Re: do traditional professional girls still exist?
The thing is…its a weird combination, let me try explaininng to the best of my ability…
Dubai is split physically in 2 parts (new and old Dubai) and so are its people and their lifestyles. Up until not so long ago there was no new Dubai, the firangis hadn’t come, there was one bar on a deserted road (about which I even found out recently when it was being dimolisged) basically ur & mine generation (who happen to be at a marriageable age now) grew up with very middle class values & routine. There was no exposure to the western world, we had one TV channel called ch.33 (a local channel with news & cartoons) literally for an average kid growing up in the 90s we had no exposure and I truly believe parents that move out of Pakistan hold on to their values more dearly then the ones in Pakistan themselves.
I remember telling one of my friends in school that I have a crush on a boy and she asked me what is crush (I was a little advanced for my age cuz I did have some western exposure by that time from one of my US return relatives/neighbour who became my bestie at that time and introduced me to nancy drew, comics n all hahaha)
Anyways the word spread in my class and I was boycotted and had to change my school. Can you imagine? Thankfully my other school was a blessing in my life. Anyways..
Obviously growing up every girl had crushes & all but not many dated. Lack of guts or fear of parents I dont know but they just didn’t plus school was quite strict.
By the time the western changes started happening in the city we all were in university and the uni life here is all about studies, if u dont study u lose ur scholarship and a middle class girl studying in uni with student aid can’t afford to risk her GPA and this is how most guys were friendzoned automatically.
Now the current situation is such that they live in old Dubai with family & work in new Dubai with firangis. Firangis take smoke break & they take namaz break, firangis go for drinks after work & some go but Dont drink while others respectfully decline the offer, firnagis wear dresses at work & these girls wear dresses with stockings and all. The things about Dubai is everyone happily accepts each others differences, very few want to become like each other. They like that they are who they are yet friends/ neighbors of/ colleagues people that come from different backgrounds
That being said of course there are exceptions of lame ass fools who swing the other way but the above is what my 27yrs of experience has taught me in Dubai.
Re: do traditional professional girls still exist?
What does tbh mean..sorry not part of the social media/lame hash tag generation..feel old (facebook came out when I was in college lol)
I defined liberal on the 1st page of this thread in one of my posts. Basically a culturally liberal girl is one who freely mingles with the opposite sex without any regard (it’s okay and normal to have a few platonic friends of opposite sex, not talking about that..im talking about girls who actively seek it out and chit chat with any and every guy lol), is hugging them or sitting on their laps or posting pics with them all over facebook/twitter/instagram, who smoke or do hookah, drink socially, wear tight or revealing clothes whether Pakistani clothes or Westernized clothes, hook up or fool around with guys, go out clubbing, being out late at night with friends including opposite sex, wearing bikinis or swim suits in public, etc. May not include every singlr characteristic but we have all seen such Pakistani girls who have 1-2 if not all of these characteristics. I wont be able to marry such a girl, her mindset and values will clash with my more image conscious more private exclusive nature. Basically what’s considered “normal” for White girls in US/UK but not necessarily okay for traditional Pakistani culture/Muslim religion. If the girl has to constantly hide aspects of her lifestyle from her parents or rest of the Pakistani community likely the girl is liberal lol.
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I only know about a minority of girls who are somewhat exactly as you characterized in your culturally liberal girls post. Tbh, it depends on what their family lifestyle, and values are like.
Re: do traditional professional girls still exist?
I’m curious why some Pakistani girls have become so liberal? The vices I mentioned above are considered immoral even in the most liberal societies so why did we adopt them. Is it upbringing? Friends? Evironment? Parents giving too much freedom? Parents being too strict? Daddy issues? Maternal pressure and being put down by mother? Our society and culture emphasizing superificial things like looks, skin color, fashion, partying and having fun, money, and materialistic stuff instead of education and values? Is it because its easy to do these things these days with phones/internet/texting/skyping? All of the above? Just curious as a future parent, I’d like to have a daughter. What works? What doesnt work?
Guys rebel but in different ways..why do girls when they undergo their rebellious stage..they often use sex and sexuality as their form of rebellion? Do they think its empowering, makes them feel wanted and validated or is getting attention from guys really that important to them lol? I do think most girls get over it after experiencing it and getting used by a guy (this is what I call the hijab stage for some girls after they’ve done some messed up stuff they start wearing hijab as a PR move or become religious after realizing their mistakes and sins)
Don’t get me wrong, I’ve done wrong also, we all have, and guys are much much much worse in general. I have a good understanding of that as a guy..just trying to gain an understanding from the girls side so please don’t make this into a sexist issue, I’m genuinely curious about what goes through a girls mind
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For the 1st Para: Complex. Desis just can’t deny the fact that fairangis ruled them. If gora jumps in a well, desis will start doing that too cuz its COOOLLL!
For the 2nd para: This is the only way they can zaleeofy & baisofy their men.
For 3rd para: Good that you playing all neutral else some chicks would have bombarded this thread woth posts by now.
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This is exactly what non-muslims say, specially hindus. They want to relegate religion to a certain aspect of their lives…just rituals ..for the rest..its a free ride.. not saying muslims are not that way…but muslims at least acknowledge that is it not allowed
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Hahah what are you talking about…religion and culture are intertwined but they are separate things. Being Muslim is not a culture. African Muslims are not culturally the same as Turkish Muslims who are culturally not the same as Arab Muslims who are not culturally similar to Iranian Muslims who are not culturally similar to Indo-Pak Muslims who are not culturally similar to East Asian Muslims. Each of them have their own culture despite having the same religion. And even within cultures people have certain values that they emphasize.
You are making yourself look like a fool for questioning my religion repeatedly and now bringing it into this thread as well. You do realize it’s a sin for you to judge my religion and keep calling me non-muslim?
I have attended and taught Islamic studies at masjid for years, read all major religious texts and have studied the history of religions. In the other thread I was taking a historical perspective and providing historical context. As a Muslim layman I’m pretty educated in Islam and other religions including their history so feel free to debate in a civil manner whenever you are up for it. Lets bring the religion topic back to the religion forum. This thread was more about values and traditional views that were once stressed by our Pakistani culture that are now being neglected in favor for more westernized values and mindsets.
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I think it’s a multi-faceted issue. It can be due to one or more of the factors you’ve listed above and technology has not only made it easier to access various ills, I think it has also increased peer pressure to conform to them. But maybe at the very root of all these factors is deen/sunnat se doori. Materialism and a hedonistic mindset is reflective of deen se doori…no? Same with poor parenting…where as opposed to gently explaining and modeling the importance of hayaa for kids…it’s done in a more aggressive way. This can result in kids failing to internalize lessons and when they’re only following something because of coercion, they will lack the confidence to stand up to peer pressure. Maybe parenting is not in accordance with Islam…as in it lacks consistency/middle-ground/gentleness. Muslims across the globe belong to different cultures and the culture in one predominantly Muslim country may be more liberal than in another country…but the common ground is the religion so all muslims know that they’re supposed to speak and dress and act modestly. It depends on which is given more priority…society or deen. So, don’t u think k that straying away from sunnat is perhaps the root cause behind the factors?
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Ok, I am getting annoyed by your usage of the term ‘liberal’. You are making it seem like a bad thing. What you are describing is rebellion and social deviance - not liberalism. Being socially liberal has nothing to do with drinking, smoking, or bieng promiscuous. Know the difference. Carry on.
