths; it deals with hypotheses, theories and models. The distinction between these is important in understanding and in countering creationist arguments, since the word "theory" also has a popular usage that is quite different from its scientific meaning (t**he vast majority of the US population--some studies have indicated as high as 95%--are in essence scientifically illiterate, and have only the vaguest grasp of modern scientific thinking, and the creationists always make a point of appealing to this popular ignorance).
what is evolution?
** Evolution is a change in the gene pool of a population over time. A gene is a hereditary unit that can be passed on unaltered for many generations. The gene pool is the set of all genes in a species or population.
Evolution can be divided into microevolution and macroevolution. Larger changes, such as when a new species is formed, are called macroevolution. Some biologists feel the mechanisms of macroevolution are different from those of microevolutionary change. Others think the distinction between the two is arbitrary -- macroevolution is cumulative microevolution.
Microevolution looks at changes within species over time--changes that may be preludes to speciation, the origin of new species. Macroevolution studies how taxonomic groups above the level of species change. Its evidence draws frequently from the fossil record and DNA comparisons to reconstruct how various organisms may be related.
Another characteristic of science is that it must be falsifiable. As we have seen, it is not possible to "prove" that any scientific model is absolutely true and correct. It is, however, quite possible to prove that any given scientific model is not correct--that is, it can be conclusively shown to be false.
The evolution model, for instance, could be falsified in any number of ways--a new species could be reliably observed to suddenly POOF! into existence from nowhere, for instance. On a more realistic level, the evolution model would be conclusively falsified if any of the three basics we pointed out earlier--variation, heritability or selection, were shown by experiment to be invalid (i.e., if some genetic mechanism were to be found which made it chemically impossible for mutations to occur in the DNA, or for any such mutations to be passed down from one generation to the next). The evolutionary model would also be falsified if the fossil remains of a fully modern human being or a flowering plant were to be reliably found in strata that have been dated to the Cambrian period of earth's history, or the Devonian, or the Permian, or if it were to be conclusively shown that all fossils found to date are elaborate fakes, planted by an international conspiracy of evolution scientists to impose secular humanism upon the earth. So far, however, no evidence has been reliably presented, by the creationists or by anyone else, which falsifies the evolution model. Every experiment that has been performed and every bit of data which has been collected has tended to confirm its validity.
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wow, so much pink my eyes hurt,
If I say anything I will be condemned. So here it goes, think out of the box people. you are stuck in a box where you only see 4 walls hence your idea's are limited to those 4 walls, there is a world outside that box, you might not agree with it but it is there, once outside do try to see it and explore it with an open mind, forget what you read on the walls of your box, cause when you crawl back in that box you can read it again,
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can we get our cafe back, mods please lock this thred or ban the pinkoooo and the french girl out of this thred.
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:(i'm trying to teach some stuff to phatima1...i like that girl you know...and i wanna open the box
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do it in another forum, 
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she is the mod, she has the power to clean cafe from serious topics:rolleyes:not me!
and cafe is dead 
at least something is going on , on that thread! 
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…and once again, I am telling you to stop insulting me. It is alright for you to disagree and argue, but when you begin to insult me by saying that those who believe in this are “blind”, it begins to get pathetic.
I argue to learn more about opposing views. I DO NOT argue to be criticized by people. I have in no way said anything to you about your intelligence being limited and such. I have only argued against what you believe, and you may do so in return. If you can not continue to argue over this topic without insulting me or indirectly calling me “blind” or having “less mathematical knowledge”, than it just comes to show that your argument has weakened.
Also, please justify why you think that those who believe in the pattern of the Golden Ratio or Intelligent Design controversy have “less mathemetical knowledge” and are “blind”. How can you say this when you yourself just stated that you had to go research on this topic at this moment? (Parissenoor - “lemme do some more reasearch about golden number and i will answer more precisely:blush:”)
Are you saying that by reading over a theory for just a matter of minutes, you have more knowledge on the subject, and can supremely label those who believe in it to be “blind”?
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Paris, if I needed an essay on what science or evolution was, I would have made a point to read up on it before I began to prove my argument in this thread.
And so...standing up for Islam, and even giving proof of their being a supernatural force suddenly shows that I only think within the box? Had I limited my thinking, I would not even bother to argue with you people. Also, you need to realize that I do not just accept Islam because of my parents, I do it because it can be justified to be an authentic religion. I have taken atheism into consideration, so do not just make huge assumptions that I do not think outside of the box. I have taken various beliefs into consideration, yet Islam is the only one that I have seen to be fully justified.
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*Thread moved from Cafe, as discussion is moving forth from not just our opinions, but a supporting argument as well. *
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This is, and I say this without any hint of sarcasm or irony, one of the most sane and intelligent posts I have read in a very very long time.
Excuse me for butting in here - but Phatti you *are *lesser equipped to answer such questions merely by the limitations of your experiance. You cannot speak for the entirity of the muslim ummah when you claim that your interpretaion of our religion is the right one. Your scientific knowlegde and mathematic knowledge both are indeed lesser in depth and in substance than many of the muslims who disagree with you - including both parissenoor and myself. Intelligence is a subjective argument.
Islam and science are not mutually exclusive, it is also very presumptuous to assume that it is your devine right to tell poeple how your islam is better. This arrogance is somthing that time will weather away.
Im not going to argue with you Phatty - so don’t assume that this is the beginning of a ten acre circular debate. Like I said, been there - done that. Got the T-shirts and am happy with my faith. Inshallah you will reach that stage too.
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Regarding whether great scholars of the past agreed with the Golden Ratio pattern (and, to some extent, the Intelligent Design controversy) can not just be rejected simply because you "dont THINK" they supported it.
I have proof that Euclid, Leonardo Da Vinci, Leonardo Finbonacci and many other great minds DID agree with the Golden Ratio.
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Euclid, founder of Eudclidean geometry stated the following "A straight line is said to have been cut in extreme and mean ratio when, as the whole line is to the greater segment, so is the greater to the lesser."
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Thus, it is evident that Euclid supports the Golden Ratio patterns in nature, as the quote above is an explanation of the Divine Proportion (golden ratio) itself.
Leonardo Da Vinci's drawings of the human body all indicate patterns of the Golden Ratio in the structure of our bodies. You may look at his own drawings if you do not believe me. The book, "The Da Vince Code", touches upon Da Vinci's awareness of the Golden Ratio all throughout nature. Da Vinci was, in fact, a firm believer of the Divine Proportion, as can be seen throughout his work.
12th century Frenchman Leonardo Fibonacci founded the Fibonacci sequence. When a number in the Fibonacci sequence is divided by the previous number, it is approximately equal to "phi", which is the number that the Golden Ratio is based upon.
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In 1509 Luca Picioli published "Divina Proportione", which explored not only the mathematics of the golden ratio, but also its use in architectural design...
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As you can see, your assumption was completely wrong. Many great minds of the past centuries thoroughly agree with, and even prove, the Golden Ratio throughout nature.
So, with the infinate instances of the Divine Proportion in mind, this brings upon the idea that the human body did not just "naturally evolve" from another animal. It is evident that there is a divine force, which has created the "Intelligent Design" (hence, the whole Intelligent Design controversy) of the human body.
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Excuse me for butting in here - but Phatti you are *lesser equipped to answer such questions merely by the limitations of your experiance. You cannot speak for the entirity of the muslim ummah when you claim that **your* interpretaion of our religion is the right one. Your scientific knowlegde and mathematic knowledge both are indeed lesser in depth and in substance than many of the muslims who disagree with you - including both parissenoor and myself. Intelligence is a subjective argument.
Islam and science are not mutually exclusive, it is also very presumptuous to assume that it is your devine right to tell poeple how your islam is better. This arrogance is somthing that time will weather away.
Im not going to argue with you Phatty - so don't assume that this is the beginning of a ten acre circular debate. Like I said, been there - done that. Got the T-shirts and am happy with my faith. Inshallah you will reach that stage too.
When did I state that my "interpretation" of Islam is undoubtedly true?
I simply gave examples from the Quran, and argued against the theory of evolution. If you think that Islam supports the theory of evolution, then be my guest. I am only supporting my belief. If man had evolved from an animal, then I BELIEVE Allah(swt) would have more than likely stated that in the Quran when He explained the creation of man. It's not just some small little detail that did not need mentioning.
You are right, my experience is limited, however that does not mean that I can not argue and support what I believe to be true.
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I simply gave examples from the Quran, and argued against the theory of evolution. If you think that Islam supports the theory of evolution, then be my guest. I am only supporting my belief. If man had evolved from an animal, then I BELIEVE Allah(swt) would have more than likely stated that in the Quran when He explained the creation of man. It's not just some small little detail that did not need mentioning.
You are right, my experience is limited, however that does not mean that I can not argue and support what I believe to be true.
This is so futile.
If "be my guest" was really your attitude then you would not have seen any sense in arguing your case at all.
You can argue what you wish, but I hope you see that it results in increased defensiveness and closemindedness. It is very rare for poeple to debate for the sake of enlightenment. In the end, what does it matter? Not an iota at all.
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If I was closeminded, then I would not have been questioning other people's views. I would simply state what I believe in and then leave. I debate to learn, yes.
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Nowhere did I presume to state that you were closeminded. However closeminded poeple often question other poeples views. To try and reinforce their own. As a disclaimer this is no reflection on you - simply a correction of the above.
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you took me wrong once again i did not insult you…i believe both of us do not hold mathematic phd am i wrong??
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I’m still waiting for that missing link skeleton which PHd and Master Degree holders are failing to provide.
My religion, does provide.
The logic of a 10 year I see.
