Do we need Shoaib Actor?/ Not a certainty for the Indian tour.

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This is what you think naa. He doesn’t play half of the matches anyways. And among those other half matches that he plays, he gives 50%. So his actual participation is 25% anyways.

With Shabbir and Umer back and Rana more controlled with his extras that he gives away, we will have a decent bowling attack. All we need is Wasim Akram as bowling coach for atleast one year so he can give the secrets of the trade to these guys. They will shine inshallah and will work hard to retain their places in the team, unlike Actor who takes everything for granted and is assure of his place regardless of his reckless performances and unbareable attitude.

I hope Rashid Latif’s academy will produce another pacer once those 16 bouncey pitches are ready and when he invites fasties from all parts of Pakistan. We definetely will find another geniune fasty :k: My hopes are based on our natural talent in fast bowling. All we need is grooming of the raw talent we have to lift their game and fitness to international levels. Untill then we can live with medium pacers with brains.

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:hehe: I wonder what will be the worst attitude game bhai !

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*Aray bhai, it’s better than Inzamam’s attitude of sleeping on the field even when leading the team. Really. Just because he swears at a batsman every now and then, doesn’t mean there is anything wrong with his attitude on the field. Off the field, I don’t know, it’s his life. But if he goes out to night clubs the day before a match, then I don’t have much respect for that sort of activity either. I am pretty sure he didn’t do anything like that before a game though :k:. *

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shoaib is an idiot .. it's time to move on without him.

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read the BS is giving before going home, Waqar gave a very strong statement today on his comments, and said that he is no more a match winning bolwer, only show bolwer…

‘I had no support’
By Robert Craddock
January 25, 2005

FAST bowler Shoaib Akhtar, who flies home to Pakistan today, has admitted for the first time he felt the pressure of being outnumbered and unsupported throughout the summer.

**“I think people have got to give me credit,” **:rotfl: **said Shoaib who has been sent home by management due to a hamstring tear. **

**“It was just me up against seven batsmen who are all capable of scoring 200 each. It was very tough. There wasn’t much support for me.” **

**Shoaib admitted he was still having nightmares about confronting the broad blade of Justin Langer who had a bumper Test series (390 runs at 65). **

**“You know how Justin said before the start of the tour he had nightmares about me, well, after bowling to him I can say I now have nightmares about him. He is easily Australia’s toughest batsman. He is unbelievably determined. Damien Martyn is underrated and much improved but Langer is the best.” **

**Flashy showman Shoaib never really lived up to the potential displayed in his first innings of the tour when he took 5-99 against Australia in Perth. **

**At his occasionally-seen best he was a handful for all batsmen and while his series rewards of 11 wickets at 30 were a major improvement on his previous tour four years ago, a string of minor injuries ruptured his momentum. **

**“It is hard trying to bowl at 155km/h all the time. You do get niggles. It’s like driving a Ferrari. After every few laps you have to get it serviced. I came here with a slight hamstring problem and it got worse after the first two Tests.” **

**Shoaib has been sent home to ensure his hamstring is repaired in time for next month’s tour of India. He is disappointed to be leaving. **

Throughout the tour Shoaib seemed to fall out with coach Bob Woolmer who wanted a more disciplined approach from the fast bowler who attacks off-field life as if he only has a month to live.

**Fast bowlers can disappear as quickly as they rise in Pakistan though Shoaib, 29, who once tipped he could be burnt out by 30, now would like to play on for another six years. **

**“I still think I can play another two World Cups. I will definitely reach the next one in the West Indies in 2007 and then I will cut down my run-up.” **

**PAKISTANI cricket chiefs have closed their investigation into claims that one of their players raped a woman in Australia after finding no proof, an official said yesterday. **

“The chapter is closed as far as the Pakistan Cricket Board [PCB] is concerned after we found no evidence of any such incident,” PCB spokesman Abbas Zaidi said.

**The Daily Telegraph **

http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,12042831-23212,00.html

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^ Shoaib is undermining Kaneria's efforts. Not good!

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I see two distinct groups:
(1) Shoaib is great. He is the best amongst available, he is ....
(2) Shoaib is useless. He is unfit most of the times, he is.....

What I believe is that Shoaib should NOT be an automatic selection. His selection should be based on merit. If he is performing, he should be retained and when he is not performing he should be dropped. Also when he becomes unfit in a match, he should be dropped/"rested" for the next few matches and should only be re-included in the side if his replacements are not performing any better than him.

We don't have to waste our energies in proving that he is the best or worst. Performance should speak for itself.

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There arent two groups. I believe that Shoaib is best bowler we can offer right now but he is not great by any means and If his continuous injuries cause disruptions in our plans then we should keep him out of the team for a while and then try to live life without him. This way his continuous injuries wont hurt team this much. If he is fit, good enough, if he is not, we should be able to cope.

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To some extent I agree with WD that when he is not performing he should be dumped (never done so far), when injured he should be rested (done quite a few times). He should be shown the door to play and prove himself in domestic cricket for 6 months when not performing. But I really think PCB won't dump him, they don't have what it takes to dump him.

Per article above, Shoaib said:
"It is hard trying to bowl at 155km/h all the time. You do get niggles. It's like driving a Ferrari. After every few laps you have to get it serviced. I came here with a slight hamstring problem and it got worse after the first two Tests."

"I still think I can play another two World Cups. I will definitely reach the next one in the West Indies in 2007 and then I will cut down my run-up."

He really is an idiot. Why is he so thick headed? Why not do it now when runup is hurting him so much?

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I will EXCUSE you this time out for your childish remarks. Next time I’ll kick your butt
all the way back to where you belong.
This is a discussion forum - Form your opinions and justify them in a decent manner, and then patiently read what others are saying. OK meray Pappu Uncle? :hoonh:

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for at least TEN years…

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how about cutting the run up now so u can last a few spells matey :rolleyes:] i’d gve anything 4 waq’ and was’ to be 21 again. :(]

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If two five wicket hauls in two test matches against the toughest test opposition in the world isn’t merit, then I don’t know what is.

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Give Shoaib the captaincy

I'd say give the showman the captaincy and thus throw him into the deep end. That i feel would be the make or break of Shoaib Akhter the cricketer.. In some big time football clubs in England, I have seen managers give this responsility to their problematic but talented players ( e.g Keane of Man. Utd & Viera of arsenal). Captaincy & that extra burden of responsibility have knocked some sense into such players..I feel that the showman does'nt like being pushed around or told what to do..so give him the charge of the players & lets see how he responds.

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doc2000 yours the best sensible comment I have seen on this forum so far and I'm all for it.
But! In Pakistan they don't think on those lines,,,they rather have an orthodox system
Of selection, trial and error system, but never an 'Experiment'

They obviously do the selection on domestic performance, statistics and talent, then why
Most of these selections 'Fail' to perform at the vital moments? And the rejects get wasted and tossed around playing only departmental cricket "In-wait" until completely wasted.

Shoiab has the talent plus a show-off charisma,,,give him the job,, lets try it,,:D

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there is one problem making Shoaib a captain.... there'd be no discipline, team will go only in one direction... down the hill that is.

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This is analogous to what was done in good old days to fix such a problem. The irresonsible, awara, jobless, and good for nothing guy was married to a poor girl on the hope that the burden of wife, kids, and household will induce some sense of responsibility in the guy. Don’t really know if the trick worked.

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Captain1, i'd beg to differ that the team would become ill disciplined under capt show-off..Shoaib has made comments about this team mates after a few series ( including the last world cup & the current down under series) saying that he has been left with all the burden of whipping & cleaning off the opposition line up( though i agree that that he's right, but he should'nt be speaking about his team mates in public)..If that is the case, then maybe , if being a capt, he could motivate his players( something i believe that though Inzi is great players, he's unable to do), & guide them..but like i said, this step would be the make or break of him..At the moment, his contribution is coming in bits & pieces & i fear that in the coming years, he maybe in the team just for being very fast bowler & thus may become liability ..a drastic step needs to be taken with him cos love him or loathe him, the guy does have talent..woolmer has used Shahid afridi effectively ( he was beginning to become a wasted talent)..same now needs to be done with our self confessed "Boeing 747".

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How do we know that without trying?
This is what we are discussing. **Set a thieve to catch a thieve **
That’s the whole idea. :elmo:
Pakistan Selection board has failed miserably at a time when the talents were
Not fore coming and an improvisation was needed. What did they do?
They screwed up the ‘Balance’ further into a spiral. :mad::k:

Shoaib could bring an overall ‘Animal’ instinct needed to deliver a winning punch.
Give this a guy a break and some space. Back off Paki fans :2guns:
Or he might fail miserably and could make an early ‘face saving’ exit. :rolleyes:

Ps; We did this with Wasim, Waqar, and even Imran Khan and last but not least with Sarfraz Khan, who had his exit ‘Trophy Rani’ :clown:
But they all did what they did. Paki fans have such a short memory some times. :devil:

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^ When Inzi was made captain, I said he is not captain material… cuz I just knew it :snooty: and now everyone knows it. Sometime you have to read character of a person to know what he can do and what he cannot. May be when we visit Bengladesh or Zimbabwe we can try making him captain for that particular series to see what happens.